5/10: Burrillville Town Councilman Donald Fox talks 2nd amendment sanctuary resolution on State of M
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5/10: Burrillville Town Councilman Donald Fox talks 2nd amendment sanctuary resolution on State of M


DAN: TH WESTERN RHODE ISLAND CONTINUES. ♪ DAN: IT FEELS LIKE ONLY YESTERDAY THAT THE RESOLUTION WAS PASSED TRYING TO MAKE A POINT ABOUT SECOND AMENDMENT RIGHTS. I THINK A PSYCHOLOGICAL POINT ABOUT THIS ENFRANCHISEMENT ABOUT THE STATE OF RHODE ISLAND. THIS. SINCE THEN, OTHER TOWNS. YOU KNOW THE ROUTINE. ON FRIDAY NIGHTS WE DISCLAIM THE WE RECORDED THIS ON THURSDAY AFTERNOON. THAT IS GOOD BECAUSE WE CAN DIG IN WITHOUT PAYING A LOT OF ATTENTION TO THE DAILY EVENTS BECAUSE THEY WOULD BE OBSOLETE. MOST LIKELY, FOSTER HAS DONE THAT WHICH THE PREVIOUS THREE TOWNS HAVE DONE AND RICHMOND IS TEED UP. GLOUCESTER IS SOON TO FOLLOW. I HAVE BEEN OUTSPOKEN ON THIS. I AM REALLY PLEASED THAT TONIGHT WE HAVE THE ELECTED OFFICIAL WHO BEGAN THIS MOMENTUM TO TALK TO US ABOUT THIS. WE WILL GET INTO IT THIS EVENING. HERE IS A HEADLINE THAT WE POSTED FOR THURSDAY AFTERNOON REACTING TO WEDNESDAY NIGHTS NEWS. HERE IS THE STORY FROM IT. ANOTHER TOWN IN RHODE ISLAND DECLARING ITSELF A SECOND AMENDMENT SANCTUARY CITY. THE TOWN OF WEST GREENWICH IS THE LATEST TO DO SO. THEY HAVE A RIGHT TO LIVE HERE AND NOT HAVE SOMEONE CRAWLING DOWN THEIR THROAT. THIS STATUS MEANS THE RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS WON’T BE INFRINGED IN THEIR TOWN REGARDLESS OF WHAT BILLS STATE LAWMAKERS PASSED THE SESSION. ONE COUNCILMEMBER ARGUED THAT THE TOWN IS BOUND TO UPHOLD THE LAW. WE ARE A CIVIL SOCIETY. THE LAW IS WHAT THE LAW IS AND IF YOU WANT TO CHANGE IT, YOU CHANGE THE PEOPLE AT THE STATEHOUSE. A STATEMENT FROM THE GOVERNOR SAYS THAT SECEDING FROM STATE LAW IS NOT AN APPROPRIATE RESPONSE. A SENATOR IS LEADING THE CHARGE. WE NEED TO TAKE A STAND. SHE HAS ASKED TOWNS IN HER DISTRICT TO DECLARE THEMSELVES SECOND AMENDMENT SANCTUARY COMMUNITIES. TO PUSH FOR STRUCK — STRICTER TWO OTHER TOWNS ARE CONSIDERING THE DECLARON DURING MEETINGS NEXT WEEK. YOU ARE NOT EVEN FROM THIS TOWN AND YOU CAME HERE. THAT IS HOW IMPORTANT THIS ISSUE IS. DAN: THERE IS NO DOUBT THERE’S A PARADE GOING ON. “CONVERSATION. THE RADIO. NOW HE HAS OUT DRESSED ME TONIGHT. IT IS GOOD TO SEE YOU. ONCE UPON A TIME, YOU TOSSED THIS REGULATION AND IT PASSED UNANIMOUSLY. WHAT’S GOING ON? QU DAN: AS A SECOND AMENDMENT SUPPORTER, I HAVE GROWN TIRED GOING TO PROVIDENCE TO FIGHT FOR OUR CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS. I BROUGHT A COPY OF THE GUN LEGISLATION. THESE ARE BILLS THAT WOULD INFRINGE ON OUR CONSTITUTIONAL SECONDARILY BUT TIED IN JUST AS MUCH, I AM A TOWN COUNCILMAN AND I WRESTLE WITH THE BUDGETS EVERY YEAR. UNFUNDED MANDATES ARE A BIG AS I WRESTLE WITH THIS THIS BUDGET SEASON, THIS GUN SEASON, IT CAME TOGETHER IN MY HEAD AND I STARTED DOING RESEARCH AND LOOKING AROUND ON THE INTERNET. I STARTED STUDYING WHAT OTHER COUNTIES HAVE DONE. HAT WAS IN REACTION TO THE RED FLAG LAWS. IT CAME TOGETHER IN MY HEAD AND I WROTE THE RESOLUTION. DAN: IS THE RED FLAG LAW PROBLEMATIC? DON: NO. THERE ARE ELEMENTS OF THE RED FLAG LAWS THAT RELATE TO SEARCH AND SEIZURE. THAT IS THE CONCERN THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE. AS FAR AS THE COMMENTARY THAT HAS BEEN MADE IN THE PRESS ABOUT POLICE HAVING DISCRETION, THAT IS WHERE WE LOOK AT IT. THEY USE THE RED FLAG LAW EFFECTIVELY TO REMOVE FIREARMS FROM HOMES WHERE IT IS DETERMINED THAT THEY SHOULD BE BROUGHT OUT. DAN: THE RED FLAG LAW — IF YOU LEARNED BY A FACEBOOK POST OR A RUMOR ON THE STREET OR SOMEONE SAYS SOMETHING ABOUT SOMEBODY’S BEHAVIOR, LAW ENFORCEMENT HAS THE RIGHT AND OPPORTUNITY TO INVESTIGATE AND MAKE A DETERMINATION AS TO WHETHER THAT PERSON IS DANGEROUS. IF THEY DO HAVE FIREARMS, THEY CAN INTERVENE. IT WAS ONE OF THOSE THINGS WHERE OVER THE FLORIDA SHOOTING, I AM THINKING WAIT A SECOND. REPORTEDLY IN MOST OF THESE, THIS IS THE THING THAT IS IMPORTANT. COMMON GROUND BECOMES PRETTY EASY ON SCHOOL SHOOTINGS. YOU ARE NOT ADVOCATING FOR GUN VIOLENCE. YOU ARE ADVOCATING FOR GUN OWNERSHIP RIGHTS. THERE CAN BE DISAGREEMENTS ABOUT PROCESS AND HOW YOU’RE GOING ABOUT IT BUT NOBODY HAS A THOUGHT THAT PROTECTING NUTS. RED FLAG — WE BRAINSTORMED IT. I HAD A CONVERSATION WITH THE ATTORNEY GENERAL ABOUT IT. THE POLICE ASSOCIATION SAID WE ARE GOING TO ACT ON THIS. THE GOVERNOR TRYING TO STEAL THE SHOW WITH AN EXECUTIVE ORDER PRELIMINARY TO A BILL THAT WAS PASSED AND I AM GLAD THA SEE THAT AS REASONABLE. EVEN EARLY ON, THERE WERE SECOND AMENDMENT RIGHTS ACTIVISTS WHO SAID THAT WAS A PROBLEM. DON: THERE ARE EXTREMES ON BOTH SIDES. DAN: THERE ARE NUANCES TO THE RESOLUTION THAT YOU PASSED. BECAUSE OF YOUR COUNCILMAN RESPONSIBILITY AND YOUR ACUMEN AS A BUSINESS OWNER, YOUR MIND IS WORKING ON THE CONCEPT OF UNFUNDED MANDATES WHICH IS AS SIMPLE AS THE GOVERNMENT SAYS YOU HAVE TO DO SOMETHING BUT DOESN’T GIVE YOU THE RESOURCES. DON: IF CONFISCATION LEGISLATION IS PASSED, AND ASSAULT RIFLE. NOW THAT LAW WOULD CHARGE LOCAL POLICE DEPARTMENTS WITH NOT ONLY MANNING THEMSELVES TO GO OUT AND COLLECT THEM, BUT TO CATALOG THEM AND STORE THEM AND DISPOSE OF THEM. IN OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT WE HAVE A ROOM TO STORE WEAPONS THAT WERE TAKEN FOR VARIOUS REASONS. THAT ROOM IS ALREADY FULL AND OVERFLOWING. IF THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY WERE TO PASS CONFISCATION LAWS, WHAT WE ARE SAYING IS THAT IF YOU PASS THAT LAW, YOU BETTER FIND IT. — FUND IT. THAT WILL PERHAPS RESULT IN A LEGAL BATTLE DOWN THE LINE. WE ARE NOT GOING TO FUND WHAT WE DEEM TO BE THE UNCONSTITUTIONAL LEGISLATION COMING FROM THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY. IF THEY WANT TO PASS IT, FUND IT. DAN: THIS IS INTERESTING. OVER THE COURSE OF YOUR TENURE, YOU PROBABLY HAVE SEEN MANY ITEMS COME DOWN . A MANDATE FROM THE STATE WITH NO MONEY. DON: THE DIFFERENCE IS, ARE THE MANDATES UNCONSTITUTIONAL? OUR RESOLUTION SAYS WE DEEM SUCH LEGISLATION AS UNCONSTITUTIONAL. IF YOU WANT TO PASS IT, FUND IT. DAN: THOUGHTFUL. I WILL TIE YOU THIS. I DISAGREE AND WE WILL TALK ABOUT THAT COMING UP. DID YOU NOT FEEL THAT IT WAS IMPORTANT TO CHECK WITH THE CONSTITUENCY BUT ALSO THE CHIEF LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER AS TO HOW WE FELT ABOUT THIS FOR THE TOWN? BELIEVE IT OR NOT, NO. HE REPORTS TO THE TOWN MANAGER. HE KNEW IT WAS COMING UP ON THE AGENDA. THE TOWN MANAGER THOUGHT THAT HE SHOULD HAVE BEEN INVOLVED, HE WOULD HAVE DONE THAT. RECORD? IT IS IMMATERIAL. IT IS WHO WE REP AND WHAT WOULD WANT TO DO AS ELECTED OFFICIALS. DAN: THAT WAS A SPECIAL CONVERSATION WITH THE TOWN COUNCIERDAY. VERY HONEST ANSWERS THAT INFURIATED ME. THE POLICE CHIEF IN THIS TOWN WAS NOT EVEN CONSULTED. TO YOUR CREDIT, YOU TOLD ME YOU DID CONSULT YOUR CHIEF. HIS ADVICE TO YOU UNDER RESOLUTION TO NAME THE TOWN AS A SANCTUARY — SECOND AMENDMENT SANCTUARY TOWN, HIS ANSWER TO YOU WAS WHAT? DON: I DRAFTED THE RESOLUTION. I PUT IT BEFORE OUR SOLICITOR AND THE CHIEF OF POLICE. THE CHIEF OF POLICE IS NOT A POLITICIAN. HE IS NOT ELECTED. HE MADE IT CLEAR THAT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT WILL FOLLOW THE LAW. THAT IS WHAT WE SUPPORT. EVEN IN OUR RESOLUTION. WE ISSUED A STATEMENT LAST NIGHT AT OUR COUNCIL MEETING. DAN: GIVE ME A CLARIFICATION. IT IS IMPORTANT FOR YOU TO TALK ABOUT THAT. MY CONCERN IS THAT THERE IS A MOMENT IF CONFISCATION BECOMES A STATE LAW. I’M NOT SURE IT IS GOING TO. DON: WE DON’T WANT TO SEE ANY CONFISCATION. DAN: THERE IS A PRE-PART TO THE LEGISLATION THAT MADE IT TO THE PLAYING FIELD THIS YEAR. REDEFINING WHAT GUNS YOU CAN HAVE AND THIS NOTION THAT YOU COULDN’T BE WITHIN A HUNDRED YARDS OF A SCHOOL. OR CONCEALED CARRY WHICH I THOUGHT WAS CRAZY. THE SUPERINTENDENT AND I DISAGREE. THE ATTORNEY GENERAL AND I DISAG DON: SO WE AGREE. DAN: ON THAT ONE. I THOUGHT IT WAS TOO FAR OF A REACH. I THOUGHT THE GOVERNOR WAS COVERING FOR ANOTHER EXECUTIVE ORDER TYPE MOVE SHE MADE WHICH WAS RIDICULOUS. HAVING SAID THAT, IF A LAW GETS PAST, MANDATE YOUR CHIEF TO DO SOMETHING AND YOU SAY I’M NOT FUNDING THAT, HE STILL HAS TO DO IT. THIS IS WHAT I WANT THE RHETORIC TO IDENTIFY. DOESN’T HE HAVE TO DO IT? DON: YES HE DOES. DAN: THE TOWN COUNCIL SAYS WHAT ABOUT IT? DON: WE AREN’T GOING TO STOP HIM FROM ENFORCING LAWS WE JUST AREN’T GOING TO FUND THE CONFISCATION OF THOSE ITEMS. DAN: CONFIRMING THAT THE CHIEFS WILL DO IT WAS THE POLICE CHIEF EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR YESTERDAY. OBVIOUSLY LAW ENFORCEMENT AND THOSE DEPARTMENTS, THEY RECEIVED THEIR FUNDS AND BUDGETS WHICH ARE APPROVED BY EITHER THE TOWN ADMINISTRATOR, CITY COUNCIL, OR A FINANCIAL TOWN MEETING. IT CAN’T REACH INTO WHAT SPECIFIC LAW THEY ARE OR ARE NOT GOING TO ENFORCE. IT COMES DOWN TO OUR PURPOSE AND OUR ROLE. TO FOLLOW THE LAW AND NOT MAKE A JUDGMENT ABOUT WHETHER IT IS CONSTITUTIONAL OR NOT. IF IT NOT FOR US TO DECIDE. WE NEEDED TO REMAIN NEUTRAL AND THAT’S WHAT WE DO. DAN: LAW ENFORCEMENT IS PRETTY STEADY ON THIS. YOUR ARTICULATION OF THIS — MY RESPECT FOR YOUR ACUMEN IS GROWING BECAUSE YOU HAVE A GRIN ON YOUR FACE. YOU KNOW WHAT THE LIMITS OF YOUR RESOLUTION ARE. YOU KNOW WHAT YOUR ABILITY TO DEFY THE LAW IS. YET THE HYPE AND THE ATTENTION DRAWN FAR EXCEEDS WHAT YOU HAVE ACTUALLY ASKED OR SAID YOU WANT TO HAVE HAPPEN. DON: WOULDN’T IT BE INTERESTING IF THIS GOES BEYOND THE SECOND AMENDMENT AND STARTS TO APPLY TO OTHER AREAS OF STATE VERSUS MUNICIPAL GOVERNMENT? THERE IS A CONCERN THAT TO THE EXTENT THESE RESOLUTIONS EMPOWER PEOPLE WHO MAY NOT BE THINKING VERY CLEARLY ABOUT THIS ISSUE, THERE IS A NOTION THAT YOU DON’T HAVE TO FOLLOW A STATE LAW. THAT IS WHY I AM TRYING TO SPEAK AS CLEARLY AS I CAN ABOUT THIS ISSUE. DAN: THE ATTORNEY GENERAL ON ME — WITH ME ON WEDNESDAY ABOUT THIS ISSUE. THE SECOND AMENDMENT SANCTUARY TOWN STATUS. AGAIN, WE RECORD THIS ON THURSDAY. SEVERAL CITIES HAVE FOLLOWED IN THIS. THERE IS A DISENFRANCHISEMENT THEME THAT RUNS THROUGH THIS WHOLE THING. I DON’T WANT TO MISS MY ARGUMENT WHICH IS THIS. I AM LEARNING VERY QUICKLY THAT YOU ARE NO DUMMY. YOU KNOW EXACTLY WHAT YOU ARE DOING H3 YOU’RE ARE SMART AND RESPONSIBLE ENOUGH TO CODIFY — HE PUT OUT A SAME YESTERDAY. I WANT YOU TO ANSWER FIRST WHAT THE STATEMENT WAS YESTERDAY FROM THE COUNCIL. I DIDN’T GET A CHANCE TO SEE IT. VERSES THAT WHICH YOU PAST. DON: BECAUSE THERE HAS BEEN A LOT OF MISINFORMATION AND THE PRESS AND I DO BLAME THEM TO AN EXTENT FOR THAT. I WAS CONTACTED BY REPORTERS AND ASKED TO COMMENT BUT THEY HAVE NOT EVEN LOOKED AT THE RESOLUTION. THIS WENT TOWARD SOME OF THAT MISINFORMATION THAT WAS OUT THERE. THAT THE SECOND AMENDMENT IS AN IMPORTANT ISSUE FOR THE TOWN AND ITS RESIDENTS. IT TALKED ABOUT WHAT THE RESOLUTION RECOGNIZES. WE TALKED ABOUT WHAT THE REST — BRETT — RESOLUTION SAYS. AND WHAT THE RESOLUTION DOES NOT SAY. SPECIFICALLY, THE RESOLUTION DOES NOT PROHIBIT THE TOWN POLICE DEPARTMENT FROM ENFORCING THE LAW NOR DOES IT CIRCUMVENT ANY OF THE EXISTING GUN PURCHASE PROHIBITIONS. DAN: WELL DONE. YOU HINTED THAT IT MIGHT BE INTERESTING THAT THERE MIGHT BE OTHER MATTERS THAT TOWNS FORM COALITIONS FOR. DO YOU AGREE WITH ME IN MY PSYCHOANALYSIS THAT YOU ARE ALSO SPEAKING TO A GENERAL FRUSTRATION? THAT THE COMMUNITIES HAVE ABOUT WHAT GOES ON? DO YOU DAYDREAM OR RESEARCH OTHER MATTERS THAT YOU WOULD RESOLVE TO STAND ON AS WELL? DON: THE REASON WHY THIS IS IMPORTANT IS BECAUSE IT IS A CONSTITUTIONAL ISSUE. WHEN THE STATE MANDATED 10% AFFORDABLE HOUSING, THAT’S A MANDATE. YOU MUST HAVE IN YOUR POPULATION 10% AFFORDABLE HOUSING. TWO COMMUNITIES HAVE ACHIEVED THAT. IS THERE A POSITION TO SAY WE ARE NOT GOING TO FUND AFFORDABLE HOUSING? NO, IT IS NOT A CONSTITUTIONAL ISSUE. IT IS A LAW THAT WAS PASSED AND PUT FORTH BY THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY SO WE FOLLOWED IT. DO WE LIKE IT? NO. THERE IS A DISTINCT DIFFERENCE BETWEEN SECOND AMENDMENT AND SOME OF THE OTHER UNFUNDED MANDATES THAT COME DOWN. CAN WE FIGURE OUT WAYS TO PUSH BACK? DAN: OF COURSE YOU CAN AND MAYBE IN THE PAST YOU HAVE. DON: WE PASSED RESOLUTIONS ALL THE TIME. HERE IS — DAN: HERE IS MY RUBBER. HERE IS THE MONEY OBJECTION. THIS IS ABOUT BRANDING YOUR COMMUNITY IN A WAY THAT DOES NOT NECESSARILY REFLECT OR THERE IS NO EMPIRICAL DATA TO PRESENT THAT THE RESIDENTS IN MAJORITY APPROVE. THAT IS THE PROBLEM AND I THINK YOU ARE VERY CLEVER IN USING THE WORD SANCTUARY. THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH IMMIGRATION AT ALL. WHATSOEVER. YOU BORROW A TERM FROM THAT DEBATE. DON: THAT IS A SCENARIO TAKING PLACE WHERE CITIES ARE VIOLATING FEDERAL LAW. POLITICIANS ARE CALLING CITIES SOMETHING WITH NO OFFICIAL — YOU RESOLVED BY FORMALITY TO LABEL YOUR TOWN SOMETHING. DON: IS HIS POLICE DEPARTMENT ALLOWED TO COOPERATE WITH IMMIGRATION? DAN: THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WHAT THE CITY OF PROVIDENCE POLICE OFFICERS DO AND OTHERS DO. THE POLITICIAN TOOK THAT AND RAN. YOU ARE DOING THE SAME THING ON STEROIDS BY SUGGESTING THAT YOUR TOWN IS THIS. IF I LIVED IN YOUR TOWN, I WOULD PUT A FOR SALE SIGN ON MY DOOR BECAUSE WHO ARE YOU TO DO THAT? THAT IS MY ONLY COMPLAINT WITH WHAT YOU ARE DOING. DON: YOU MAY FIND THAT THE FOR SALE SIGN COMES DOWN AND A PENDING SALE SIGN GOES UP THE NEXT DAY. DAN: SO YOU ARE GOING TO BUILD A CULTURE. WE’RE RUNNING OUT OF TIME. YOU ARE WELCOME TO COME BACK AT ANY TIME. YOU ARE BUILDING A CULTURE OF AGREEMENT ON THIS CONCEPT BY RESOLVING THAT THE TOWN STANDS FOR IT. I THINK YOU NEED TO RECONSIDER THAT BECAUSE IT BUILDS MISUNDERSTANDING, MYTHOLOGY, AND I THINK WORKS AGAINST WHAT YOU REALLY WANT TO GET DONE. DON: AS I SAID , WE ARE GOING TO AGREE TO DISAGREE ON THAT. DAN: I AM CONCERNED THAT THE ACUMEN THAT DONALD FOX BRINGS TO THIS IS NOT SHARED ACROSS THE BOARD. BOTH ON AN ELECTED LEVEL AND DOWN THE LINE. I THINK HE HAS LIT A GAS FIRE HERE WITH THOUGHT AND WELL-INTENTIONED. AND A LITTLE BIT OF MISCHIEF THAT I THINK IS GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE A RECONCILIATION SOONER RATHER THAN LATER. THERE IS ALWAYS ANOTHER DAY TO TALK ABOUT IT. WE WILL SEE YOU NEXT WEEK. THANK YOU FOR TUNING IN. ♪

2 Comments

  • Michael Cruz

    I’m glad that there is a sanctuary in Rhode Island where guns may roam freely without interference by humans! Thank you Burrillville! 🤦‍♂️😂

  • Michael Cruz

    Yeah don’t you love when someone from another town comes to your town hall meetings to interfere with your town’s affairs?… 🤦‍♂️ Go back to Tividin!

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