Cenk of The Young Turks on MSNBC Debates Confederate History Month & More (4/7/2010)
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Cenk of The Young Turks on MSNBC Debates Confederate History Month & More (4/7/2010)


president is seriously considering
unveiling his own plan for many staged ending decades of conflict in his plan
in his mind between israelis and palestinians on the
washington post reports of the plan could be announced by autumn of this
year it would drop of the previously incremental
approach if you want to call our recent approach that in favor of a more
ambitious plan embracing borders the right of return for palestinian
refugees the status of jerusalem they all say the plan would have the
size confronting iran which of course is at the top of israel are the israeli governments concerns uh… here to mix it up blogger and host
of the young first thing he ever and columnist for politics daily dot com about louis it’s a pleasure to see you
both that change it how do you come up with a
comprehensive peace plan that target ceron et cetera without dealing with the
fact that china is one of the primary providers of money to iran as an oil buyer i’m not to mention iran’s role as the
arms for heroin dealer in afghanistan are we getting ourselves to talk with
the middle east if you can if you don’t deal with uh… with china and russia well there’s already a comprehensive
plan if you want expanded to china sure it’s got a complicated a little bit more
but i think they’re not as an excited i
would say he wanted a veron gets their money from china and you say you want to
deal with iran what’s your plan if you’re not going to
deal with china and they’re going to still have all the money is still the
trading heroin for guns with afghanistan right amanda my crazy well but no i i you’re not crazy it is a fair
point but i i haven’t seen a news reporter say that weren’t bad not bad
considering china and in and and and i think we have run into
this accident colin powell possibly brilliant because it is israel something that they want hey you
know what we want to resolve the situation with iran so that is in a higher
incentive to do uh… these peace talks i think i think
it’s a great move one of our matt matt if you look at it from that perspective
were a pariah nick is the carrot for israel to play because that’s their
number one concern difficile bamaca to figure out a way to corner arron or solve the iran
problem does that mean give him hahahaha as some sort of a pup place to
work uh… with the uh… the israelis
relative to would land in pain and palestine wanted first of all the let me say that
uh… president obama will part of the rationale for his election was that he
was supposed to uh… how those helping change stuff and
and and and that that other countries of respect us more and in fact what we’ve
seen whether it’s it’s iran or afghanistan or israel which we have
uh… historically bad relationship with israel right now compared to here decades of relationship with them but he really hasn’t done it so the
notion that he might naturally uh… fix things and i ron and that that
might be the carrot that would get israel is signed on board uh… it’s preposterous aya hai i don’t
have a lot of things in president obama’s ability to get this incredibly hostile regina by
ron i think all of the sudden start behaving matching tee hee at the last
word here and then what is your view of the prospects for an obama lead peace process compared anybody is trying
to pass to three thousand years uh… i retired from because you don’t
know if it was really does not at all it makes perfect sense to try it this way what does not want to do not try egg
that’s what bush did for eight years it was an absolute disaster what all
bombers plan makes a lot of sense to be sent us the both sides and a real problem is no bombs plan it’s
the right wing government of israel that doesn’t actually want to engage in the
peace process so they try to find every excuse here are a lot of it and then
little by little guy bad relations business written by concerned because
your idea of the peace process all is involved with israel given over land and
by the way that is the worst possible thing to do
if you want peace what if you don’t want to give landed
all right matt wendell and it also what do you want to get his own gave over
gaza for the palestinian authority hamas took control and started launching
rockets on civilians in israel that’s what happens mathausen under our blockaded do not
have effective control over that what you plan that what your plan you’re gonna give noel and you did
nothing to the palestinians anna what do you want happy so you want perpetual war as a
very anti israel position and he has in mind that when i think
americans should do is first of all not try to force its allies to give up a
laminer quixotic plan for peace uh… it with the fiber nation out that
i want peace if i were a nation out there i would what i would probably do
is be our enemy of america because that’s how you get land it is we are now
at the expense of america that he did nothing but let’s move on to another one
here at virginia’s republican governor bob mcdonnell five to thirty th april is confederate
history month of sports probably is reasons anger i’m on civil rights leaders among others
mcdonnell saying that i would like to go to promote state tourism leading up to a
two hundred and fiftieth anniversary of the civil war next year the
declaration honors the men a single fought in the war but it makes no mention of slavery for instance uh… former virginia governor douglas
wilder the grandson of slaves himself called the omission uh… mind-boggling at mac uh… your view on the at whether to
jenny are any careful formerly confederate state that would uh… use a
confederate celebration absent the knowledge into slavery is a mechanism to
generate tourism revenue well first let’s put it in context ill
and uh… virginia i think it’s four ongoing things that they’re honoring right now
and court including organ donation and child safety ma but a pro-life i guess
was just to create confederate mark gearan uh… and the commonwealth of virginia my take is i think it’s entirely fitting
and appropriate and proper to remember is up on her verging into who died
fighting in the civil war but i also agree with governor wilder we should have those you know what
should happen is also uh… make a mention of the sacrifices
and and the wrongs of slavery so i think that it’s it’s appropriate to
talk with the talk about how the sacrifices virginians meg but just like
governor gilmore did years ago you’ve got a mention slavery and you’ve got a
mention the wrongs that that were committed chain uh… and apartheid love about this is
an uh… mcdowell said that he had a great
business plan for bring more business in the virginia and is great plan is
redneck tourism but they’ve been widely regarded as at the range of unintended dealers i mean if he said that slavery that
sounds like he’s doing commemoration could you let me know rednecks monies
grain to either to the government i a further there are a lot of people have neither a
lot of folks in this country i think you would write a column bridge to the
notion that it was as redneck for the event a denial bridget twenty four
minutes into the show you have been watching by violence in our lives and that i know
i listen listen tom ridge is taken across the board real quick changing at
somebody like it up your chest yet look he said that this labor was
last seen everything that’s wading pool in the commemoration that’s basically
hang out with signs saying i am for white people and these
obviously too and it was based every political analyst agrees and he’s kind
of sad that the republican base loves that kind of talk and once in the talks
of slavery and celebrate the confederacy didn’t say so it really was not enough
to get he didn’t say slavery was a significant is that there are many
factors that determine the civil war is actually right about that the look on the conservative and i think
he should have mentioned delay i think he should and that is a he said that
slavery was insignificant to virginia basis labels are civilian within the
context of this commemoration within the context of the virus live in
the email because it was never get out of context is different but again he
should have mentioned slowly made it’s a confederation and that’s what i said i
was actually think that they have nothing else the omission of slavery
from a celebration of the confederacy the civil war well probably cause a lot of people that
single or a little more about the confederacy civil wars slavery um… this from conversations like this
in otherwise so what that will take a gentleman a pleasure thanks to the
congress a

100 Comments

  • Statesrights O

    @statesrights01 Today, the feds run almost everything, back in the early days up to the mid 19th cen. that wasn't the case. This is why the S. was so upset over the great compromise. If the Old Wig and Republicans could stop the Democrats from having states out west, then they could control the senate. Simple as that.. nothing more.

  • plynth2

    @statesrights01 I am not judging the confederates from today's standpoint. I am judging you from today's standpoint. Like it or not, the feds MADE slavery a federal issue, and rightly so.

    You said "stop the Democrats from having states out west", by that you mean slave states out west. Slavery was the mother of all the south's reasons for the war. You prove that point in everything you say.

  • Statesrights O

    @plynth2 Nope, not "rightly so" try reading the Virginia and Kentucky Resolutions of 1798, and yes, you are judging the Confederates. Like it or not, judge it all you want, the feds had No right to make those choices. And I really don't care if you judge me or not. It's not my fault that Thomas Jefferson and many others felt that the States should rule themselfs for the most part. Don't like it, don't know what to tell you

  • plynth2

    @statesrights01
    I guess I'm just surprised that in this day and age that their are Americans that think that the south should have been allowed to keep slavery. If you are going to insist on that, then you are going to be labeled a racist-and rightly so.

  • Statesrights O

    @plynth2 you can call me what ever you want, if it makes you feel good. Shows your narrow minded way of thinking at any cost. No, Im Not talking about "this day and age" Im talking about History. N. as well as S. owned slaves. It was a State issue, Not a fed. one. The territories out W. were denide to the S. from the feds. the S. had God forsaken tariffs put on them, forcing the to buy from yankee factories.. Not sure what your not getting on this..

  • plynth2

    @statesrights01
    Your faint objection to the racist label is revealing.
    Everything you say makes the same point. In this case, the tariffs were placed on a product that was produced with slave labor. I am not narrow minded, but I can see through your bogus smokesceen of a reason for the war. The mother of all the justifications for the war is slavery.

  • plynth2

    @statesrights01
    You characterize the tariffs as God forsaken, but slavery was not? You defend a state's right to maintain slavery? I experience no joy in calling you a racist. You have not attempted to defend yourself in this way, but another reason for your defense of the indefensible is to absolve yourself of the guilt you feel about the actions of your forefathers.

  • plynth2

    @statesrights01
    The war was 150 years ago brother. No one holds you responsible. All is forgiven. Forget about the war-the northerners have. Believe me, the only time a northerner thinks about the war is when southerners celebrate the confederacy. Confederacy supporters indicate to northerners that some in the south have not evolved along with the rest of us.

  • reallyidontknow

    (no offense to any intended)
    according to them, its alright to have a national black history month, which surronds a very diverse cultural group and its accomplishments… but they say that if there is a confederate history month, that they must make all these people regret ancestors and their practices?
    ok, this is like me bitching at the germans over their ancestors torturing my polish ancestors.
    if you are german, do you regret killing my family?
    no, because it is not your fault whatsoever.

  • Statesrights O

    @plynth2 Im enjoying this talk, lets put things into perspective. 1st. Our Forefathers, many whom owned slaves. 2nd. The Constitution, in it makes the point clearly. That the feds have a few jobs to do, rest go to the states, or it's peoples. these laws are the law of the land. It dosn't matter if the issue is slavery, land out west, or even today.. health care, same sex marriage. it's a State issue, Not a fed one

  • Statesrights O

    @statesrights01 I support states' rights for the simple fact that, it's Constitutional. I do Not, Nor will I ever endorse slavery of any kind. If a states in the 19th cen. wanted to keep slaves, that would have been that states choice, Not for the feds to choose. There is Nothing racist about what Im saying, all Im saying is what the admendments are saying. This is what had the S. is an uproar

  • Statesrights O

    @plynth2 Southerners don't need to "evolve". If anything, the N. needs to re-read it's Constitution. As of now, many States are doing that very thing, Oh. Penn. Mich. just to name a few are telling the feds.. we have state sovereignty. No my friend, Im not racist in any shape or form, I do however support the S. in her fight for States' Rights. why?? it was and is the Law of the land.

  • plynth2

    @statesrights01
    If you are saying that you are maintaining a strict adherence to only the original articles and the Bill of Rights of the constitutuion, you are comfortable with people owning slaves, blacks and women cannot vote, etc., then you are one of those southerners that need to evolve. Of course, you probably believe the literally interpretation of the Bible so you con't even believe in evolution.

  • reallyidontknow

    @dwade1962eagle
    my point im trying to make is that culture groups should all be allowed to have a time of national/cultural pride if they wanted it, regardless of the actions of their ancestors.
    of course, if celebrating meant the promotion of slavery or my earlier case of a hypothetical case of nazi promotion– then you get into a big freedom of speech problem, which is a hard decision these days.

  • Statesrights O

    @dwade1962eagle right wing?? what are you even ranting about.. Im talking about States' Rights. simple as that. I don't see myself as a right or a left. I see that the feds are way out of control, and need to get back into step as far as this country is concerned. Last I looked, I think were all "FLAWLESS". lol…

  • Statesrights O

    @dwade1962eagle umm. you lost too dude, lincoln wasn't thinking about dwade when he decided to rip the constitution up and whip his ass with it. After the war, and the 13th admendment was passed.. want to know something? Yankes were screaming. "You can't do that, it's Unconstitutional" well.. looky there. Nope, no death rattle here dwade.

  • Statesrights O

    @plynth2 Just saying the samething over and over… States' Rights. as for the bible.. got a problem with that, you need to take that up with God. Do I think folks shouldn't be aloud to vote? did I ever say that anywhere?? Never.. Did I ever support slavery?? Never.. Stay on track, Im saying it's about States' Rights. Simple as that.. Nothing more

  • plynth2

    @statesrights01 You're right. We keep repeating the same thing. The south wanted to exercise their state's rights as the device to keep slavery.

  • reytrapaet

    @statesrights01

    I can't believe you are still talking about this! I left this page weeks ago

    THE WAR IS OVER! OKAY IT WAS FOUGHT OVER STATES RIGHTS!

    MAKE HIM STOP PLEASE!

    Now change your name and move into 2010

  • Clement Yang

    "it's when you're an ally of the United States that you get nothing" at 7:46 look at Cenk's face lol, priceless. does Lewis know how much frickin military aid we give to israel every year? It's become a one-way alliance. Israel has done nothing for us lately, and perpetuating this war is only going to get more of our troops killed and Iraq and Afghanistan as long as this the Israel-Palestine issues is used as a recruiting tool.

  • Statesrights O

    @reytrapaet well Thanks.. you see what Im talking about now. It was fought over States Rights.. and No, unlike many of the yanks in here who want to make 3-4 different accouts just to try to prove a point.. I have just this one..

  • Statesrights O

    @plynth2 States Rights', yes. point is this, When the S. lost that war, the country as a whole lost it's "statehood" The feds run things now, not the States. The feds are far out of control, Not the States. As I had said before, Im not pro slavery, however, like it or not. When the S. lost it's rights like it did. We all Lost! lincoln wanted to run a more central style gov. and that's what he got. while We the States Lost. Not hard to understand

  • plynth2

    @statesrights01
    I suppose it is not a coincidence that the diminishment of states rights and the civil war came at the same time. Perhaps if the south had done the right thing at the time and abolished slavery, the south would not have seceded, the whole war could have been avoided and states rights would have remained the same. It seems what you are really claiming is that states rights were diminished as a result of the war – not the cause of it.

  • Statesrights O

    @plynth2 why would it be a coincidence? lincoln didn't like States' Rights, he wanted a more central style type of gov. ….

  • plynth2

    @statesrights01 On its face, your assertion that "Lincoln didn't like states rights" is a fabrication. I don't know of a single politician who has not liked states rights in general. Simply because southern politicians wanted stronger states rights so they could keep the institution of slavery doesn't mean that Lincoln "didn't like states rights".

  • plynth2

    @statesrights01
    Saying that the war was about states rights is like saying Christmas is a stroy about three wise men who, among other things, came across a newborn baby. I'll say it again, slavery THE reason for secession around which all other issues revolved.

  • plynth2

    @statesrights01
    If a 21st c. statement about states rights is what is begging to be expressed, don't use the Confederate flag (it was about slavery), come up with a new flag or logo. If you use the Confederate flag, you will be considered racist by others.

  • Statesrights O

    @plynth2 what others say about me is little concern. If lincoln "liked" states' rights, then why didn't he want the S. to expand out west? Sorry bout your luck there bud, you need to get those lincoln rose colored glasses off and see history for what it really is.

  • Statesrights O

    @plynth2 21st Cen.? LOL.. what will they say about us 200 yrs. from now? They'll point and say we let oil spills kill the waters, let our cars exhaust kill the ozone.. just to name a few things.

  • Statesrights O

    @plynth2 you must think lincoln wrote the bill of rights and our constitution.. well, sorry, he didn't.. those who did knew and understood that guys like lincoln would rise up to power and take control. Nope.. it's all about States' Rights. like it or not. bottom line. If the S. wanted there slaves, then it was a States Issue. NOT a fed one. If the S. wanted to expand to the W. that too was OK. rather the lincolnites liked that or not

  • Statesrights O

    @plynth2 guess today why so many states are reaffirming there State Sovereignty is due to … slaves? LOL.. once again plynth, you miss the forest for the tress.. keep going, you might see the whole picture just yet.. Peace

  • plynth2

    @statesrights01
    I find it so very strange when I make a point and then you give me an LOL and a "miss the forest for the trees" when it is you who missed my point.. You say "due to…slaves? LOL". NO-IT IS NOT THE SLAVES. That was my exact point that YOU missed. If you, TODAY, want to reafffirm states rights-don't do it with a Confederate flag because it is NOT ABOUT SLAVES. That was my point. You've got to smarten up.

  • plynth2

    @statesrights01 I have no idea what you are trying to say in you 200 yrs from now post. Are you drunk or something?

  • plynth2

    @America4Americans01
    I suppose the confederate flab represents different things to different people. To some, as yourself, it is a symbol of the bravery of the soldiers who fought for their homeland and way of life. To others, it represents and recalls hundreds of years of slavery and discrimination.

  • plynth2

    @America4Americans01 The motivations of those who commemorate the confederacy is viewed with suspicion. in part, because the soldiers of the Union fought no less bravely, and yet, there is no inclination to stir up the inevitable bitterness that some in the south would feel. Why can't all southerners display the same sort of sensitivity toward for those who are offended by the confederate flag?

  • DRDNIBOY

    Cenek is exactly right. Israel TOOK land.. and so they dont want to give it back now. And the conservatives in Israel are just as bad as the conservatives in the USA.

  • stama9

    Matt Lewis is a real douche ignoring key facts he is surely aware of to score political points while real people suffer in the middle east for his bonehead thinking. Anything Obama has done to get a little support or respect in the world was imediately seized upon by the right wing in the U.S. to criticize him and make him the anti-christ.

  • MilitantPeaceist

    Cenk – Brilliant – Spon On!
    Right wing Zionism is only in power coz they bend and use the Orthodox Haredi sect (which holds balance of power in a secular country 0.o) to stay in Gov. They keep shoving the Haredi people, who are vastly breeding & never work or do national service (which is a good thing lol) into the new settlements. The right wing Zionist Gov are putting Israeli's lives at risk by their stupid fairytale tradition!
    ..

  • MilitantPeaceist


    Of course they need to give some land back & share Jerusalem – der! & the Iran incentive is a no brainer, they both want to wipe each other off the map, the only thing we need to concentrate on are the children, we need to save the children who are not yet into this cultural hatefest which is all over the "pride over nationalism" – Right wing are facists!
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  • Mark Moody

    OH thats an insult that jackass Cenk Uqyur hit below the belt; its ridiculous hes dishonored my ancestors, he needs to shut his mouth up he ancestors werent even here during the war

  • TheMrTittle

    wow the other dude talking about going against america is a little unpatriotic. and matts white as hell wtf is he like 1/1000000000 black? and confederate month does make some since because they were americans and they were fighting for what they thought they had a right to do. even though i dont think it was right, and its just amazing how cival right leaders jump on anything they think is racist when is has little or no effect on the race as a whole.

  • arad7613

    Every discussion about the mid-east conflict in America is so superficial, and so disconnected from reality…

    Israel is prepared to withdraw from the occupied territories. The dispute isn't about that. The dispute is about the fact that the Palestinians demand that Israel takes millions of Palestinian refugees, effectively turning Israel into a Palestinian state.

    That's the bone of contention. When are you going to realize it?

  • jk147a

    How did Hamas "take over"?
    If he means that they staged a violent coup, then he's wrong; if he means they won a fairly run democratic election, then he's right.
    I appreciate some Americans have a problem with popularly elected governments but how about learning from history and dealing with these governments instead of trying to illegally undermine them?

  • theskiesbelowme

    It's a shame when in the United States of America a Southern state cannot celebrate Confederate History Month. It is Virginia, they fought the US, they have every right to celebrate it! It's their own damn history!

  • theskiesbelowme

    @tomitstube Your logic is a complete failure. By the 1940's the attitudes of the South were more or less similar when it came to race as in the Civil War. The bulk of the US military was made of Southerners; so much so that the Confederate flag was flown on some ships and even raised over Shuri Castle once the US took it from Japan.

    I highly doubt that American Southerners in World War II (many many of whom were white supremacists) were equal to Nazis, which is obviously who they were fighting.

  • newgarda

    @theskiesbelowme Nazis are bad. Confederates are bad, even though not as bad as Nazis. Either way, there shouldn't be a month for them. I think most would agree the defining feature, the thing that comes to mind when you mention confederates were a people who wanted slavery.

  • RT Myths Debunked

    What other factors contributed to secession…? It was virtually just slavery. In fact, every state that issued a Declaration of Secession explicitly stated that their secession was purely due to issues with "african slavery" / "african servitude."

  • RT Myths Debunked

    @nncup12fan, I am not a real big history buff, but I can read and understand english…that'a all that is needed. The Confederate states made it very simple for the simple folk of America to comprehend – it was over slavery. Read their declarations of secession, bubba; they stated clearly and repeatedly that it was all over issues with slavery.

  • rohirrim90

    Virginia and the South deserves that month. After 5 years of constant fighting, and some of the bloodiest battles of the war, VA deserves it (if not all of the states). Fredericksburg, Chancellorsville, First/Second Bull Run, Overland Campaign, Petersburg, Appomattox Campaign, and many other fights. All of those cost thousands of lives in VA alone, even if they had a cause that many frown upon today, then we should have the human decency to honor their courage and will to defend their homes.

  • rohirrim90

    @Saffroncreature Actually not all of the states succeeded because of the election. Virginia for example mainly succeeded because of Lincoln's call for volunteers suppress the other states, they believed that it was legal for the states to succeed if they don't feel like they should stay and Lincoln should honor that. While the states that succeeded with VA I don't believe had the same reason, but like the rest, they had many reasons. Also go beyond the school's basic knowledge for debate.

  • Grant Hackethorn

    @TheArabChristian So what should it do about rockets launched into its territory? Israel is fine with ceding Gaza and the West Bank if it would guarantee security IMHO. However, everytime they give over they don't get anything back in return. It must be quid-pro-quo. It's like Reagan and the spending cuts, he agreed to raise taxes with Congress but they didn't live up to their end of the bargain to cut twice in spending.

  • Grant Hackethorn

    @MaximumStackz I hate the smirk on Cenk's face as though no other viewpoint can have credence but his own. I love how Cenk mentions nothing of th failed diplomacy with Israeli PM's visit to WH, or to his lackluster response on the settlement issue. Why should Israel give up anything to a group of people firing rockets into them? If Palestine could control it's population, we would have no problem there.

  • Grant Hackethorn

    @1Mafioso4 How? Even Ratigan agreed with the position at the end trailing off. Cenk leaves off way too many facts and has unsubstantiated claims.

  • truthmouthpiece2

    msnbc are the exact same thing as fox.. but with liberals!! damn.. that HAS to mean that in the end, the result of this is the same= CRAP
    what Cenk is doing there, for real.. you ain't gonna change anything in there, you're just being softened by the system.. WAKE UP!!!

  • truthmouthpiece2

    Am I the only one thinking Cenk is going to be bought up & sucked up into the system he was fighting against in the first place? Perfect exemple of how corporate media silence REALLY DANGEROUS ideas(for the corrupt elite), by giving way to more acceptable ones(liberal, but not dangerous for them)

  • jschultzVII

    Confederate History…….. you mean splitting the Union and starting a war the killed piles of Americans on both sides…… all in the defence of slavery? Yeah, lets celebrate that.

    Fuck the Rebels. I like to start bonfires with the "Stars and Bars", I find it works well and looks great on fire.

  • waldoman7

    @TheCaliCapitalist

    by that logic Columbus Day and Independance day remove American's right to call itself pro civil rights. The Confedaracy was many things, some good and some bad. One of the bad things was that it allowed slavery, yet it wasn't many years before that the northern states allowed slavery, and they were still involved in eradication of native americans. In short, no nation is bloodless. The confederacy is nothing special where evils are concerned.

  • Skankhair333

    The terms, and their meanings, have changed.

    It's a very different world and game now. The civil-war era definitions of "democrat" and "republican" do not apply today.

  • Angel Firestone

    While we at why don't we honor all those that died for the Nazis ideology during WWII curriculum. Different wars, same belief system.

  • Ghafar Foladi

    Cenk you remind me of Christopher hitchens. He never let dirty lies get past him and he was well read on so many topics and history. You see a lie call them on it.

  • Rundstedt1

    "Having swept away the counterfactual Myth of the Lost Cause, a historian may briefly state the history of the Civil War as follows.
    The eleven states that seceded and became the Confederate States of America did so in order to protect the institution of African slavery from a perceived political threat from the majority of the people of the United States who disapproved of the institution."
    – Gary W. Gallagher, Alan T. Nolan  "The Myth of the Lost Cause and Civil War History" p29 

  • Southern Gentleman

    Why don’t people know the Confederacy was really diverse? African Americans, Native Americans, Hispanics, Latinos, Irish, Jews, French Algerians, and Cubans fought for the Confederacy.

    Like Stand Watie, Loretta Velasquez, Santos Benavides, Moses Ezekiel, Marlboro Jones, and W.S Lewis

  • Southern Gentleman

    You know in the show the man in the high castle, Nazis destroyed every single piece of American history to control the American public.

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