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Dr David Anderson and Herman Bailey – “The 2nd Amendment From A Biblical Perspective” Part 2


DAVE 2 ♪ MUSIC SFX: THUNDER ♪ MUSIC ♪ MUSIC ♪ MUSIC ♪ MUSIC SFX: THUNDER MUSIC ♪ MUSIC>>HERMAN: I LOVE YOU AND THANK YOU FOR JOINING US. THIS IS DOCTOR DAVE, WITHOUT HIM, IT WOULD NOT BE DOCTOR DAVE AND HERMAN BAILEY>>DAVE: AND I CANNOT ARGUE WITH THAT LOGIC.>>HERMAN: AND IF THE POLITICIAN SAID THAT, THAT WOULD MAKE TOTAL SENSE.>>DAVE: AND IF HE WAS A CONSERVATIVE THEY WOULD RIDICULE HIM.>>HERMAN: AND THEY WOULD SAY HE LOST HIS MIND, AND WERE GOING TO BE TALKING ABOUT THE SECOND AMENDMENT, AND I HOPE YOU DID NOT MISS THE FIRST ONE, AND I HOPE YOU RECORDED IT, AND WHATEVER YOU CALL IT AND THAT WOULD BE THE GREATEST SYSTEM KNOWN TO MAN. AND THIS IS WHAT YOU CAN DO WITH THE CABLE NOW.>>DAVE: IT IS AMAZING.>>HERMAN: AND ON THE LAST PROGRAM, AND YOU KNOW KEEP IT RIGHT THERE, AND YOU SEE, HE JUST RUINED MY LITTLE SYSTEM, BECAUSE, AND HE WANTED TO DO THIS AND THERE WAS NOTHING TO FIX. DO YOU SEE WHAT THAT SAYS? AND THAT IS THE HOLY BIBLE AND THE GUN AND HOW DOES THAT RELATE AND HOW IN THE WORLD DOES THAT RELATE? AND THE BIBLE, AND THE SECOND AMENDMENT? AND HOW DOES THAT RELATE? DAVID?>>DAVE: AND THAT IS WHAT WE WILL TALK ABOUT, AND I THINK, FIRST OF ALL I SYMPATHIZE WITH ANYBODY WHO DISAGREES WITH THE POSITION FROM THE BIBLICAL PERSPECTIVE, BUT THERE COULD BE A GOOD ARGUMENT MADE, FOR WHY IT WOULD BE ACCEPTABLE FOR A BELIEVER TO PROPERLY USE A FIREARM.>>HERMAN: AND THIS IS YOUR GUN?>>DAVE: THAT ONE IS MINE.>>HERMAN: AND THIS WILL ONLY FIRE IF YOU DO THIS. AND NOW IT IS LOADED AND IT IS READY TO GO, AND DO NOT MESS WITH DOCTOR DAVID ANDERSON. AND WHEN HE IS IN THE PULPIT. AND FAITH BAPTIST CHURCH IN SARASOTA,>>DAVE: AND YES THAT WOULD BE ON FRUITVILLE ROAD.>>HERMAN: AND I CANNOT EVEN FIND THE PLACE. THAT WOULD BE IN SARASOTA, AND YOU HAVE GOT THE DEACONS WHO HAVE THE RIGHT TO CARRY?>>DAVE: AND YES, EVERYBODY HAS THE RIGHT TO CARRY, BUT THOSE WHO HAVE THE PERMIT, AND WE ALL LOWER OUR MEN AND WOMEN, ALSO, AND THEY COULD BRING THE FIREARM TO THE CAMPUS.>>HERMAN: AND THEY SAY THE WOMEN ARE THE BIGGEST ONES NOW, AND THEY ARE PURCHASING THE SMALL FIREARMS FOR PROTECTION.>>DAVE: YES, SURE AND YES, IT WOULD BE THE BEST OFFENSE TO AGAINST AN ASSAULT.>>HERMAN: NOW LET’S TALK ABOUT, AND WE HOPE, AND I HOPE YOU DID NOT MISS THE FIRST PROGRAM BECAUSE AND WE SET UP OVER GO TO BE TALKING ABOUT AND THIS IS GETTING INTO THE SCRIPTURES, AND THE REFERENCES THAT YOU NEED TO HAVE, AND HAVE YOUR PENCIL AND YOUR PAD AND WHATEVER AND HAVE THE BIBLE AND HAVE IT READY, AND YOU CAN CHECK US OUT. AND I WAS DOING THE PROGRAM, AND WITH PAT WILLIAMS, AND MY GOOD FRIEND AND THE GUY, AND HE MADE THE ORLANDO MAGIC. IT WAS NOT JUST MAGIC BUT HE GAVE THEM THE IDEA BELIEVE IT OR NOT, BUT ANYWAY, I HAD GIVEN A WRONG REFERENCE, AND PAT WILLIAMS, AND HE IS A PERFECTIONIST, AND AFTER THE PROGRAM HE SAYS, NOW LET ME SEE THE REFERENCE, AND I HAD GIVEN THE WRONG REFERENCE. AND HE GOES, AND THIS IS NOT WHAT YOU SHOULD OF SAID. AND I HAD GO UPSTAIRS, AND I WAS READING IT WRONG, IT WAS PSALMS 30:2, AND I HAD WRITTEN DOWN 50:2, AND THERE WOULD BE THE EXAMPLE, AND WHEN SOMEBODY SAYS SOMETHING, AND DO NOT TAKE IT VERBATIM, AND CHECK IT OUT>>DAVE: AND YES, I ALWAYS DO, AND WHEN WE HAVE THE WORD OF GOD AVAILABLE. AND THE FIRST POINT TODAY, WOULD BE THE LAST POINT FROM LAST WEEK, WOULD BE THIS, AND USING A FIREARM AGAINST SOMEONE DOES NOT NECESSARILY VIOLATE THE SIXTH COMMANDMENT, AND YOU SHALL NOT KILL IN THE MODERN VERNACULAR, AND IT SHOULD BE YOU SHALL NOT MURDER. AND IT IS, AND NO MURDER, AND THIS IS THE HEBREW. AND THE WORD IT MEANS, TO KILL AND TO SLAY OR MURDER, AND TO BE A MANSLAUGHTER, IT DOES NOT MEAN TO TAKE A LIFE, AND THE PROHIBITION IN 20:13 OF EXODUS, WOULD BE AGAINST MURDER, AND NOT AGAINST KILLING.>>HERMAN: AND KEEP THAT ON THE SCREEN, BUT HOW DOES THAT FIT ABORTION?>>DAVE: ABORTION IS THE UNDER JUST KILLING OF A JUDICIALLY INNOCENT PERSON, AND THE BIBLE ENCOURAGES, AND PROMOTES AND ALLOWS KILLING IN WAR, AND IN DANGER OR FOR THE LAW IF SOMEBODY IS GUILTY OF A CAPITAL CRIME AND THE BIBLE SAYS WHAT CRIMES YOU CAN KILL FOR. AND BEING ALIVE IS NOT A CRIME, AND THE CHILDREN HAVE NOT COMMITTED ANY CRIME THAT WOULD BE WORTHY OF A CAPITAL PUNISHMENT.>>HERMAN: BUT THEY SAY IT IS TISSUE.>>DAVE: IT IS NOT, THAT IS A DECEPTION, AND WE KNOW SCIENTIFICALLY, AND BECAUSE OF ALL OF THE KNOWLEDGE WE HAVE OF LIFE IN THE WOMB, AND THE LIFE BEGINS AT CONCEPTION, AND THE CELLS BEGIN TO MULTIPLY AT THE SPEED OF LIGHT, AND WHEN DOES PERSONHOOD BEGINS? AND WE DO NOT CONSIDER THEM A PERSON BUT THEY ARE. AND THIS IS JUST AN ARBITRARY DESIGNATION, AND THAT WOULD BE THEIR ARGUMENT, AND NO ONE WHO KNOWS BIOLOGY ANYMORE CAN ARGUE THAT IT IS NOT A LIFE AT THE MOMENT OF CONCEPTION, THEY SAY IT MIGHT NOT BE A PERSON WITH RIGHTS.>>HERMAN: AND DON’T FORGET PLANNED PARENTHOOD IS WORTH BILLIONS, AND THEY COULD COME AGAINST ANYBODY, AND WE HAVE BEARD OFF A LITTLE BIT THIS IS INTERESTING, AND THIS, AND ACTUALLY, THIS CAN AND THIS CAN COVER THE SUBJECT.>>DAVE: AND I THINK IT DOES, AND IT IS NOT EVEN A STRETCH, AND THE BIBLE SAYS IT WOULD FOR ABORTION, AND YOU SHALL NOT KILL.>>HERMAN: LET’S CONTINUE.>>DAVE: AND THE TURNING OF THE OTHER CHEEK, AND MAYBE, AND MAYBE RESPONDING TO EVIL WITH GOOD, AND LOVING YOUR NEIGHBOR OR REJOICING WHAT YOU ARE SUFFERING, AND DO NOT PROHIBIT A BELIEVER FROM USING A FIREARM IN WAYS THAT WOULD BE ALLOWED ABOUT THE OLD TESTAMENT SCRIPTURES. AND SO, THE NEW TESTAMENT PRINCIPLES DO NOT CANCEL OUT, THE OLD TESTAMENT ALLOWANCES FOR SELF PROTECTION. AND SO, THESE PRINCIPLES, YOU CANNOT BE PRIDEFUL, AND YOU CANNOT BE VINDICTIVE, AND THIS IS WHAT IT IS PROHIBITING, AND BEING PRIDEFUL AND SELFISH AND VINDICTIVE. AND LIKE SUFFERING JOYFULLY, IT WOULD BE IN THE CONTEXT OF SUFFERING BECAUSE OF PERSECUTION AND NOT CRIME. AND IF YOU’RE BEING PERSECUTED FOR YOUR FAITH, YES, YOU SHOULD WITHSTAND AN ENDURE IT, AND WITHOUT HAVING A FIREARM, BUT NOT A CRIME. AND THE BIBLE DOES NOT SAY THAT WE SHOULD BE A VICTIM OF A CRIME. AND WE LAY DOWN THE ARMS WHEN IT WOULD BE PERSECUTION FOR FAITH IN CHRIST.>>HERMAN: AND THIS WOULD BE LIKE SOME OF THE MANIACS WHO HAVE SHOT OF THE DOCTORS, DURING THE MARCHES FOR THE ABORTIONS, AND THEY WILL TAKE AND THEY MEAN, THEY HAVE GOT THE RIGHT TO KILL THE PEOPLE, AND THEY WERE KILLING THE BABIES. AND IT IS STRETCHING WHAT WE THINK WOULD BE RIGHT, AND RECORDED THE WORD OF GOD, IT IS NOT RIGHT.>>DAVE: AND THERE ARE RESTRICTIONS ON HOW A BELIEVER OR HOW A GOVERNMENT SHOULD KILL, AND THIS WOULD BE IN ROMANS 13 AND THE OLD TESTAMENT, THEY HAVE THE RIGHT TO BEAR THE SWORD BUT ONLY IN CERTAIN SITUATIONS AND THEY CANNOT JUST KILL THOSE THEY WANT, AND THEY DON’T HAVE THE RIGHT TO INFLICT VENGEANCE AND TO SEEK AFTER, BECAUSE SOMEONE HAS DONE A CRIME. BUT YOU CAN PROTECT YOURSELF AND YES YOU DO. AND NUMBER THREE AND IN LUKE 22:36, AND JESUS TALKS ABOUT WEAPONRY IN A POSITIVE LIGHT, BUT NOW, IF YOU HAVE A MONEY BAG, YOU CAN TAKE IT AND ALSO, TAKE A KNAPSACK, AND IF YOU DON’T HAVE A SWORD, YOU CAN SELL YOUR GARMENTS AND PURCHASE ONE. AND THIS WOULD BE THE END OF HIS LIFE, AND IT WOULD BE FOOLISH TO THINK HE WAS SAYING, GET A WEAPON, AND THEN FORBID THE USE, AND HE SAYS, THE SORT WOULD BE TODAY, IT WOULD BE A LIKE A FIREARM. AND JESUS PLUS THIS IN A POSITIVE LIGHT TO THE DISCIPLES.>>HERMAN: ARE YOU STRETCHING IT?>>DAVE: NO, BUT WHY WOULD HE SAY GET A SWORD IF YOU SHOULD NOT USE IT? AND JUST TO HANG IN THE HOUSE? AND THAT WOULD BE THE SAME THING WITH A FIREARM, AND YOU SHOULD PROTECT YOURSELF AND YOUR FAMILY, AND MAYBE A COMMUNITY. AND IN MATTHEW 26:51-53, AND WHEN PETER USED THE SWORD, AND PETER REBUKED HIM, BUT HE DID NOT REBUKE HIM FOR THE SWORD, BUT FOR THE WRONG SITUATION AND HE SAID, PUT THE SWORD IN ITS PLACE, AND ALL WHO TAKE THE SWORD WILL PERISH BY THE SWORD, AND HE WAS REBUKING HIM FOR USING IT TO PREVENT WHAT JESUS KNEW HAD TO HAPPEN AND HE CAME TO DIE FOR OUR SINS, AND WHEN HE CUT OFF THE EAR OF THE MAN, AND HE SAID PUT IT AWAY, I MUST DO THIS. AND IF YOU COULD LIVE YOUR LIFE BY THE SWORD, YOU WILL DIE BY THE SWORD, AND I MUST DIE FOR YOU AND THIS IS NOT THE APPROPRIATE PLACE TO USE THE SWORD, IT WAS NOT A BLANKET FORBIDDING OF THE FIREARMS.>>HERMAN: YOU COULD DEFEND YOURSELF?>>DAVE: AND YES, YOU COULD NOT AVOID WHAT GOD WANTED TO HAPPEN.>>HERMAN: AND HE DID NOT WANT THAT PROTECTION?>>DAVE: HE HAD TO DIE AND JESUS GAVE UP HIS LIFE, AND THIS PRINCIPLE WOULD NOT BE A PROHIBITION AGAINST WEAPONRY, AND IT FIRST PETER 2:17, AND THIS MIGHT BE A STRETCH BUT FOLLOW ME.>>HERMAN: OH, YOU HAVE GOT ME.>>DAVE: AND THE BIBLE SAYS, FEAR GOD AND ALL OF THE KING. AND THIS IS WHAT A GOOD CHRISTIAN DOES, AND IN THE UNITED STATES, AND WE DO NOT HAVE A KING, AND THE CLOSEST THING WOULD BE THE CONSTITUTION, AND FOR THE CONSTITUTION, AND THE WORLD WAS GOVERNED BY THE WORLD, AND THE KING WOULD BE THE LAW, AND WE ARE FOLLOWING THE LAW WOULD BE THE KING, AND THIS WOULD BE THE FOUNDING PRINCIPLE OF THE CONSTITUTION, AND THE CONSTITUTION IS OUR KING, AND THE SECOND AMENDMENT WOULD BE A PART OF THIS, AND TO FEAR GOD AND OUT OF THE KING FOR THE BELIEVER, AND I BELIEVE WE SHOULD HONOR THE CONSTITUTION, AND NOT THE PRESIDENT, OR THE CONGRESSMAN, BUT THE CONSTITUTION AND IT WOULD BE THE KING IN AMERICA.>>HERMAN: AND THIS IS HOW MOST OF THE AMERICANS WOULD INTERPRET IT, AND IT WOULD BE THE KING AND THE PRESIDENT.>>DAVE: AND THIS IS NOT WHAT HE IS SAYING AND WE DON’T HAVE THAT, AND WE DON’T HAVE AN APPOINTED POSITION LIKE A KING WHO IS A IN POSITION FOR LIFE, AND THEY ARE THERE FOR LIFE, AND AS LONG AS THEY ARE ALIVE, AND WE ROTATE THROUGH THROUGH THE DEMOCRATIC PROCESS.>>HERMAN: AND THEY WANTED GEORGE WASHINGTON TO BE A KING? AND HE REFUSED?>>DAVE: AND THE KING WAS THE CONSTITUTION AND WHAT IS ALWAYS PROMINENT IN AMERICA, IT WOULD BE THE CONSTITUTION AND THIS IS WHAT WE SHOULD HONOR, AND OVER ABOVE, ANYONE MAN, AND FOR THEIR APPLICATION OF THE CONSTITUTION WE SHOULD HONOR THE CONSTITUTION, AND THE, THE CONSTITUTION SAYS, AND WE HAVE THE NEED FOR A MILITIA, AND WE HAVE THE NEED FOR SAFETY TO BE ARMED, AND WE ARE HONORING THE KING BY BEING ARMED.>>HERMAN: AND HOW DO YOU, AND HOW DO YOU PROTECT YOURSELF FROM CRAZY PEOPLE? AND FOR THOSE, AND THOSE WHO COME ALONGSIDE OF YOU, AND LIKE THE CRAZY ONES IN THE BOTTOM RECENTLY, AND WITH THE CATTLE PROBLEM AND THE CATTLE WAS GRAZING ON THE ALLEGED GOVERNMENT LAND. AND EVEN, THE OWNER OF THE RANCH SAID, AND WE DON’T AGREE WITH WHAT THEY HAVE SAID, AND YOU COULD TELL, AND THEY WERE THE FRENCH AND THEY WANTED TO PICK A FIGHT WITH THE GOVERNMENT. I WAS TELLING SHARON AND WHEN I HEARD THIS, AND YOU KNOW, AND YOU WERE ARRESTED NINE TIMES AND BUFFALO, AND I HAD A HUGE TRIAL IN TAMPA, AND I SAID THE REASON I HAVE STOPPED TRYING TO BLOCK THE ABORTION CLINICS, AND I WOULD BE WALKING WITH THE PEOPLE AND I WOULD HEAR WHAT THEY WERE SAYING, AND I WOULD GO, I DON’T AGREE. AND THEY WERE SAYING THINGS, AND THEY WANTED TO GO FOR THE VIOLENCE, AGAINST THE POLICE. AND I THOUGHT, AT THAT POINT I SAID YOU KNOW, I THINK WE ARE GETTING THE PEOPLE IN THIS THING, AND THEY DON’T UNDERSTAND, AND WE HAVE GOT TO ABIDE BY THE LAW, AND EVEN THOUGH WE WANT TO SAVE LIVES. AND THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS, BUT HOW DO YOU SORT IT OUT? AND THOSE THAT MIGHT SAY, I AGREE WITH YOU, BUT THEY WANT TO START TROUBLE.>>DAVE: AND IF I COULD HOLD THAT BACK UNTIL THE END, AND I WANT TO GIVE YOU THE FIVE PRINCIPLES.>>HERMAN: AND THIS IS DOCTOR DAVE AND YOU CAN DO WHAT YOU WANT.>>DAVE: AND ROMANS 13, APPROVES THE USE OF DEADLY FORCE, AND THIS IS THE NEW TESTAMENT AND YOU CAN USE DEADLY FORCE FOR THE GOVERNMENT, AND IF THE BELIEVERS ARE TO BE INVOLVED IN THE GOVERNMENT, AND IF THIS IS FOR THEM, AND IF THIS WOULD BE INSPIRED BY GOD, AND THIS WOULD BE APPLICABLE, AND THESE BELIEVERS HAVE THE RIGHT TO USE THE WEAPONRY, AND EVEN TO KILL. AND HE WOULD BE RIGHT, AND IT MUST BE RIGHT FOR THE BELIEVERS, AND THEY SHOULD USE THE FIREARMS AN INAPPROPRIATE MANNER, AND THIS WOULD BE ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF ROMANS 13 AT FIRST PETER 5:8, AND YOU COULD USE FORCE TO PROTECT A FAMILY AND IT SAYS THIS, AND IF ANYBODY DOES NOT PROVIDE FOR HIS OWN, AND FOR THOSE OF HIS OWN HOUSEHOLD, HE HAS DENIED THE FAITH AND HE IS WORSE THAN AN UNBELIEVER.>>HERMAN: I THOUGHT THAT WAS THE GUY, THAT WOULD BE COLLECTING THE WELFARE AND NOT WORKING?>>DAVE: AND JUST THE WELFARE BUT ALSO, AT WORK WHEN YOU CAN, AND YES, THAT MIGHT NOT BE THE ONLY THING. AND IF HE WOULD BE AN INFIDEL, TO NOT PROVIDE FOOD WHEN YOU CAN, AND HE WOULD BE SIMILAR TO SAY, IT WOULD BE THE SAME THING IF YOU DO NOT PROTECT YOUR FAMILY WHEN YOU CAN. AND THIS PASSAGE COULD APPLY, TO A FATHER’S ROLE TO PROTECT THE FAMILY AND PROVIDE SAFETY FOR THE FAMILY. AND YOU KNOW THAT WOULD BE THE SAME, AND IF YOU DON’T FEED THEM. AND IF ANYBODY DOES NOT PROVIDE FOR HIS OWN, AND FOR THOSE OF HIS OWN HOUSE HE HAS DENIED THE FAITH AND HE IS WORSE THAN AN UNBELIEVER.>>HERMAN: AND WHAT IS THAT? AND THAT WOULD BE FIRST TIMOTHY 5:8, AND IF YOU WANT TO SIT AROUND THE HOUSE, LIVE ON COMPENSATION AND NOT PROVIDE FOR THE FAMILY?>>DAVE: AND THIS COULD APPLY TO MANY THINGS, AND THIS MIGHT BE, AND MAYBE THE SCRIPTURAL INSTRUCTIONS, THE GUIDANCE FOR THE FAMILY, AND YOU WOULD BE WORSE THAN AN INFIDEL, AND THE FAMILY WOULD BE DRIFTING. AND THIS COULD APPLY TO MANY THINGS AND ALSO SAFETY. AND PROVERBS 10:11 & 12.>>HERMAN: AND YOU COULD WRITE THIS DOWN AND YOU COULD GO, AND YOU COULD GO BACK AND READ THIS FOR YOURSELF, AND THE HOLY SPIRIT WILL BE YOUR DIRECTOR AND YOU CAN CHECK OUT EVERYTHING THAT WE DO, AND WE ARE NOT SAYING, THIS IS BLANKET AND YOU KNOW, AND WE ARE SO ANOINTED THAT WE COULD NOT BE WRONG AND YOU CAN CHECK IT OUT AND GO AHEAD.>>DAVE: AND THIS WOULD BE, AND WE WILL PROBABLY HAVE A LOT OF DISAGREEMENT AND AND PROVERBS IT SAYS, DELIVER THOSE WHO ARE DRAWN TO DEATH AND HELP THOSE WHO ARE GOING TO THE SLAUGHTER, AND IF YOU SAY WE DID NOT KNOW, AND FOR THOSE WHO UNDERSTANDS THE HEART, AND HE KNOWS IT, AND HE WILL RENDER TO EVERYONE ACCORDING TO HIS DEEDS AND THIS PASSAGE COULD BE APPLIED TO SAY, AND IF YOU HAVE A CITIZEN IN YOUR COMMUNITY, WHO IS ENDANGERED, AND ATTACKED, YOU HAVE THE OBLIGATION TO PROTECT THEM AND AT TIMES THAT PROTECTION MIGHT INVOLVE AND IT MIGHT REQUIRED THE USE OF A FIREARM OR A WEAPON AND THAT WOULD BE A BIBLICAL APPLICATION OF STEPPING IN TO SAVE A LIFE. AND THAT WOULD BE PROVERBS 10:11-12. AND THIS HELPS TO KEEP THIS FROM BEING ABUSED, AND FOR THOSE PEOPLE WHO READ KILLING THE DOCTORS AND BUFFALO, AND THEY USE THAT A VERSE, AND THEY SAY, I AM STEPPING IN TO PROTECT THOSE WHO ARE BEING SLAUGHTERED AND THE BABIES AND WOMEN, AND IF I CAN ELIMINATE THE DOCTRINE THAT WOULD BE A RIGHTEOUS CAUSE, BUT THIS WOULD KEEP THAT FROM THE WAY YOU WOULD INTERPRET IT. A BELIEVER SHOULD NOT USE A FIREARM TO PREVENT SUFFERING FROM PERSECUTION OR INTERVENTIONS OR IN HATRED. NUMBER TWO, A BELIEVER SHOULD USE A FIREARM WITH THE JUDGMENT SEAT OF CHRIST IN MIND.>>HERMAN: THE HOLD THAT WOULD THERE. AND CAN YOU READ THAT?>>DAVE: AND ROMANS 5 AND IT SAYS,>>HERMAN: I’M SORRY ROMANS 14?>>DAVE: AND THAT WOULD ALSO BE SECOND CORINTHIANS, AND THEY BOTH SAY, WE SHALL ALL STAND BEFORE THE JUDGMENT SEAT OF CHRIST AND WE WOULD GIVE THE ACCOUNT OF GOD FOR WHAT WE HAVE DONE. AND USING A FIREARM AND REMEMBER IT IS NOT THE GOVERNMENT THAT YOU WILL SPEAK TO, AND NOT YOUR CHURCH BUT HE WILL BE THE LORD AND IF YOU USE A FIREARM, AND YOU BETTER HAVE THE JUDGMENT SEED OF CHRIST IN MIND AND NUMBER THREE, IT SHOULD BE USED AS A LAST RESORT WHEN NO OTHER TIMELY OPTION WOULD BE AVAILABLE BECAUSE YOU CANNOT TAKE IT BACK. IT IS SUCH DEADLY FORCE AND MAKE SURE AND THIS IS THE ONLY OPTION AND IT IS REQUIRED TO PREVENT THE TRAGEDY FROM TAKING PLACE.>>HERMAN: AND WHEN WE, AND WHEN WE UNDERSTAND THAT INDIVIDUALS, AND FOR THE CHURCHES, AND THEY ARE GETTING FIREARMS, AND WOULD THAT BE DANGEROUS AND WHEN THEY HAVE A? AND I MEAN, YOU HAVE GOT A SCHIZOPHRENIC GUY COMING DOWN THE I’LL, THREATENING YOU AND HE IS THREATENING AND WHAT DO YOU DO?>>DAVE: AND THAT WOULD BE THE TRAINING, AND WE HAVE THREE LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS, AND THEY SEE THE OVER SECURITY TEAM, AND FOR THOSE WHO ARE NOT ON THE TEAM, AND THEY SHOULD NOT BRING THEIR GUNS TO CAMPUS AND WE WANT TO KNOW HOW TO RESPOND, AND THE WORST THING WOULD BE AND WE WOULD HAVE PEOPLE SHOOTING, AND WITH ALL OF THE OTHER PEOPLE IN THE WAY. AND IT REQUIRES PROFESSIONAL TRAINING, AND WHAT WOULD BE THE RAMIFICATIONS OF SHOOTING A GUN IN A CROWD? AND I WOULD NOT RECOMMEND EVERY CHURCH DO THIS AND I’M NOT SAYING THAT, BUT WE HAVE THIS, AND WE CAN MAKE IT HAPPEN AND IT MIGHT NOT FIT EVERY CHURCH.>>HERMAN: AND EVEN THE POLICE, THEY SHOOT INNOCENT PEOPLE FROM TIME TO TIME.>>DAVE: AND YES, AND WHEN GUNS ARE BROUGHT OUT AND DO BAD THINGS HAPPEN BUT THEY CAN ALSO PREVENT WORSE THINGS FROM HAPPENING, AND FOR THE DEER WOMAN IN COLORADO, AND THERE WAS A MAN THAT ATTACKED HER, AND SHE FIRED THE GUN IN THE LOBBY AND HIT THE MAN FIVE TIMES AND THEN HE KILLED HIMSELF AND HER WOUNDING HIM, AND THEN HE KILLED HIMSELF AND THAT PREVENTED, AND THERE COULD’VE BEEN HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE WHO COULD BEEN KILLED. AND THE GUN HAS POTENTIAL TO PROVIDE SAFETY AND PROTECTION BUT ALSO IT CAN BE A DEADLY INVENTION IN HUMAN HISTORY. IT WOULD BE THE HANDGUN.>>HERMAN: AND THE OFFICER WOULD BE TRAINED TO SHOOT TO KILL AND NOT TO WOUND, AND THEY SHOOT TO KILL.>>DAVE: IT HAPPENED SO FAST, AND YOU DON’T HAVE THE TIME, TO AND YOU SHOULD HIT THE MIDDLE OF THE BODY AND KILL THEM. AND THEY DON’T SAY TAKE YOUR BEST SHOT, AND THIS IS NOT THE WILD WEST, AND YOU SHOOT TO KILL AND IF YOU SHOOT AND THIS IS THE WAY THEY ARE TRAINED. AND A FIREARM SHOULD BE USED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE LAW OF THE GOD ORDAINED AUTHORITY OF YOUR COMMUNITY AND THAT WOULD BE NUMBER FIVE. AND WE SHOULD SUBMIT TO THOSE WHO ARE IN AUTHORITY IN THE GOVERNMENT, AND YOU NEED TO MAKE SURE, IF YOU USE A FIREARM, AND I BELIEVE YOU SHOULD HAVE A CONCEALED CARRY PERMIT.>>HERMAN: AND WE CAN SPEND SOME TIME HERE, AND A FIREARM SHOULD BE USED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE AUTHORITY OF THE COMMUNITY? AND HOW DO WE DETERMINE AND PLEASE STAY THERE, HOW DO WE DETERMINE, AND WITH GOD ORDAINED AUTHORITY? FOR THE COMMUNITY?>>DAVE: AND WHEN THEY FOLLOW THE PRINCIPLES OF ROMANS 13, THE ROLE OF THE GOVERNMENT AND THAT WOULD BE TO PROTECT THE RIGHTEOUS AND PUNISH THE EVILDOERS, AND TO EXALT THE RIGHTEOUS, AND PUNISH THE EVILDOERS. AND WHEN A GOVERNMENT FLIP SAID, AND WHAT FRANCIS SCHAEFFER WOULD SAY, THEY HAVE ABDICATED THEIR AUTHORITY, AND THEY HAVE SURRENDERED THEIR POSITION, AND THE LEADERS ARE ORDAINED OF GOD, BUT IT SAYS AND WHAT THEIR ROLE WOULD BE AND IF THEY DON’T DO IT, THEY ARE NOT ORDAINED BY GOD. AND THIS IS WHY IT WOULD BE JUST FOR THE CITIZENS OF THE REVOLUTION TO RESIST BRITAIN AND THEY HAD BEEN OPPRESSING THOSE WHO WERE DOING GOOD AND THEY REWARD THOSE WHO WERE DOING EVIL AND THEY WERE TERRORIZING, AND THAT WOULD BE THE, YOU KNOW, THEY WERE CAUSING TYRANNY, AND THEY WERE HOLDING UP FREEDOM.>>HERMAN: IT WOULD BE INTERESTING, THE CITIZENS AND FOR THOSE WHO WERE FIGHTING FOR THE FREEDOM, AND FOR THOSE IN ENGLAND, AND ALMOST AND THEY DESIRE TO HAVE THAT SAME LAW RIGHT HERE, DO YOU NOTICE IT? AND THEY WANT A RELIGION, AND THEY WANT ONE RELIGION, AND YOU MAKE SURE THAT YOU DO IT EXACTLY THE WAY AND MAYBE PRAYER WERE THE BIBLE, AND THEY WANTED THE AUTHORITY RIGHT HERE AND THIS WAS THE THING THEY WERE RUNNING FROM.>>DAVE: AND THIS IS THE WORLD AND THIS IS ALL WE HAVE EVER KNOWN, AND THIS IS HOW RADICAL OUR CONSTITUTION IS AND THESE MEN AND WOMEN HAD A MOMENT OF CLARITY AND THEY WOULD GO AGAINST THE THOUSANDS OF YEARS OF HUMAN HISTORY OF THE AUTOCRATIC GOVERNMENT, AND WITH ONE MAN DOING EVERYTHING. AND THESE PEOPLE HAD GROWN UP WITH IT AND THIS IS ALL THEY KNEW AND WHEN THEY WANTED A GOVERNMENT AND THEN SOME WISE THEM AND SAID, THIS IS THE LAST THING YOU WANT. YOU ARE GOING BACK TO WHERE YOU CAME FROM AND THANKFULLY THEY WON THE DAY, AND THEY RATIFIED THIS BY THE 50 STATES, AND WITH SOME CONDITIONS.>>HERMAN: AND THIS WAS GOD ORDAINED, AND THOSE WHO WROTE THE CONSTITUTION, AND YOU READ, THEY WERE PRAYING ON HER KNEES, AND THEY HAD THE WORD OF GOD OPEN, TO COME UP WITH A DOCUMENT THAT WOULD STAND AGAINST TIME, AND IT HAS, UNTIL AND WE ARE TEARING IT APART.>>DAVE: AND WHAT YOU JUST DID, AND THE CULTURE HAS PUT THE BIBLE SIDE, AND THE CONSTITUTION HAS NO FOUNDATION IT IS BASED ON THE UNDERSTANDING OF MAN, AND GOD AND THE ROLE OF THE GOVERNMENT.>>HERMAN: AND THIS IS WHAT WE ARE WE ARE A REPUBLIC?>>DAVE: AND YES WE ARE A REPUBLICAN NOT A DEMOCRACY.>>HERMAN: AND WHAT YOU NEED, AND WHAT YOU NEED TO DO TO KEEP THE REPUBLIC STRONG?>>DAVE: YOU NEED THE GOVERNING DOCUMENTS AND THEY SHOULD NOT CHANGE AND WE HAVE GOT TO ABIDE BY IT AND IT WOULD BE THE CONSTITUTION.>>HERMAN: AND LOOK AT ALL OF THE COUNTRIES THAT CHANGE THE CONSTITUTION AND MANY LIKE 13 TIMES.>>DAVE: AND A DEMOCRACY IS NOT STABLE, BUT A REPUBLIC WOULD BE STABLE, AND LIKE OUR FAITH, AND WE HAVE A CONSTITUTION THAT WOULD BE THE WORD AND WE CAN WITHSTAND ALL OF THE TEST OF THE THOUSAND YEARS OF HISTORY AND WE HAVE THE CONSTITUTION AND IT IS THE BIBLE. A FIREARM SHOULD BE USED WITH THE OBLIGATION OF THE OPPORTUNITY OF BEING AN AMBASSADOR FOR CHRIST. AND IF I’M GOING TO BE USING A FIREARM AND I HOPE I DO NOT, AND I HAVE GOT TO FIRST REMEMBER I AM AN AMBASSADOR FOR CHRIST, AND CAN I USE THIS AND BE TRUE TO MY CALLING AS AN AMBASSADOR OF CHRIST WHICH EVERY BELIEVER IS CALLED TO DO, AND THOSE THINGS AND IF WE COULD KEEP IN MIND THESE SIX THINGS, AND WITH A FREE CONSCIENCE WE COULD CARRY A FIREARM, AND WE CAN ASK FOR WISDOM, AND LORD, I PRAY THAT I WOULD NEVER BE IN A PLACE WHERE I HAVE TO USE IT BUT IF I DO GIVE ME THE COURAGE TO DO IT CORRECTLY AND HONOR GOD.>>HERMAN: AND SOMEBODY WATCHING MINE THEY NEED TO KNOW CHRIST.>>DAVE: AND WELL, IF YOU HAVE NEVER TRUSTED CHRIST AS SAVIOR YOU ARE MISSING OUT ON THE GREATEST FREEDOM AND LIBERTY AND THE RIGHT AND THE PROMISE THAT YOU COULD EVER HAVE. AND THOSE IN THE COUNTRY WHO SO BELIEVE IN THE FIRST AMENDMENT AND THE SECOND AMENDMENT AND THE CONSTITUTION IT IS A WONDERFUL THING IN THIS LIFE, BUT THE GREATEST FREEDOM WOULD BE THE FREEDOM TO BE FREE FROM SIN AND THE SLAVERY OF SIN AND HAVE THE PROMISE OF EVERLASTING LIFE AND A HOME IN HEAVEN AND TO BEW AND BE REGENERATED AND BE MADE ALIVE FOR THE FIRST TIME, AND ALL THAT WOULD BE AVAILABLE AND THE LORD JESUS CHRIST, AND THIS WOULD BE SO IMPORTANT, AND THE RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS, IT PALES IN COMPARISON TO THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE FREE FROM YOUR SINS AND TO HAVE ETERNAL LIFE AND TO HAVE YOUR SINS FORGIVEN AND YOUR CONSCIENCE TO BE CLEAR AND THE BIBLE SAYS IF YOU ARE IN CHRIST, YOU ARE A NEW CREATION AND OLD THINGS ARE PASSED AWAY AND ALLE NEW AND THAT WOULD BE THE CRY OF YOUR HEART AND FOR MORE THAN PERSONAL FREEDOM BUT IT WOULD BE PERSONAL FREEDOM THAT WOULD BE ATTAINED BY THE LORD JESUS CHRIST. AND MAY YOU BELIEVE IN HIM AND TRUST IN HIM TODAY.>>HERMAN: AND IF YOU WILL CONFESS THE LORD JESUS, AND BELIEVE IN YOUR HEART THAT GOD HAS RAISED HIM FROM THE DEAD, YOU SHALL BE SAVED. TRUST HIM. IT IS THE GREATEST DECISION THAT I HAVE EVER MADE IN 1958. IT WILL BE THE GREATEST DECISION YOU HAVE EVER MADE IN 2014 AND GOD BLESS YOU AND BYE-BYE.>>CAPTIONED BY THE STAFF AT CTN. ♪>>MUSIC ♪>>MUSIC ♪>>MUSIC ♪>>MUSIC ♪>>MUSIC ♪>>MUSIC

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