Enhancing Identity Verification and Border Processes Legislation Bill- Second Reading – Video 4
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Enhancing Identity Verification and Border Processes Legislation Bill- Second Reading – Video 4


we know the eyes heaven outer space and high-altitude activities bill third reading call on government order of the day number two enhancing identity verification and border processes legislation bill interrupts a debate on second reading when we were last considering this bill Stewart Nash was on his feet he had nine months and 30 seconds but seeing he was so nice to me and the doesn’t work in the other way you have ten minutes rather you give me five look it’s this is this is a subject that is not nearly as inspirational or as inspirational as the last one that there’s no doubt about this and I remember I was watching the second hand tick and I’m sure it got to 12 when I had to jump up and I got I got 20 seconds so I got 26 and when I was talking about mr. speaker as this bill came out of a series of systems failures that allowed Philip John Smith who is one of the more despicable people in our jails he is a pedophile and then he when he went back to to abuse the kid again this kid’s father tried to shield them and he murdered this guy’s father I mean like I said he’s one of the more despicable me and I have ever read about in our country but he managed to get away luckily for us he’s as thick as two short planks and the reason I say that is he actually got across to South America but then they caught him pretty quickly and they send him back here and you know it’s good they could catch him and it’s good they sing them back and they did seen them back here however a little wee part of me wishes they just spent you know a couple years on the South American Joe but anyway that’s that’s another that’s a story for another day mr. speaker what this does is that this this is about a whole lot of recommendations that came out of the report written based on Philip John Smith’s escape it is a shame I must admit it’s a shame that it took in it’s unlikely that for us to you know to provide the impetus to do this because they were obvious system flaws before Philip John Smith escaped or as he wouldn’t have been able to escape but often in the way away with this government is they are very reactive if a situation happens then they go goodness me this has captured the public imagination they do a poll and they realize I need to do something about it but here we are it is going to make the system a better one of that there’s no doubt the report that was written about Philip John Smith’s escape it did detail a series of failures in the handling of the incident by corrections by justice by customs internal affairs so this wasn’t just a no because because of a man escape it wasn’t just the fold of customs you’ve got to remember this guy ended up getting a passport for goodness sake obviously with a fighter with a whole lot of here because he we as a work but corrections was noted headstrong and adequacies in the way it administered temporary releases and I can imagine actually when Philip John Smith ended up back in prison there was some other prisoners who weren’t terribly happy because corrections actually changed the rules and it meant that what’s the technical to me if you’re surely they leave outside the wire you know what I’m trying to say release to work those schemes were they put a ban on those immediately and then they tightened up on those and I actually think that release to work schemes are a good idea I must admit we need to end up in a way that bitterly integrates people back into the community one thing I am very very critical of our career not just Corrections but our whole society is you know and in 2005 the corrections budget was around about five hundred twenty six million this is the operational budget it’s now close to one point four billion dollars so in 12 years we are now spending about 900 million dollars a year more keeping people locked up than we did 12 years ago so there has at some point been some sort of systemic failure but I do think we locked too many people up but that’s beside the point what we do need to ensure is that Jarrell’s of course have to be places of incarceration but they also need to be places of rehabilitation and and I in the evidence points to the fact that that actually isn’t happening in a way that’s allowing prisoners to to get out and at least have a chance of being productive I remember when we had the the CEO of Corrections in our slit many he told us actually that 62% of prisoners that walk through the prison door every single year have an existing mental health and/or addiction issue and there are 14,000 Kiwis that are in jail for six months or longer every year so that’s about 8,500 people into prison for six months or longer that have a mental health and/or addiction issue and I said to the the CEO I said to him so are you at least got the plans and the processes in place so when these people get out of jail they’ve got a chance at least a chance of being productive members of society and you what he said and yeah I wouldn’t believe it I’ve got the transit transcript he said I don’t think we’re that ambitious I don’t think we’re there ambitious that isn’t it it’s an admission that what we are doing in this country is locking up people and throwing away the key and when we find the key six months 12 months 18 months later we’re letting them go and they’re a little bit better there are a little bit sadder and we wonder why in six months time we see them back in jail that we have one of our highest recidivism rates in the in the OECD and that’s something we’ve got to change and it’s not necessarily quicksands fault I mean they’re not the ones who are locking people up for longer and longer but they are the ones responsible for administering it and what I would really like to see us getting back to a different way of administering justice you know what we’ve what’s happened is we’ve become a much more punitive society we as opposed to a comparison society that we once wore we’re now saying the solution is lock them up as opposed to saying the solution is to find what will work or understanding the issues of where people were why people are ending up in the criminal justice system and you know compassion versus punitive I I think we need to go back through capacity and when you think mr. speaker when you believe that it costs us a hundred thousand dollars a year to keep one man in jail I just wonder if we couldn’t be better spending that money elsewhere and solutions as opposed to as opposed to the locking think about back to the bill thank you for allowing me to stand on my soapbox for five minutes about corrections and police did also note in the report they wrote around the Philip John Smith incident that they didn’t have access to basic information such as birth dates and marriages records which would have assisted them and building essential profile around offenders and the reason I say that is as members will have noticed that when sometimes when someone’s arrested or they’re looking for someone they will say you know John Jones sometimes known as Bob Brown or sometimes known as you know Jim Smith and so the the prosecution works in there the name that they are current that the prisoner or the the person being prosecuted or arrested carries at that point in time that’s one that goes forward into the system so if the name that the person’s being arrested under or prosecute under is Jim Jones but he was born with the name of John Smith then that information isn’t captured and I think this is what Philip John Smith used to get his passport and so in this day and age and the 21st century of big data of these massive databases when you know IRD spending 1.3 billion dollars and every other man’s dog every other ministry spending literally millions and millions what we do expect I think what the voters certainly expect what New Zealand’s expect is that we we put the systems in place that allow our databases to at least talk to each other in a meaningful way that are going to keep our community safe now the reason I mentioned that is Philip John Smith went over was it I think was Argentina he went overseas okay what would have happened if he had actually gone into Hawke’s Bay or New Plymouth or or somewhere else and continued in his nefarious ways or if he decided I’m going to go for the guys that murdered that put me in jail because you know he did murder the father of the son he had abused what if he’d gone and sought revenge so in a way we were like it he didn’t do that in a way we were lucky he did hit overseas but all I’m saying is that what he did it well what the scam did show is it exposed a whole lot of flaws that this bill will actually remedy I’m sure there were 30 recommendations that were made by the inquiry the Ministry of Justice Amy Adams headed at the time of the release agreed to 34 they said I say 30 there were 39 recommendations she had agreed to 34 of these so what I would say is that the minister actually was very serious she took on board a lot of the recommendations because she understood the fact that this is important as do we it’s why we’re supporting it Kelvin Davis my good colleague Kelvin Davis at the time of the reports really said that it paints a pretty farcical scenario of how complete lack of information across government agencies allowed for Smith to apply and receive a passport of the name and that he hadn’t used since he was a child Kelvin also noted that it highlighted deficiencies in the identity information and he you know Kelvin just went on the the clear incompetent way that he did to say that things need to change it’s why we’re supporting this bill and and it will be good to see it go through because the last thing we want is another Philip John Smith in our communities like I said we’re lucky he was as thick as two short planks and we caught him pretty quickly we got him back in jail and may he be there for the rest of his life but may there also be the last time someone uses such a scam to escape and on that note mr. speaker I’ll just say we do support this thank you very much Tim appear tomorrow to hurry

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