Enhancing Identity Verification and Border Processes Legislation Bill- Third Reading – Video 11
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Enhancing Identity Verification and Border Processes Legislation Bill- Third Reading – Video 11


them I certainly support it thank you freakin Stewart Ness Thank You much mr. speaker of course we support this bill and anything that keeps keeps community safe we’re obviously going to support well there are first of all let me have a look at the let’s go through the problem definition and how this came about we know in November 2014 a prisoner serving a life sentence for murder he was a convicted pedophile he escaped New Zealand while on a temporary work released from prison and he was arrested in Brazil and returned to Israel people say this man was intelligent I think was as thick as two short planks anyone who gets arrested in Brazil there’s something terribly wrong with their plan I think was his arrogance was his undoing which is sort of characterized his whole life so let’s not let’s not say that this man was intelligent because it was anything but in fact he’s a predator who should be you know anyway let’s leave it there the other thing is the Privacy Act meant that it was very difficult well the project determined how agencies clicked and stored data what they can what they can share it cetera and the Privacy Act at this point wasn’t didn’t allow a sufficient level of sharing to optimize keeping prisoners or keeping the police and other agencies well-informed so that was changed and the other thing of course is there are legislative and technical barriers that hinder information sharing so what this bill does is it looks to rectify the situation that allowed someone like the gentleman we have mentioned to escape that I suppose the concern I have mr. speaker in lexicon don’t get me wrong completely supporting this bill is when I looked at the original regulatory impact statement it highlighted a number of issues the first one was that the Ministry of Justice had limited opportunities for detailed agency consultation what they actually said this ministry of justice and I quote we have not had sufficient time to collect definitive information from agencies regarding their information needs but we have worked closely enough with key agencies to gain clarity for the purpose of designing legislative mechanisms they said they hadn’t been they had been unable to consult with the Privacy Commissioner they said that the scope of change for the purposes of the analysis restricted to identity verification they said the Smith trainer review made useful evidence available but its scope was limited they also said they had not been able to assess the defenders of fiscal cost that may result from the options now the reason I point this out mr. speaker is that one of the reasons of course the bill goes to the Select Committee is because it allows the experience to submit or just KiwiSaver who have an interest in us to submit in front of MPs and make sure that the the bill that goes through first reading can then be brought up to you know to speed yet select committee process but I think we ran a bit of a risk if what we do is sort of say okay we have had an issue here the minister has investigated she’s came out with 39 recommendations we must rush this through it’s a little bit knee-jerk I suppose mr. speaker and it is a shame that after nine years it actually took a serious incident for this sort of bill to be drafted I mean we understood the issues we know the problems that might have been highlighted by a particular case but Mr Speaker these existed for a long time and I think it we’ve got to be really careful and this government is pretty early but we have to be really careful that we don’t write legislation in the media fashion like when I read the regulatory impact statement I sort of got the impression that that might have happened but luckily there was a good sleep committee that it went through and I think the bill is now up to scratch and it’ll achieve the purpose that it was that was supposed to achieve we do acknowledge that the system surrounding offender and prisoner management needed amending in updating are the key parts of the bill a common-sense changes which will allow government departments to bear to share information and I and I suspect mr. speaker that a lot of New Zealanders didn’t realize that in fact these agencies couldn’t share information in the first place and when we understand the role of the Privacy Commissioner and we definitely know that information has to be kept private because of its shared for nefarious means or or any other means then it could end up creating unintended consequences and we certainly don’t want that but what we do want I think and what we require which is what this bill of course addresses is agencies to be able to share information that will allow a them to do their job better and be to make sure that our communities are safe and that this does address that the the inquiry actually into the escape of the man whose name I shall not mention did show a chain of failures by government departments and a lot of those actually could have been Simon my understanding of the of the incident report into this as a simple telephone call could have in fact prevented this so whilst this bill puts a lot of checks and balances in place to make sure this doesn’t happen again we also need to understand that those who are responsible for implementing this the men and woman on the front line actually understand the processes and they are followed in a way that is robust and and retains the integrity of our prison system in our court system and our other agencies that deal with these sorts of characters their inquiry into and into this chips escape did show that the levers of vigilance and communication could have been a lot better now you can’t legislate for that mr. speaker you really can’t and the people aren’t talking to each other or agencies aren’t talking to each other or communicating even though the processes and procedures are there then this isn’t going to stop this so I’m one thing that we do need to know and I and I do admit I wasn’t on the slip committee so I’m assuming this has been communicated but the does need to be a set of procedures in place or the staff that are responsible for implementing these procedures do need to understand what their roles are when a prisoner was out on for example work release etcetera etc I mean my understanding is that is the victim of the crime wasn’t even notified that this chap had was on work release or at escaped there were no you know there were no comprehensive systems in place where internal affairs were supplied with information about new zealanders not allowed to leave the country yeah it didn’t note that the police deal with the information we’ve got in front of them but we do know that often these these criminals will change their name simply to avoid the sort of checks we’re talking about so again this needs to be flagged with internal affairs and the police and corrections at the appropriate time and as soon as is practical so you know we’re not just dealing with a with a John Smith or a Clive Smith or whatever we’re actually dealing with the person under whom and I’m birth did some marriages has an information on his corrections noted that it had strong inadequacies in the way that administered temporary release I suspect that this chap has now had to spend a lot of time in solitary confinement not because he you know he was a bad boy and ran away to Brazil but simply because a lot of temporary releases were cancelled at the time and and the prisoners who were actually using these or we’re on temporary release for the right reasons i integrating them back into the community which is what we want mr. speaker there’s no doubt about that those were cancelled and I think that was probably a bad thing there’s no doubt about that so what I would just say the summer mr. speaker is we do support this we support anything that keeps our communities safe and we support any bill or any measure that actually allows various agencies to communicate in a way that is meaningful that drives efficiencies but most importantly keeps once again our community safe thank you very much the speaker I called Todd Muller thank you mr. speaker and I right

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