Star Trek: Picard Discussion! – Offworld Episode 33
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Star Trek: Picard Discussion! – Offworld Episode 33

welcome back to offworld the show where
we talk about all things space exploration and pop culture I’m Ariel
Waldman and I’m norm Chen and Ariel today well we’re gonna be talking about
the long awaited and highly anticipated premiere of Star Trek the card we are
definitely very excited here we’re doing a friends of tested episode and we are
diving into this first premiere episode of Star Trek Picard so we definitely
have spoilers about this first episode you should watch the episode first on
CBS all access before you listen we’re not gonna go beat by beat throughout the
episode really we’re gonna be talking about the world-building of Star Trek
but it really is gonna be for fans I’m so excited let’s get started okay so
we are all chomping at the bit with this one at Star Trek Picard just premiered
we’ve all seen it we’re all Trek fans and yeah on the show today it’s myself
norm and to shore and we also have a very special bottle of the card wine
because Shore do you want to talk about this before we jump into it we can’t
talk Picard without a nice beverage this one was made in 2386 at Chateau Picard
in France a year very good vintage for this wine so this
was a promotional wine that was put out recently and by recently I mean 300
years in the future to celebrate the premiere of Star Trek Picard you can
hear the wine being poured if you’re listening to the podcast yeah we’re
gonna drink while talking about it but not because we’re sad but because it’s a
celebratory wine this is a show we’ve been waiting for for a very long time
came on nowhere really when they announced they’re doing it and now we
see like not only what the show is about but kind of really why feels like why
they’re did the show why Patrick Stewart came back and brought back this
character it’s beloved captain now retired ex Admiral retired from
Starfleet and what story threads he wants to conclude in his narrative arc
yeah well so cheers to that get started on this all right so my first question
most important question especially for people who haven’t seen Star Trek Picard
yet and maybe are just about to dive into it or debating diving into it or
debating paying for diving into it do you need to be a super Trekkie to enjoy
Star Trek Picard now I say this with knowing that both of you are probably
super Trekkies and I’m more on the you know definitely fan but not encyclopedic
no I think you’re gonna say you’re more of a trekker I have two feelings about
this I think great Star Trek you don’t need the backstory because it’s their
character studies with an optimistic view towards the future typically so in
that vein I think once we get into this season and it gets rolling I expect that
to be true of this series as well that being said oh you should watch some
TNG because otherwise you’re gonna miss sort of the back story that I think sets
up his character and where he is in his life right now because without watching
some episodes of TNG where you see him as he was it makes it harder to
understand who he is now the relationships that they had he had with
the crew you know data specifically I think is a big part of this show but
there plenty of new characters as well I think even if you’re a die-hard Star
Trek fan or just a casual a Star Trek fan you’re gonna kind of go into this
season premiere a little bit confused cuz they throw you right in and I think
the bigger thing is that unlike Star Trek next generation will not aired and
there were some serious storylines in that two-parters this is
not gonna be like an episode you know villain of the week mystery of the week
it is like with Star Trek discovery a season-long plot that is episode episode
episode strung together and that’s probably the bigger thing this evening
consideration yeah I mean you definitely have to watch some next generation to
sort of have context that said as being on the casual side of a Star Trek fan
you know I grew up watching TNG I grew up watching Picard loved it I can’t say
that I’ve recently up on it and I can’t say that I’ve
watched you know some of the movies that technically the plot like intertwines
into this timeline and I say you know having just watched you know TNG when it
was on TV more often like I felt like I was able
to still enjoy this and still get enough of it like maybe I’m missing a few
details here there but I didn’t feel like wait you know what’s that about and
who’s this and what’s you know so I feel like if you’ve been like a casual
watcher of it like you can still jump in but if you’re wanting to like really
dive deep then yeah you might want to refresh if you don’t know who’s on Luc
Picard is the legend and frankly I actually don’t think you need to watch a
bunch of TNG episodes even though that’s kind of what I did I think if you watch
the movie nemesis I think that gives you most of what you need to dive in with
enough background on who these people are their relationships to give you a
grounding as rewarding on both of senses because die-hard Star Trek fans will
appreciate all the the subtle Easter eggs and the dot connecting that the
show does even in the season premiere but if you don’t want to kick those
thoughts you can enjoy the acting because turns out Patrick Stewart’s a
wonderful actor and his performance here he’s he’s running on all cylinders yeah
yeah absolutely so jumping right into like the core of the first episode
because we’re just talking about the first premiere episode today I was
really interested because you know a huge part of this episode is about
synthetics creatures for lack of a better term humanoids essentially
that are like data kind of it’s unlike maybe lesser forms of data slightly but
you know data like you know humanoids and sort of what happened and there’s a
lot of talk about what what did happen and where they are now for me watching
it there was a lot of parallels to Blade Runner because in Blade Runner there’s
the context of you know all these replicants are promised as servants and
offworld colonies and then they’re no longer the replicants are no longer
allowed on earth because they mutant need
similarly in this first episode synthetics mutinied and bombed Mars and
a lot of people died ninety thousand people died as a result and now we’re in
this world where synthetics and the idea of them is like hugely debated and
really sets the stage for what the whole plot and topic area is for this first
episode what were your thoughts on it I mean as a kid watching the next
generation I was really fascinated by the difference between an Android and a
cyborg or a cybernetic organisms maybe have some biological tissue and in Star
Trek next generation you have the Borg as kind of the the earth cyborg and then
you add the perfect Android which was data artificial human and data
represented for the show the the character that was finding the his
humanity and it’s the classic Star Trek trope the least biologically physically
human character ends up being the most human you know Spock data and so on and
so you have that those things coming together I think in this show and
opportunity to explore those and also it like you said reminding you of Blade
Runner it also reminded me of Battlestar Galactica and what it meant for you know
the analogy of Cylons then being indistinguishable from humans and in
this case androids being in a Singlish boat from humans I think there’s no
doubt based on this first episode that we know this series is gonna tackle that
question of what it really means to be human what it means to belong we know
from interviews that Patrick Stewart is done he said he was attracted to the
script partly because of this sort of tension between like who belongs who
doesn’t that he saw parallels in brexit with it attracted him to this story and
so I can only imagine that what we see as we progress through the storyline is
more and more of that and I wonder if it’s gonna take the shape of what it
means to be sentient which is kind of a phrase we heard thrown around this
premiere episode or if they’re gonna try to try to take it in a different
direction at all because we’ve had a lot of
discussions and sci-fi about that question of sentience and some just
masterpieces in science fiction that have tackled that like ex machina of
recent memory dealing with that in a really
exceptional way so I wonder if it’s gonna be a twist or if we’re gonna lean
into that just whole heart heartedly and that’s what this story is gonna be about
yeah well and what about the the science of it like you know about this idea that
a lot of times in sci-fi it seems androids are created and then they help
us you know settle on Mars why is it that we need or like why do you think
this keeps coming up like this idea of putting in a storyline that we have
these androids and they are specifically helping us on another planet I love that
too the great question there is why do they even need to look like humans
right because with a lot of these scientists that we’ve talked to in past
episodes you know really talk about robots being kind of the way we get
around distance between stars and making space travel practical it’s not going to
be necessarily humans as we understand now but robots that do the traveling for
us or the work in this case for us but they’re really leaning into the
mythology that Star Trek is built in that the goal isn’t just a robot but the
robot that somehow still has the humanoid form factor maybe has maybe
they but are designed to have some type of sentience but that’s not really
necessary even if you’re talking about just labor yeah and frankly I don’t
think they’re being used in Star Trek in this like pure we need to get stuff done
they’re like members of the crew that like hang out at like ten-forward and
stuff and like data used to make drinks all the time as this hobby it’s not
exactly what you would call like useful quote unquote so I think that this is
probably gonna have a different flavor I think it’s just a a pure writing
mechanism to have us reflect on the humanity that exists and so they’re not
really even looking at it from the the science standpoint it makes no sense to
me from a science standpoint frankly I was designing like Androids like as
I didn’t look at it as these are our beings that have rights I don’t think I
would imagine designing them in the way we see in the story but there is
definitely in this episode like a lot of science consideration when it comes to
ethics so all of the synthetic research and sort of neurobiology hacking that
had been getting done to like build better and better synthetic humans got
cancelled you know and we see inside their lab that it’s just a ghost town
and it’s empty like what do you think about the fact that you know it is
actually you know querying the ethics side of this and that you know there’s
the the humanity side of this of like who’s human and not but then there’s the
science side of like how much should they be you know creating these you know
neural you know beings I think ethics is probably the thematic
thing that they’re challenging here but from a plot perspective I would say
that’s almost the politics of the world and it’s something we’ve seen in
starship before you know the cloaking technology for example was something
that was banned for use in warfare now it’s purely a practical political
decision to make you know to make the sides equal that could have been that
feels like that’s more the case here like synthetics flat-out ban because of
the fear of these type of rogue attacks yeah but I feel like it has parallels to
like a lot of science hacking Oh totally being done today you
know I would imagine based off the cliffhanger that we saw we’re gonna be
headed in that direction and we may may want to hold off on talking about that
cliffhanger but given just sort of the advanced technology we saw towards the
end of the episode I imagine we’re going to delve more into that interface and
there’s probably going to be that classic Star Trek mumbo-jumbo that shows
up to explain some of the science but I think that they kind of have to they’ve
kind of painted themselves this plot line where you’re gonna have to get into
this place where we delve into like dissensions and they’re like who they’re
playing with in terms of can I just mention who’s at the at the end at this
point yeah I mean like by bringing the Borg
into this I think they you were definitely they’re
definitely gonna straddle that line we’re gonna get there but I think what
we’ve seen so far I agree with norm is much more on the political side of
things so far yeah I’d like to see them a little more nuanced in terms of this
idea of like AI and sentience and you know because we do see AI taking place
on earth it’s just not physically independent humanoid sort of robots but
you know AI hasn’t been banned so clearly there’s like shades of gray
right being explored when the card went to the archives to find the painting and
he was being guided into the archives I thought that was an Android I thought it
was a synthetic and it turned up to be a hologram but it looked like you and
imagine what a robot would look like as portrayed in the Star Trek yeah so it’s
this interesting sort of future where we’re not worried about AI in terms of
what it can do unless it has a physical form almost I mean norm you brought this
up in another discussion we had like the EMH from Voyager the emergency medical
hologram central character had a whole episode about this kind of theme that
like Holograms even have potential sentience and rights and ethics to them
so are they gonna delve in it or they gonna stay in this narrow window of just
the synthetics for this I think given the 10 episode run we’re probably gonna
see them narrowly focus towards the synthetics just because a plot but I
think that whole landscape is open to them yeah so you both brought up
politics a lot let’s dive into that politics of Starfleet and like what
we’re learning about like where like you know Picard leaving Starfleet and kind
of getting an idea of where the politics are currently like I saw one take on
they’re not saying this is the most political TV show on you know on right
now I was like well I don’t necessarily agree with that yeah I don’t agree with
that but Star Trek was the most political show in the 60s yeah when it
came on so it’s always made statements I feel like this is not different than
that it’s front and center in that interview when the interviewer says you
know but Romulan lives and he says no lie
that’s about as political statement as you can get and that theme has been
throughout every Star Trek series we’ve seen they’ve battled against that theme
over and over again so I don’t see this as being different yeah it just feels
really close to modern-day activities that are happening now and and Patrick
Stewart said as much yeah in that sense I think it’s a little bit
different than the kind of the vision that Gene Roddenberry set up for Star
Trek the Utopia of of the Federation which was really kind of a level playing
field for then you know a canvas to have stories that then were clear analogues
to what was happening in the 60s in the real world right issues of race and
politics and but that idea is ripe to peel back and behind every utopia is you
know perhaps a dark side and it’s been explored and passed our Trek but it’s
it’s clearly you know the the the perfection of Starfleet is something
that isn’t taken for granted anymore this is a place that’s probably most
uncomfortable for me about this series because John Luke Picard that I remember
and I want to be very cautious about saying this that I remember was such a
bastion for hope such a bastion of morality and and just fighting for for
the things that humanity cares about the most and its core and the Picard we see
is very different now he’s broken and I worry that this series by delving into
that you know non utopian sort of more realistic future we’ll break that that
spirit of who we knew John Lee Picard to be you know I miss the optimistic parts
of Star Trek and I hope that comes shining through in some way even on like
some of the series where there was war there’s still that note of optimism and
that really wasn’t what discovery has been about to this point but I think you
know I think you see it a lot of optimism I mean you can view it through
a different lens but in some of the world building you know you still have
this super utopia you know sort of cities
you’re saying you’re not at least in the first episode they’re not showing slums
they’re not showing you know the earth is like really dire or that we’ve been
encased in fire for years or anything like that you know you’re seeing these
beautiful Star Trek you know Starfleet like cities you know
that that maybe show that you know you’re still in this delightful universe
but maybe they’re trying to juxtapose that against you know some of the
decisions I’ve been made politically to make that happen or the keep-keep that
existing yeah and and when you’ve seen like in the in the Star Trek the history
like the fake history of the future like they went through a war three and earth
was in shambles until they discovered more technology and that was the promise
you achieve warp technology then you get to join the federal you know this the
shared that’s technologies between culture and such a cult of Zefram
Cochrane over here and then that was like the promise of the Federation I
didn’t expect card to not be in Starfleet I retired yes but the idea
that he left that really but and maybe they’re trying to tell a generational
story and maybe we’ll get exposed to later what who comprises Starfleet today
because that’s also something we haven’t really seen yeah we saw like the era of
Kirk and the era of you know TNG ds9 and Voyager but in the same way that in the
real world there are differences between you know the baby boomers and
Millennials and not that the values aren’t the same but the way they
manifests and the way the world changes you know the way people they’re
different and maybe we’ll see and find the optimism reveal itself in a
different way in a more maybe pragmatic way in the future of Star Trek yeah so I
mean I guess going into a slightly different angle was there any tech or
things that you saw in the first episode that really delighted you things that
were what I liked the evolution of is we’re so used to tablet type displays
from TOS through TNG Voyager ds9 we finally got more of like the
holographic heads-up type displays in how they were communicating I actually
thought that was an neat little touch for that was a nod to
like yes Star Trek laid the groundwork for like the iPad essentially but you
know the iPad was 10 years ago so it was like a nice little and sort of Nod of
evolution in tech there I really like their depiction of the archives the fact
that you still need even though you have Holograms and you have you know
databases of things you didn’t go somewhere for a physical archive and the
way they had you know they’re the folding covers and the the librarian
whatever that character was to the archivist it’s a guide card through like
that was that was a cool place yeah I thought it was interesting I mean it was
perhaps the most you know showy tech in the first episode they sort of a are
glasses that they put on dodge at the beginning and they’re sort of seemingly
scanning through her brain to like try and find out you know her information
and I thought was interesting that they like they physically put something kind
of over each ear or kind of in front of each eye as glasses and then an AR sort
of glasses sort of emerges from that and it allows them to scan so again just an
interesting thing that we didn’t see that much of in the original sort of
Picard they seem to amp up the transporter I like I like those like
whoever though those like rogue like assassins are they seem to be like
transporting wherever they want to go so I wonder if there’s something there with
that like more site-to-site kind of transporter level kind of stuff that
we’re gonna see we even saw in one of the fights one of the assassins get
transported sort of like mid getting kicked over a rail so I’m curious like
I’ve always loved the transporter any of the conversations around buffers I’m in
on all of those episodes Heisenberg compensators in so I really want to see
if they do something with that I’ll be really curious to see if there will be a
ship because every Star Trek show as much as it’s about a crew of one of the
characters is the ship that they they’re on even with these space 9 the the
station and then also the defiant and while card is not no longer captain
you know will he have a crew will there be a ship is that’s I’m yeah okay so my
final question is you know what would you say that
Star Trek Picard actually adds to the Star Trek universe you know obviously we
know it’s an evolution and I was going further down the timeline but as a show
as a show that’s like adding to the plethora of things all things Star Trek
that exists what is the unique thing that it’s adding to this portfolio
there’s two things and it’s sort of a continuation
I think ds9 is the first Star Trek that I watch that had longer arcs of stories
to it they had season-long arcs but still in that sort of contained episodic
way and then when we got to Discovery we got kind of more of that sort of
season-long we have a confined ten episode story it’s set in the future so
that’s one like the continued evolution of that form of storytelling but more
importantly it’s so much slower it’s so much more focused on one person at least
this point like it’s the small thing I’m used to Star Trek being about the galaxy
and I love this contained Star Trek as a different way of telling these like
personal stories and it’s not I’m hopping on my ship and racing over to
this thing or there’s this huge you know galaxy ending event that’s gonna happen
so I’m really excited about that entry to the genre I think that’s what
enterprise that initial show was really trying to do but never quite kind of hit
the note for me um I’d like that I’ve shown a lot more of Earth and we don’t
typically see a lot of what earth looks like in the 24th century now new and
25th century here in in Star Trek and mostly it’s you know we see sorry for
the Academy Starfleet headquarters but now we’re hopeful we could see a little
bit more of you know what the people on earth are doing as
there are fleets out there on these five-year ten-year missions exploring
the galaxy on the home front did they ever build any more housing in
San Francisco yeah you can live on well not Mars you can live on the moon
yeah well I mean that’s one of the things I like about this show is that
you get that sort of interplay of Mars and Earth more so yeah you’re you’re
back home but you get to sort of get that context of like well how did they
really set up the solar system you know if everyone’s out there on these ships
and there is a short Trek out there called children of Mars that shows a
little bit more context of like what happened on Mars just a little bit a
tiny taste so that’s really fascinating well anyway thank you both so much for
being on the show today and thank you for bringing the card wine this is
lovely thank you John Luke well just like this
wine Ariel I thought that conversation was pretty good like I love diving into
all this stuff and I I think you know at least our little mini panel of
discussion represents you know me who’s on the casual Star Trek side to you and
Kosh or who are definitely deep in the thick of Star Trek geekery but you know
the thing that I liked as a casual fan of this episode so much was that they
just dive right into everything and they explained everything and they have
characters reveal different information that they discover throughout the whole
episode so really they don’t like tease it out and make you wait for someone to
tell someone else about what they’ve discovered they really explained it all
so that you just can’t hit the ground running and just have fun in this new
world of Star Trek and I thought that was really great there’s plenty of new
stuff new characters that they’re unveiling that together will kind of
learn and go on this 10-week journey and it’s ten episodes but I’m also looking
forward to reading about the Easter eggs things that are gonna be for Star Trek
fans and hopefully that’s something that new fans will be able to enjoy as well
the context behind all these relationships and all these things they
mentioned will possibly be coming back to Star Trek Picard in the future as the
show ends and recapping the entire series but you can always watch offworld
on not only the YouTube channel but also to it as a podcast Oscoda tested comm
/off world and that’s where we’ll see you next time you


  • Craig Forrest

    As a fan of all original Star Trek shows, this was only slightly less disappointing than Star Trek Discovery. It’s only one episode in so I’ll give it a chance but the heart and soul of original Treks seems gone.

  • Thorsten Wulff

    Don't bother with it. It's not the same universe as TNG was. It is Alex Kurtzmans Bad Robot Kelvin Timeline. So it is a bastard child of Star Trek 2009 and Discovery. If you were a fan of TNG and the real Jean-Luc Picard, or just fond of good Storytelling, do yourself a favor and leave it alone.

  • David Noel

    My son hates Star Trek and has refused to watch any of the other series. I tricked him into watching this yesterday and now he is 10 episodes into TNG

  • .

    They retconned so many episodes from TNG and not in a good way, also there is to much modern day politics involved. It's definitely not the TNG universe that's for sure, it's that shitty Kelvin timeline. So no you don't have to watch TNG at all for this, it's actually better if you don't. But it's the first episode we will see what it's gonna give. Not gonna pay for it and that's for damn sure.

  • Matt Graham

    Loved it. I've watched the entire trek catalogue and this pilot most certainly felt like star trek in terms of tone. I could feel the respect for the character and franchise. A giant leap forward in the right direction in my opinion. Let's see if they can maintain the rest of the season.

  • TheWoWMagician

    There has been one episode. Are people forgetting that when saying that the show sucks already? We barley learned anything about how the world has progressed in 20 years.

  • Dean Sturgess

    Wow, so much hate in the comments for this. anyone saying this is too political must not have been paying attention to trek up til now! It's nice to watch star trek that feels like it actually is a continuation of what we've had before and not a retcon. People change and some very bad things have happened. In a nutshell the series is "What if the horror story that Picard and Guinan were talking about in 'Measure of a Man' actually came true"

  • Dirty Duck

    I was told my Patrick Stewart this show is about Trump and Brexit and that it's not for men of my race. That sounded appalling but he said it. For that reason I cannot watch Star Trek 🙁 and I subbed your channel yesterday, but now you're reviewing this racist and sexist TV show so I now have to unsub you.

  • omegatotal

    The AI in the archives seen appeared to be pretty restricted and no really an AI, but just a human shaped voice activated interface. less AI more console application with a skin.

    Kinda add's to the theme of anti-synthetic/etc.

  • Johnny Wednesday

    It's pretty hard not to see similarities with how the Earth government were behaving in Babylon 5 vs how we've seen starfleet portrayed in Picard. It feels like they're setting Picard up for a Sheridan like plot arc?

  • david woodward

    Oh mon Dieu… never clink without imbibing🙄.
    Big cheers to Ron Moore's set up from TNG to BSG for deepening the serious TV portrayal of what it means to be fully alive, without machinery getting in the way.

  • rmeddy1

    I thought it was a serviceable premiere but I should've gone in blind because most of the promo material was in this, so there was very little new there for me.

    I felt they should've gone with the two-parter and introduce everyone but I felt it left off as a halfway point more than an endpoint of the episode.

  • Murph's Models

    If I understand correctly: Star Trek androids are now grown using DNA; are fleshlike and indistinguishable from humans; some don't even know they're androids until they get "activated"; and they're called "Synths". So basically it's Fallout 4 in space. Better keep an eye out for Coursers from the Institute's Synth Retention Bureau.

  • Firescale

    Love the premise of the show but it was clear that Stewart flubbed a few lines and was told "Hey: it's cool, Picard is old as fuck too".

    Also that pair at the end of the episode are obviously being set up as the "tortured romantic couple", which is unfortunate.
    Unfortunate because they have as much on screen chemistry as a pool of vomit.

  • Kyle Ruggles

    Are you guys playing UP Picard? It was horrible… Kurtzman… hello? Does anything on this show make sense? Why did they go back to their old uniforms? I mean Picard had a cane… then it's gone and he was walking FAST in the next scene for a 90yo apparently? Like.. I could go on and on and you guys pretty much avoided talking about THE SHOW. What Romulan/Reptile spits venom that blows ups people? and Picard doesn't go to the medical bay and wakes up back home? like… wtf? The pacing was all off, nothing makes sense! Clone Android DNA from a single cell? WTF!?

    Is this paid content or something? I'm saddened to watch this. This is NO LONGER Star Trek. Does anyone remember Gene Roddenberry?? Anyone talk about him? hmm? His vision?

    It's gone! It's 1 episode and it "may" get better, but do we feel that Discovery is Star Trek? that it maintain's Gene's vision? Why did you guys completely avoid all of this?

  • Line Snapper

    👎🏼 for even thinking about this before so many have seen Picard and giving out spoilers to those that do like to troll timelines & ruin programmes for others before they get a chance to watch it themselves. How could you do this?

  • PiDsMedia

    So, Synthetics are Gynoids, Data was an Android (so is the T-800 btw), the Borg are Cyborgs (duh),…. Let's just see if they turn the Synthetics in to Boomers, or if Lal turns up somewhere.

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  • James O’Loughlin

    I never interpreted Star Trek as portraying a utopia. Just a much better life here on Earth and humanity got most of its act together and matured. Off Earth we got 99 problems.

  • James O’Loughlin

    Good tech; Some good examples of holographic Interfaxes and true use of AR like the reporter applying makeup.
    Keeping artifacts in a transporter buffer type storage.

    Bad interface visual design though. Typical maximalists holographic Interfaxes we’ve seen in many sci-fi stuff past 15 years.

  • PissPoorPete

    The opening scene, watching him get premonitions then suddenly wake up was very 'First Contact'. I liked it so much, it hit me right in the nostalgia.

  • Eliot Brown

    C'mon, Kishore, if an android is indistinguishable from a human, why not assume human-centric rights? I think then, the ethics is about patent application…
    And you guys– don't be so mealy-mouthed about spoilers– jump in with both feet. Good show.

  • Vaio San

    Although overall I liked the episode they should choose other composer. Not the Jeff Russo of Discovery. Big mistake.
    I don't like so much the intro and definitely I don't like at all the outro.
    And I miss the narration in intro. Narration that had with the Legend Kirk Star Trek TOS and Star Trek the next generation with the Legend Picard.

  • TreadingTheBoards

    For further discussion on why robots / androids are built in humanoid form, have a look at Isaac Asimov's Robot series of novels from the 1950's.
    I can see a little bit of these stories in the way Roddenberry created Data.
    Edit:- I think in a small way, Roddenberry wanted Data and any further androids to be based on Asimov's 3 (now 5) Laws of Robotics where no robot can harm a human being or cause a human being to come to harm.
    It looks like this new series is ignoring that early premise by having rogue synths destroy and kill.

  • Karl Lundblad

    "It's ironic, isn't it?

    All this magnificent technology, and we still find ourselves

    susceptible to the ravages of old age, loss of dignity, the slow betrayal

    of our bodies by forces we cannot master." ` Captain Jean-Luc Picard (Stardate: 43917.4)

  • Olafur Jon Bjornsson

    first impression, its fan fiction, that happens in the ST universe, but is not Star Trek, if it not going to be episodic in space its is just that.

  • Cloxxki

    French is but my 4th language, and I'm a beta. Still, I bet my French pronunciation would be more convincing giving a day's practing than this lauded actor who's portraying someone living in France, have French ancestry.
    Otherwise, his acting was quite good I much say. Non-French speaking critics think his delivery was amazing, perhaps because he sounds like them faking it, first try.

  • Curtis B

    Not sure why this myth of "Not Rodenberry's Optimistic Trek"/"Dark Trek" is being incorrectly mentioned and repeated. Trek was never the Pollyanna existence where everyone and everything within the federation was all unicorns and rainbows all the time. Every single version of Trek was constantly about conflict and had regular failures of leadership and Federation brass vs our crew. And even for individuals, there is always conflict (let's not forget how Picard got his artificial heart) but Trek is how you work through it towards ideals.
    Here we see nothing about Federation being "dark" or lacking the optimistic view that we associate with Trek future. We are just presented with a Picard that is in a lower place than he has been due to realities of getting old, his quitting Starfleet because of major disagreement (not even the first time he's done this..), and the reality that he is retired on a farm he never wanted to be on and isn't someone who is ever going to be good at being retired. But we see him start to come out, the 'fight for what is right' still within him in his interview, and the importance of bonds of your chosen family begins to pull him out of this low spot.
    The federation still seems to be a relative utopia. Everything we saw makes it look like it is still a place for all sorts of species living in relative harmony. This, like most Trek, is going to be about our hero's conflict to help make those Trek ideals a reality for others and themselves.

  • Syrus54

    I hate picard!!! Hes a traitor and a felon!!! How has he not been executed yet!? He openly MUTINIED AGAINST AN ADMIRAL OF THE FEDERATION!!! Fuck Picard !

  • Carlos Araya

    But the opposite is also true… the fact that he decided to take action and do something gives you hope that something will good will happen. Now he has a purpose again and I would love to see what made him lose hope

  • Warren Goodwin

    and we already saw the sentence moral grounds were Data was put on that trial to determine his life in one of the TNG episodes

  • Chelsea Young

    A lot of Next Gen focused on the line between artificial and real life. I'd hope Picard brings a new conversation to the table

  • Tim Ogul

    It's this funny thing in sci-fi that they're always building robots that are basically humans, and then questioning what ethical responsibility we have to treat them as humans. That's sort of a stupid question. It is unethical to build a thing that can think like a human, and then not treat it like a human, with all the rights a human would have. But the solution to that is not to build robots that think like humans and then grant them civil rights, the solution is to never build robots that think like humans in the first place. There's no point to it. You build intelligent AIs, sure, but you build them in a way that they would never have any reason to want the rights of a human, you build them to not even consider those principles, or be capable of considering those principles. So long as they don't want to be treated equally, there's no reason they should be.

  • Mike Vande Bunt

    "I hope there will be a ship." If you watched The Ready Room (and you really should) you would have seen the "exclusive" trailer for episode 2 in which we see that while there IS a ship it seems to be a private ship rather than a Star Fleet vessel.

  • N Kos

    i suppose that in the future robots will be treated like "beings" and not like "things", given that we will start to treat animals (and women in some regions) like living beings and not like things!

  • Jasin Tairaidrissi

    I find it strange that in a time where you can locate someone and teleport them exactly to where you want them to be, you still go through the hustle to kill the boyfriend ( with a knife of all things ) and send a group of killers with the risk of the "Robot" activating her fighting skills and kill everyone and get away…..very strange, there I said it!!!!!!

  • somthingbrutal

    just glad to see something that feels like trek to me, as i really did not like the whole kelvin universe and made it about three episodes into discovery before walking away

  • John Cripps

    A great show which i loved….And I cried that Kishore did not twist the bottle after the last pour to stop the drips!!!!

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