Steven Spielberg, Doris Kearns Goodwin & Tony Kushner Discuss “Lincoln” at The Richmond Forum
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Steven Spielberg, Doris Kearns Goodwin & Tony Kushner Discuss “Lincoln” at The Richmond Forum


WELCOME.
>>[APPLAUSE]
>>OUR TOPIC THIS EVENING >>[APPLAUSE]
>>OUR TOPIC THIS EVENING
BRINGING HISTORY TO LIFE ON >>OUR TOPIC THIS EVENING
BRINGING HISTORY TO LIFE ON
FILM. BRINGING HISTORY TO LIFE ON
FILM.
TALKING SPECIFICALLY ABOUT FILM.
TALKING SPECIFICALLY ABOUT
THE PROCESS OF BRINGING TALKING SPECIFICALLY ABOUT
THE PROCESS OF BRINGING
LINCOLN TO THE BIG SCREEN. THE PROCESS OF BRINGING
LINCOLN TO THE BIG SCREEN.
SO I SUPPOSE WE SHOULD START LINCOLN TO THE BIG SCREEN.
SO I SUPPOSE WE SHOULD START
AS ALWAYS WITH THE WORD. SO I SUPPOSE WE SHOULD START
AS ALWAYS WITH THE WORD.
EACH OF YOU HAVE LIVED WITH AS ALWAYS WITH THE WORD.
EACH OF YOU HAVE LIVED WITH
ABRAHAM LINCOLN NOW FOR A EACH OF YOU HAVE LIVED WITH
ABRAHAM LINCOLN NOW FOR A
VERY LONG TIME SO I START ABRAHAM LINCOLN NOW FOR A
VERY LONG TIME SO I START
WITH DORIS. VERY LONG TIME SO I START
WITH DORIS.
WHEN DID YOU FIRST BECOME WITH DORIS.
WHEN DID YOU FIRST BECOME
OBSESSED WITH LINCOLN? WHEN DID YOU FIRST BECOME
OBSESSED WITH LINCOLN?
>>[LAUGHTER] OBSESSED WITH LINCOLN?
>>[LAUGHTER]
>>I THINK WHEN I WAS A >>[LAUGHTER]
>>I THINK WHEN I WAS A
LITTLE GIRL, I WAS CONNECTED >>I THINK WHEN I WAS A
LITTLE GIRL, I WAS CONNECTED
TO THE PART OF THE STORY LITTLE GIRL, I WAS CONNECTED
TO THE PART OF THE STORY
WHERE HIS MOTHER DIED WHEN HE TO THE PART OF THE STORY
WHERE HIS MOTHER DIED WHEN HE
WAS YOUNG AND HE LOVED TO WHERE HIS MOTHER DIED WHEN HE
WAS YOUNG AND HE LOVED TO
READ, BECAUSE MY MOTHER USED WAS YOUNG AND HE LOVED TO
READ, BECAUSE MY MOTHER USED
TO READ TO ME EVERY NIGHT, READ, BECAUSE MY MOTHER USED
TO READ TO ME EVERY NIGHT,
AND SHE DIED WHEN I WAS TO READ TO ME EVERY NIGHT,
AND SHE DIED WHEN I WAS
YOUNG, SO IT HAD NOTHING TO AND SHE DIED WHEN I WAS
YOUNG, SO IT HAD NOTHING TO
DO AT THAT POINT WITH THE BIG YOUNG, SO IT HAD NOTHING TO
DO AT THAT POINT WITH THE BIG
THINGS, SLAVERY AND DO AT THAT POINT WITH THE BIG
THINGS, SLAVERY AND
EMANCIPATION BUT SORT OF AN THINGS, SLAVERY AND
EMANCIPATION BUT SORT OF AN
EMOTIONAL CONNECTION BUT EMANCIPATION BUT SORT OF AN
EMOTIONAL CONNECTION BUT
FINALLY AFTER HAVING WRITTEN EMOTIONAL CONNECTION BUT
FINALLY AFTER HAVING WRITTEN
ABOUT A SERIES OF OTHER FINALLY AFTER HAVING WRITTEN
ABOUT A SERIES OF OTHER
PRESIDENTS IT SEEMS LIKE THE ABOUT A SERIES OF OTHER
PRESIDENTS IT SEEMS LIKE THE
MOBY DICK TO TRY AND GO INTO PRESIDENTS IT SEEMS LIKE THE
MOBY DICK TO TRY AND GO INTO
ABRAHAM LYNN SON. MOBY DICK TO TRY AND GO INTO
ABRAHAM LYNN SON.
IT WAS TERRIFYING AND AT ABRAHAM LYNN SON.
IT WAS TERRIFYING AND AT
FIRST I THOUGHT I’D WRITE IT WAS TERRIFYING AND AT
FIRST I THOUGHT I’D WRITE
ABOUT MARY AND ABE. FIRST I THOUGHT I’D WRITE
ABOUT MARY AND ABE.
IT TOOK THREE YEARS TO GET TO ABOUT MARY AND ABE.
IT TOOK THREE YEARS TO GET TO
THIS BUT I’VE NEVER REGRETTED IT TOOK THREE YEARS TO GET TO
THIS BUT I’VE NEVER REGRETTED
A MOMENT OF THE YEARS I SPENT THIS BUT I’VE NEVER REGRETTED
A MOMENT OF THE YEARS I SPENT
LIVING WITH THAT CHARACTER. A MOMENT OF THE YEARS I SPENT
LIVING WITH THAT CHARACTER.
WE’VE ALL SAID WE MISS HIM LIVING WITH THAT CHARACTER.
WE’VE ALL SAID WE MISS HIM
WHEN HE’S GONE. WE’VE ALL SAID WE MISS HIM
WHEN HE’S GONE.
>>YOU GOT TOLD OF TEAM OF WHEN HE’S GONE.
>>YOU GOT TOLD OF TEAM OF
RIVALS AS A WORK IN PROGRESS. >>YOU GOT TOLD OF TEAM OF
RIVALS AS A WORK IN PROGRESS.
I GUESS THE QUESTION WOULD BE RIVALS AS A WORK IN PROGRESS.
I GUESS THE QUESTION WOULD BE
HAD YOU ALREADY PLANNED TO DO I GUESS THE QUESTION WOULD BE
HAD YOU ALREADY PLANNED TO DO
A FILM ON LINCOLN? HAD YOU ALREADY PLANNED TO DO
A FILM ON LINCOLN?
OR WAS THE MIN U SCRIPT THE A FILM ON LINCOLN?
OR WAS THE MIN U SCRIPT THE
IMPETUS? OR WAS THE MIN U SCRIPT THE
IMPETUS?
>>I HAD NO PLANS AT ALL TO IMPETUS?
>>I HAD NO PLANS AT ALL TO
DO ANYTHING ON LINCOLN. >>I HAD NO PLANS AT ALL TO
DO ANYTHING ON LINCOLN.
SINCE CHILDHOOD I HAD AN DO ANYTHING ON LINCOLN.
SINCE CHILDHOOD I HAD AN
ENDLESS FASCINATION WITH THE SINCE CHILDHOOD I HAD AN
ENDLESS FASCINATION WITH THE
MYSTERIOUS PERSONA OF ABRAHAM ENDLESS FASCINATION WITH THE
MYSTERIOUS PERSONA OF ABRAHAM
LINCOLN BEYOND WHAT MY MYSTERIOUS PERSONA OF ABRAHAM
LINCOLN BEYOND WHAT MY
TEACHERS WERE TELLING ME, LINCOLN BEYOND WHAT MY
TEACHERS WERE TELLING ME,
WHICH WASES AND TIMES AND TEACHERS WERE TELLING ME,
WHICH WASES AND TIMES AND
PLACES AND FIGURES, BUT WHICH WASES AND TIMES AND
PLACES AND FIGURES, BUT
NOTHING REALLY ABOUT THE MAN. PLACES AND FIGURES, BUT
NOTHING REALLY ABOUT THE MAN.
YET, I WAS REALLY INSATIABLY NOTHING REALLY ABOUT THE MAN.
YET, I WAS REALLY INSATIABLY
CURIOUS ABOUT WHAT I DIDN’T YET, I WAS REALLY INSATIABLY
CURIOUS ABOUT WHAT I DIDN’T
KNOW ABOUT THE MAN, HOW KIND CURIOUS ABOUT WHAT I DIDN’T
KNOW ABOUT THE MAN, HOW KIND
HE LOOKED, WHAT GREAT THINGS KNOW ABOUT THE MAN, HOW KIND
HE LOOKED, WHAT GREAT THINGS
HE DID, BUT SO LITTLE TO BE HE LOOKED, WHAT GREAT THINGS
HE DID, BUT SO LITTLE TO BE
KNOWN ABOUT HIM, EVEN THOUGH HE DID, BUT SO LITTLE TO BE
KNOWN ABOUT HIM, EVEN THOUGH
THERE’S 14,000 BOOKS WRITTEN KNOWN ABOUT HIM, EVEN THOUGH
THERE’S 14,000 BOOKS WRITTEN
ABOUT HIM. THERE’S 14,000 BOOKS WRITTEN
ABOUT HIM.
I HAD HARDLY READ TWO AT THE ABOUT HIM.
I HAD HARDLY READ TWO AT THE
TIME, WHEN DORIS CAME ON A I HAD HARDLY READ TWO AT THE
TIME, WHEN DORIS CAME ON A
PANEL THAT I WAS MODERATING, TIME, WHEN DORIS CAME ON A
PANEL THAT I WAS MODERATING,
HAVING TO DO WITH TRYING TO PANEL THAT I WAS MODERATING,
HAVING TO DO WITH TRYING TO
FIGURE OUT THE LAST 100 YEARS HAVING TO DO WITH TRYING TO
FIGURE OUT THE LAST 100 YEARS
FOR THE MILLENNIUM. FIGURE OUT THE LAST 100 YEARS
FOR THE MILLENNIUM.
>>WHICH MEANS THIS HAPPENED FOR THE MILLENNIUM.
>>WHICH MEANS THIS HAPPENED
IN THE LAST CENTURY. >>WHICH MEANS THIS HAPPENED
IN THE LAST CENTURY.
>>THE LAST CENTURY! IN THE LAST CENTURY.
>>THE LAST CENTURY!
>> 1999! >>THE LAST CENTURY!
>> 1999!
>> ’99. >> 1999!
>> ’99.
AND DURING OUR COFFEE BREAK, >> ’99.
AND DURING OUR COFFEE BREAK,
I HAD DORIS WHAT SHE WAS AND DURING OUR COFFEE BREAK,
I HAD DORIS WHAT SHE WAS
WORKING ON, SHE SAID WELL, I HAD DORIS WHAT SHE WAS
WORKING ON, SHE SAID WELL,
I’M WORKING ON A BOOK ABOUT WORKING ON, SHE SAID WELL,
I’M WORKING ON A BOOK ABOUT
THE LINCOLN PRESIDENCY, AND I I’M WORKING ON A BOOK ABOUT
THE LINCOLN PRESIDENCY, AND I
REMEMBER ASKING YOU IF THE THE LINCOLN PRESIDENCY, AND I
REMEMBER ASKING YOU IF THE
FILM RIGHTS WERE AVAILABLE. REMEMBER ASKING YOU IF THE
FILM RIGHTS WERE AVAILABLE.
>>THEN HE SAID CAN WE SHAKE FILM RIGHTS WERE AVAILABLE.
>>THEN HE SAID CAN WE SHAKE
HANDS ON IT? >>THEN HE SAID CAN WE SHAKE
HANDS ON IT?
AND I WAS LIKE OH, NO, HANDS ON IT?
AND I WAS LIKE OH, NO,
THERE’S LIKE A THOUSAND AND I WAS LIKE OH, NO,
THERE’S LIKE A THOUSAND
STEVEN SPIELBERGS AROUND WHO THERE’S LIKE A THOUSAND
STEVEN SPIELBERGS AROUND WHO
WANT TO MAKE LINCOLN! STEVEN SPIELBERGS AROUND WHO
WANT TO MAKE LINCOLN!
I WAS SO EXCITED. WANT TO MAKE LINCOLN!
I WAS SO EXCITED.
>>AND THEN I REMEMBER, YOU I WAS SO EXCITED.
>>AND THEN I REMEMBER, YOU
WOULD CALL ME UP WHEN YOU >>AND THEN I REMEMBER, YOU
WOULD CALL ME UP WHEN YOU
WERE MAKING OTHER MOVIES AND WOULD CALL ME UP WHEN YOU
WERE MAKING OTHER MOVIES AND
RELAXES, AND YOU WERE JUST WERE MAKING OTHER MOVIES AND
RELAXES, AND YOU WERE JUST
LIKE TELL ME WHAT KIN CON DID RELAXES, AND YOU WERE JUST
LIKE TELL ME WHAT KIN CON DID
— LINCOLN TODAY AND THEN YOU LIKE TELL ME WHAT KIN CON DID
— LINCOLN TODAY AND THEN YOU
TED I’M OPTIONING IT, I’M — LINCOLN TODAY AND THEN YOU
TED I’M OPTIONING IT, I’M
BUYING IT, FORGET THE HAND TED I’M OPTIONING IT, I’M
BUYING IT, FORGET THE HAND
SHAKE WE HAD IN 1999. BUYING IT, FORGET THE HAND
SHAKE WE HAD IN 1999.
>>EXACTLY. SHAKE WE HAD IN 1999.
>>EXACTLY.
YOU WERE LIVING WITH HIM FOR >>EXACTLY.
YOU WERE LIVING WITH HIM FOR
SO LONG! YOU WERE LIVING WITH HIM FOR
SO LONG!
AND YOU WEREN’T EVEN DOING SO LONG!
AND YOU WEREN’T EVEN DOING
BEHIND VICTOR’S BACK. AND YOU WEREN’T EVEN DOING
BEHIND VICTOR’S BACK.
>>HE WAS GLAD TO HAVE BEHIND VICTOR’S BACK.
>>HE WAS GLAD TO HAVE
ABRAHAM LINCOLN IN THE BED. >>HE WAS GLAD TO HAVE
ABRAHAM LINCOLN IN THE BED.
>>I GUESS THE QUESTION TO ABRAHAM LINCOLN IN THE BED.
>>I GUESS THE QUESTION TO
TONY WOULD BE, DID YOU HAVE >>I GUESS THE QUESTION TO
TONY WOULD BE, DID YOU HAVE
RESERVATIONS ABOUT TACKLING TONY WOULD BE, DID YOU HAVE
RESERVATIONS ABOUT TACKLING
THE OVER 700 PAGES FINALLY RESERVATIONS ABOUT TACKLING
THE OVER 700 PAGES FINALLY
WRITTEN BY DORIS? THE OVER 700 PAGES FINALLY
WRITTEN BY DORIS?
>>I DON’T THINK I REALLY HAD WRITTEN BY DORIS?
>>I DON’T THINK I REALLY HAD
RESERVATIONS BECAUSE I KNEW >>I DON’T THINK I REALLY HAD
RESERVATIONS BECAUSE I KNEW
FROM THE BEGINNING THAT THAT RESERVATIONS BECAUSE I KNEW
FROM THE BEGINNING THAT THAT
WAS COMPLETELY IMPOSSIBLE, FROM THE BEGINNING THAT THAT
WAS COMPLETELY IMPOSSIBLE,
AND SO — WAS COMPLETELY IMPOSSIBLE,
AND SO —
>>[LAUGHTER] AND SO —
>>[LAUGHTER]
>>ONE OF THE FIRST >>[LAUGHTER]
>>ONE OF THE FIRST
CONVERSATIONS THAT STEVEN AND >>ONE OF THE FIRST
CONVERSATIONS THAT STEVEN AND
I WHEN STEVEN SAID THAT HE — CONVERSATIONS THAT STEVEN AND
I WHEN STEVEN SAID THAT HE —
AFTER WE HAD WORKED ON MUNICH I WHEN STEVEN SAID THAT HE —
AFTER WE HAD WORKED ON MUNICH
AND STEVEN ASKED ME IF I AFTER WE HAD WORKED ON MUNICH
AND STEVEN ASKED ME IF I
WOULD BE INTERESTED IN AND STEVEN ASKED ME IF I
WOULD BE INTERESTED IN
LOOKING AT TEAM OF RIVALS AND WOULD BE INTERESTED IN
LOOKING AT TEAM OF RIVALS AND
MAKING THIS ADAPTATION, LOOKING AT TEAM OF RIVALS AND
MAKING THIS ADAPTATION,
STEVEN HAD ALREADY SORT OF MAKING THIS ADAPTATION,
STEVEN HAD ALREADY SORT OF
WORKED OUT THAT YOU WOULD STEVEN HAD ALREADY SORT OF
WORKED OUT THAT YOU WOULD
NEED TO HAVE A SERIES AS LONG WORKED OUT THAT YOU WOULD
NEED TO HAVE A SERIES AS LONG
AS GUNSMOKE TO BEGIN TO — I NEED TO HAVE A SERIES AS LONG
AS GUNSMOKE TO BEGIN TO — I
THINK WITHOUT ANY AS GUNSMOKE TO BEGIN TO — I
THINK WITHOUT ANY
EXAGGERATION YOU COULD MAKE A THINK WITHOUT ANY
EXAGGERATION YOU COULD MAKE A
10, 12-PART MINI SERIES ABOUT EXAGGERATION YOU COULD MAKE A
10, 12-PART MINI SERIES ABOUT
ANY WEEK OF LINCOLN’S 10, 12-PART MINI SERIES ABOUT
ANY WEEK OF LINCOLN’S
PRESIDENCY AND YOU WOULDN’T ANY WEEK OF LINCOLN’S
PRESIDENCY AND YOU WOULDN’T
HAVE TO PAD IT AT ALL. PRESIDENCY AND YOU WOULDN’T
HAVE TO PAD IT AT ALL.
I MEAN, IT WAS SO HAVE TO PAD IT AT ALL.
I MEAN, IT WAS SO
RIDICULOUSLY OVERFULL WITH I MEAN, IT WAS SO
RIDICULOUSLY OVERFULL WITH
INCREDIBLY DRAMATIC EVENTS RIDICULOUSLY OVERFULL WITH
INCREDIBLY DRAMATIC EVENTS
AND AMAZING CHARACTERS. INCREDIBLY DRAMATIC EVENTS
AND AMAZING CHARACTERS.
SO THERE’S A REAL AND AMAZING CHARACTERS.
SO THERE’S A REAL
EMBARRASSMENT OF RICHES. SO THERE’S A REAL
EMBARRASSMENT OF RICHES.
AND WHEN STEVEN FIRST ASKED EMBARRASSMENT OF RICHES.
AND WHEN STEVEN FIRST ASKED
ME TO DO IT, HE HAD ALREADY AND WHEN STEVEN FIRST ASKED
ME TO DO IT, HE HAD ALREADY
DECIDED NOT TO DO ANY OF THE ME TO DO IT, HE HAD ALREADY
DECIDED NOT TO DO ANY OF THE
BATTLES. DECIDED NOT TO DO ANY OF THE
BATTLES.
>>RIGHT. BATTLES.
>>RIGHT.
>>SO THAT IMMEDIATELY MEANT >>RIGHT.
>>SO THAT IMMEDIATELY MEANT
THAT THERE WAS A COMPRESSION >>SO THAT IMMEDIATELY MEANT
THAT THERE WAS A COMPRESSION
AND CONDENSATION THAT WAS THAT THERE WAS A COMPRESSION
AND CONDENSATION THAT WAS
START TO HAPPEN. AND CONDENSATION THAT WAS
START TO HAPPEN.
>>HOLLYWOOD’S TREATMENT OF START TO HAPPEN.
>>HOLLYWOOD’S TREATMENT OF
HISTORY HAS OFTEN BEEN >>HOLLYWOOD’S TREATMENT OF
HISTORY HAS OFTEN BEEN
CHALLENGING, ESPECIALLY WHEN HISTORY HAS OFTEN BEEN
CHALLENGING, ESPECIALLY WHEN
IT COMES TO AMERICAN HEROES, CHALLENGING, ESPECIALLY WHEN
IT COMES TO AMERICAN HEROES,
AND THE CIVIL WAR. IT COMES TO AMERICAN HEROES,
AND THE CIVIL WAR.
TO YOU AGAIN TONY, DID YOU AND THE CIVIL WAR.
TO YOU AGAIN TONY, DID YOU
FEEL CHALLENGED WHEN YOU HAD TO YOU AGAIN TONY, DID YOU
FEEL CHALLENGED WHEN YOU HAD
TO WEIGH IN ON THIS, AND FEEL CHALLENGED WHEN YOU HAD
TO WEIGH IN ON THIS, AND
REALLY HAD TO CONDENSE THIS TO WEIGH IN ON THIS, AND
REALLY HAD TO CONDENSE THIS
HISTORY INTO A SCRIPT FORM? REALLY HAD TO CONDENSE THIS
HISTORY INTO A SCRIPT FORM?
AS YOU MENTIONED, THERE WAS HISTORY INTO A SCRIPT FORM?
AS YOU MENTIONED, THERE WAS
SO MUCH MATERIAL. AS YOU MENTIONED, THERE WAS
SO MUCH MATERIAL.
>>YEAH, I MEAN, MY FIRST SO MUCH MATERIAL.
>>YEAH, I MEAN, MY FIRST
DRAFT WAS 500 PAGES LONG. >>YEAH, I MEAN, MY FIRST
DRAFT WAS 500 PAGES LONG.
IT WOULD HAVE — DRAFT WAS 500 PAGES LONG.
IT WOULD HAVE —
>>550. IT WOULD HAVE —
>>550.
BUT WHO’S COUNT SOMETHING. >>550.
BUT WHO’S COUNT SOMETHING.
>>AND 300 OR SOMETHING OTHER BUT WHO’S COUNT SOMETHING.
>>AND 300 OR SOMETHING OTHER
PAGES THAT WEREN’T PART OF >>AND 300 OR SOMETHING OTHER
PAGES THAT WEREN’T PART OF
THAT DRAFT. PAGES THAT WEREN’T PART OF
THAT DRAFT.
AND SO THE 500 PAGE DRAFT, THAT DRAFT.
AND SO THE 500 PAGE DRAFT,
550 PAGES, WOULD HAVE MADE IT AND SO THE 500 PAGE DRAFT,
550 PAGES, WOULD HAVE MADE IT
10 OR 11-HOUR — SO — 550 PAGES, WOULD HAVE MADE IT
10 OR 11-HOUR — SO —
>>[LAUGHTER] 10 OR 11-HOUR — SO —
>>[LAUGHTER]
>>SO I THINK WE AGREED ON A >>[LAUGHTER]
>>SO I THINK WE AGREED ON A
PRINCIPLE FAIRLY SOON AFTER >>SO I THINK WE AGREED ON A
PRINCIPLE FAIRLY SOON AFTER
WE STARTED, WHICH IS THAT IF PRINCIPLE FAIRLY SOON AFTER
WE STARTED, WHICH IS THAT IF
WE COULD FIND A MOMENT THAT WE STARTED, WHICH IS THAT IF
WE COULD FIND A MOMENT THAT
CONTAINED ALL THE MAJOR WE COULD FIND A MOMENT THAT
CONTAINED ALL THE MAJOR
THEMES OF THE LINCOLN CONTAINED ALL THE MAJOR
THEMES OF THE LINCOLN
PRESIDENCY, BECAUSE AFTER THEMES OF THE LINCOLN
PRESIDENCY, BECAUSE AFTER
READING TEAM OF RIVALS AND PRESIDENCY, BECAUSE AFTER
READING TEAM OF RIVALS AND
CONTINUING TO DO RESEARCH, READING TEAM OF RIVALS AND
CONTINUING TO DO RESEARCH,
YOU START TO GET A SENSE THAT CONTINUING TO DO RESEARCH,
YOU START TO GET A SENSE THAT
THERE WERE MAJOR THEMES THAT YOU START TO GET A SENSE THAT
THERE WERE MAJOR THEMES THAT
EMERGED AND THAT HE DEALT THERE WERE MAJOR THEMES THAT
EMERGED AND THAT HE DEALT
WITH THOSE THEMES OVER AND EMERGED AND THAT HE DEALT
WITH THOSE THEMES OVER AND
OVER AGAIN, THE NEED TO MAKE WITH THOSE THEMES OVER AND
OVER AGAIN, THE NEED TO MAKE
THE UNION — TO PRESERVE AND OVER AGAIN, THE NEED TO MAKE
THE UNION — TO PRESERVE AND
PROTECT THE UNION AND BRING THE UNION — TO PRESERVE AND
PROTECT THE UNION AND BRING
THE SOUTHERN STATES INTO THE PROTECT THE UNION AND BRING
THE SOUTHERN STATES INTO THE
UNION AND ABOLISH SLAVERY AND THE SOUTHERN STATES INTO THE
UNION AND ABOLISH SLAVERY AND
SORT OF DO THAT BALANCING ACT UNION AND ABOLISH SLAVERY AND
SORT OF DO THAT BALANCING ACT
AS ONE OF THE MAJOR THESE, SORT OF DO THAT BALANCING ACT
AS ONE OF THE MAJOR THESE,
AND WE STARTED TO LOOK FOR A AS ONE OF THE MAJOR THESE,
AND WE STARTED TO LOOK FOR A
MOMENT IN HIS PRESIDENCY THAT AND WE STARTED TO LOOK FOR A
MOMENT IN HIS PRESIDENCY THAT
WOULD CONTAIN ALL THOSE MOMENT IN HIS PRESIDENCY THAT
WOULD CONTAIN ALL THOSE
THINGS AND GIVE US A CHANCE WOULD CONTAIN ALL THOSE
THINGS AND GIVE US A CHANCE
TO MOVE IT AT A PACE THAT’S THINGS AND GIVE US A CHANCE
TO MOVE IT AT A PACE THAT’S
DETERMINED MORE BY DRAMA THAN TO MOVE IT AT A PACE THAT’S
DETERMINED MORE BY DRAMA THAN
BY NEEDING TO COVER THIS DETERMINED MORE BY DRAMA THAN
BY NEEDING TO COVER THIS
ENORMOUSLY COMPLICATED BY NEEDING TO COVER THIS
ENORMOUSLY COMPLICATED
HISTORY. ENORMOUSLY COMPLICATED
HISTORY.
AND WHEN WE FOUND THE 13TH HISTORY.
AND WHEN WE FOUND THE 13TH
AMENDMENT, WHICH IS A STORY AND WHEN WE FOUND THE 13TH
AMENDMENT, WHICH IS A STORY
THAT MOST PEOPLE DIDN’T KNOW AMENDMENT, WHICH IS A STORY
THAT MOST PEOPLE DIDN’T KNOW
AND WHICH INVOLVED A CERTAIN THAT MOST PEOPLE DIDN’T KNOW
AND WHICH INVOLVED A CERTAIN
AMOUNT OF ACTION THAT NO ONE AND WHICH INVOLVED A CERTAIN
AMOUNT OF ACTION THAT NO ONE
HAS ANY RECORD OF, THAT AMOUNT OF ACTION THAT NO ONE
HAS ANY RECORD OF, THAT
HAPPENED BEHIND THE SCENES, HAS ANY RECORD OF, THAT
HAPPENED BEHIND THE SCENES,
THAT FELT LIKE IT WAS A HAPPENED BEHIND THE SCENES,
THAT FELT LIKE IT WAS A
REALLY GREAT PLACE FOR THAT FELT LIKE IT WAS A
REALLY GREAT PLACE FOR
HISTORICAL DRAMA TO TAKE OVER REALLY GREAT PLACE FOR
HISTORICAL DRAMA TO TAKE OVER
FOR HISTORY. HISTORICAL DRAMA TO TAKE OVER
FOR HISTORY.
>>STEVEN, WERE THERE ANY FOR HISTORY.
>>STEVEN, WERE THERE ANY
MUST-HAVES THAT YOU FELT THAT >>STEVEN, WERE THERE ANY
MUST-HAVES THAT YOU FELT THAT
RELATED TO THE STORY THAT YOU MUST-HAVES THAT YOU FELT THAT
RELATED TO THE STORY THAT YOU
WANTED TO TELL? RELATED TO THE STORY THAT YOU
WANTED TO TELL?
I MEAN, WERE THERE SOME BEATS WANTED TO TELL?
I MEAN, WERE THERE SOME BEATS
THAT YOU DEFINITELY KNEW THAT I MEAN, WERE THERE SOME BEATS
THAT YOU DEFINITELY KNEW THAT
YOU WANTED TO INCORPORATE? THAT YOU DEFINITELY KNEW THAT
YOU WANTED TO INCORPORATE?
>>ONE THING I WANTED — ONE YOU WANTED TO INCORPORATE?
>>ONE THING I WANTED — ONE
OF THE FIRST IMAGES I HAD >>ONE THING I WANTED — ONE
OF THE FIRST IMAGES I HAD
WHICH REALLY DEALT WITH OF THE FIRST IMAGES I HAD
WHICH REALLY DEALT WITH
RATHER BRIEFLY IN THE FILM WHICH REALLY DEALT WITH
RATHER BRIEFLY IN THE FILM
ITSELF, THERE WAS AN IMAGE I RATHER BRIEFLY IN THE FILM
ITSELF, THERE WAS AN IMAGE I
HAD OF LINCOLN WHEN HE WAS ITSELF, THERE WAS AN IMAGE I
HAD OF LINCOLN WHEN HE WAS
RUMINATING AND DEEPLY — HAD OF LINCOLN WHEN HE WAS
RUMINATING AND DEEPLY —
LINCOLN WENT VERY, VERY DEEP. RUMINATING AND DEEPLY —
LINCOLN WENT VERY, VERY DEEP.
THE THING I ALWAYS SAY ABOUT LINCOLN WENT VERY, VERY DEEP.
THE THING I ALWAYS SAY ABOUT
LINCOLN WAS HE COULD SEE THE THE THING I ALWAYS SAY ABOUT
LINCOLN WAS HE COULD SEE THE
FAR HORIZON, ALMOST LIKE HE LINCOLN WAS HE COULD SEE THE
FAR HORIZON, ALMOST LIKE HE
KNEW WHAT THE FAR HORIZON WAS FAR HORIZON, ALMOST LIKE HE
KNEW WHAT THE FAR HORIZON WAS
TELLING HIM HE NEEDED TO DO. KNEW WHAT THE FAR HORIZON WAS
TELLING HIM HE NEEDED TO DO.
HE COULDN’T DO THAT WITHOUT A TELLING HIM HE NEEDED TO DO.
HE COULDN’T DO THAT WITHOUT A
DEEP APPRECIATION OF WHAT HE COULDN’T DO THAT WITHOUT A
DEEP APPRECIATION OF WHAT
CAME BEFORE HIM, ALL THOSE DEEP APPRECIATION OF WHAT
CAME BEFORE HIM, ALL THOSE
WHO PRECEDED HIM, BUT WHILE CAME BEFORE HIM, ALL THOSE
WHO PRECEDED HIM, BUT WHILE
HE COULD SEE OUT AND IN WHO PRECEDED HIM, BUT WHILE
HE COULD SEE OUT AND IN
REVERSE, HE COULD SEE EVEN HE COULD SEE OUT AND IN
REVERSE, HE COULD SEE EVEN
FURTHER WITHIN HIMSELF, REVERSE, HE COULD SEE EVEN
FURTHER WITHIN HIMSELF,
INSIDE OF HIMSELF. FURTHER WITHIN HIMSELF,
INSIDE OF HIMSELF.
AND I REALLY WANTED TO INSIDE OF HIMSELF.
AND I REALLY WANTED TO
EXPLORE WHAT IT WAS LIKE FOR AND I REALLY WANTED TO
EXPLORE WHAT IT WAS LIKE FOR
LINCOLN TO MAKE A DECISION. EXPLORE WHAT IT WAS LIKE FOR
LINCOLN TO MAKE A DECISION.
I THOUGHT THAT THE PAUSES LINCOLN TO MAKE A DECISION.
I THOUGHT THAT THE PAUSES
WERE GOING TO BE VERY, VERY I THOUGHT THAT THE PAUSES
WERE GOING TO BE VERY, VERY
IMPORTANT, THE MOMENTS HE WERE GOING TO BE VERY, VERY
IMPORTANT, THE MOMENTS HE
WASN’T SPEAKING WAS GOING TO IMPORTANT, THE MOMENTS HE
WASN’T SPEAKING WAS GOING TO
TELL US AS MUCH AS THOSE WHEN WASN’T SPEAKING WAS GOING TO
TELL US AS MUCH AS THOSE WHEN
HE WAS SPEAKING. TELL US AS MUCH AS THOSE WHEN
HE WAS SPEAKING.
AND SO I HAD THIS IMAGE OF HE WAS SPEAKING.
AND SO I HAD THIS IMAGE OF
LINCOLN LIVING, THE LIVING AND SO I HAD THIS IMAGE OF
LINCOLN LIVING, THE LIVING
PRESIDENT, HAUNTING HIS OWN LINCOLN LIVING, THE LIVING
PRESIDENT, HAUNTING HIS OWN
WHITE HOUSE, JUST TAKING PRESIDENT, HAUNTING HIS OWN
WHITE HOUSE, JUST TAKING
STROLLS UP AND DOWN THE LONG WHITE HOUSE, JUST TAKING
STROLLS UP AND DOWN THE LONG
WIDE CORRIDORS OF THE STROLLS UP AND DOWN THE LONG
WIDE CORRIDORS OF THE
RESIDENCE, THEN DOWN BELOW, WIDE CORRIDORS OF THE
RESIDENCE, THEN DOWN BELOW,
JUST WORKING THINGS OUT. RESIDENCE, THEN DOWN BELOW,
JUST WORKING THINGS OUT.
THAT WAS ONE OF THE FIRST JUST WORKING THINGS OUT.
THAT WAS ONE OF THE FIRST
IMAGES I HAD IN THE FILM. THAT WAS ONE OF THE FIRST
IMAGES I HAD IN THE FILM.
IT WAS DEALT WITH VERY IMAGES I HAD IN THE FILM.
IT WAS DEALT WITH VERY
BRIEFLY, WHEN HE IS DECIDING IT WAS DEALT WITH VERY
BRIEFLY, WHEN HE IS DECIDING
WHETHER OR NOT TO BRING THE BRIEFLY, WHEN HE IS DECIDING
WHETHER OR NOT TO BRING THE
PEACE COMMISSIONERS TO WHETHER OR NOT TO BRING THE
PEACE COMMISSIONERS TO
WASHINGTON CITY OR KEEP THEM PEACE COMMISSIONERS TO
WASHINGTON CITY OR KEEP THEM
ON THE RIVER QUEEN, BUT THAT WASHINGTON CITY OR KEEP THEM
ON THE RIVER QUEEN, BUT THAT
WAS ONE OF THE VERY FIRST ON THE RIVER QUEEN, BUT THAT
WAS ONE OF THE VERY FIRST
IMAGES THAT I COMMUNICATED TO WAS ONE OF THE VERY FIRST
IMAGES THAT I COMMUNICATED TO
TONY. IMAGES THAT I COMMUNICATED TO
TONY.
>>I THINK FOR ME, THE TONY.
>>I THINK FOR ME, THE
MUST-HAVE, AND I PROBABLY WAS >>I THINK FOR ME, THE
MUST-HAVE, AND I PROBABLY WAS
A PEST IN TALKING TO TONY MUST-HAVE, AND I PROBABLY WAS
A PEST IN TALKING TO TONY
ABOUT IT, WAS YOU GOT TO HAVE A PEST IN TALKING TO TONY
ABOUT IT, WAS YOU GOT TO HAVE
HIM TELL AS MANY STORIES AS ABOUT IT, WAS YOU GOT TO HAVE
HIM TELL AS MANY STORIES AS
YOU POSSIBLY CAN, BECAUSE THE HIM TELL AS MANY STORIES AS
YOU POSSIBLY CAN, BECAUSE THE
STORIES ARE HIS WHOLE — HIS YOU POSSIBLY CAN, BECAUSE THE
STORIES ARE HIS WHOLE — HIS
WHOLE FACE CHANGED WHEN HE STORIES ARE HIS WHOLE — HIS
WHOLE FACE CHANGED WHEN HE
TOLD A STORY AND DANIEL MADE WHOLE FACE CHANGED WHEN HE
TOLD A STORY AND DANIEL MADE
THAT HAPPEN AND PEOPLE SAID TOLD A STORY AND DANIEL MADE
THAT HAPPEN AND PEOPLE SAID
YOU COULD LOOK AT HIM NOT THAT HAPPEN AND PEOPLE SAID
YOU COULD LOOK AT HIM NOT
MOVING AND JUST, HE WOULD BE YOU COULD LOOK AT HIM NOT
MOVING AND JUST, HE WOULD BE
THE FATTEST PERSON IN THE MOVING AND JUST, HE WOULD BE
THE FATTEST PERSON IN THE
WORLD. THE FATTEST PERSON IN THE
WORLD.
YOU FELT LIKE THE MELANCHOLY WORLD.
YOU FELT LIKE THE MELANCHOLY
HAD SPREAD OVER HIS BODY AND YOU FELT LIKE THE MELANCHOLY
HAD SPREAD OVER HIS BODY AND
THEN HE STARTED TELLING ONE HAD SPREAD OVER HIS BODY AND
THEN HE STARTED TELLING ONE
OF THESE STORIES. THEN HE STARTED TELLING ONE
OF THESE STORIES.
AND INCLUDING THE ETHAN ALLEN OF THESE STORIES.
AND INCLUDING THE ETHAN ALLEN
STORY. AND INCLUDING THE ETHAN ALLEN
STORY.
I REMEMBER WHO HE WAS ON JON STORY.
I REMEMBER WHO HE WAS ON JON
STEWART WHEN THE BOOK CAME I REMEMBER WHO HE WAS ON JON
STEWART WHEN THE BOOK CAME
OUT AND I TOLD THAT STORY AND STEWART WHEN THE BOOK CAME
OUT AND I TOLD THAT STORY AND
I WAS BLEEPED ON JON STEWART OUT AND I TOLD THAT STORY AND
I WAS BLEEPED ON JON STEWART
AND NOW IT’S IN THE MOVIE. I WAS BLEEPED ON JON STEWART
AND NOW IT’S IN THE MOVIE.
>>THE ONLY 4-LETTER WORD I AND NOW IT’S IN THE MOVIE.
>>THE ONLY 4-LETTER WORD I
MANAGED TO GET INTO THAT >>THE ONLY 4-LETTER WORD I
MANAGED TO GET INTO THAT
WHOLE THING! MANAGED TO GET INTO THAT
WHOLE THING!
LINCOLN SUDDENLY — WHOLE THING!
LINCOLN SUDDENLY —
>>THE FUNNY THING, IS THAT LINCOLN SUDDENLY —
>>THE FUNNY THING, IS THAT
SAME NIGHT, I SOMEHOW >>THE FUNNY THING, IS THAT
SAME NIGHT, I SOMEHOW
MENTIONED, THERE’S A GREAT SAME NIGHT, I SOMEHOW
MENTIONED, THERE’S A GREAT
PICTURE OF LINCOLN, I’M SURE MENTIONED, THERE’S A GREAT
PICTURE OF LINCOLN, I’M SURE
YOU KNOW IT, WHERE HE DOESN’T PICTURE OF LINCOLN, I’M SURE
YOU KNOW IT, WHERE HE DOESN’T
HAVE THE BEARD AND HAS THAT YOU KNOW IT, WHERE HE DOESN’T
HAVE THE BEARD AND HAS THAT
RUGET LOOK AND I MENTIONED TO HAVE THE BEARD AND HAS THAT
RUGET LOOK AND I MENTIONED TO
JON STEWART I THOUGHT HE WAS RUGET LOOK AND I MENTIONED TO
JON STEWART I THOUGHT HE WAS
SEXY AND THAT’S THE LAST JON STEWART I THOUGHT HE WAS
SEXY AND THAT’S THE LAST
THING YOU WOULD THINK OF AS SEXY AND THAT’S THE LAST
THING YOU WOULD THINK OF AS
ABRAHAM LYNNON BUT NOW THAT THING YOU WOULD THINK OF AS
ABRAHAM LYNNON BUT NOW THAT
DANIEL DAY-LEWIS IS LINCOLN, ABRAHAM LYNNON BUT NOW THAT
DANIEL DAY-LEWIS IS LINCOLN,
I WAS RIGHT! DANIEL DAY-LEWIS IS LINCOLN,
I WAS RIGHT!
>> LET ME ASK YOU, DORIS, I WAS RIGHT!
>> LET ME ASK YOU, DORIS,
WHEN YOU SENT BASICALLY — >> LET ME ASK YOU, DORIS,
WHEN YOU SENT BASICALLY —
BASICALLY THE MANUSCRIPT HAD WHEN YOU SENT BASICALLY —
BASICALLY THE MANUSCRIPT HAD
ALREADY BEEN OPTIONED, BASICALLY THE MANUSCRIPT HAD
ALREADY BEEN OPTIONED,
KNOWING THAT IT WAS BECOME A ALREADY BEEN OPTIONED,
KNOWING THAT IT WAS BECOME A
FILM, DID IT IN ANY WAY KNOWING THAT IT WAS BECOME A
FILM, DID IT IN ANY WAY
CHANGE THE WAY YOU APPROACHED FILM, DID IT IN ANY WAY
CHANGE THE WAY YOU APPROACHED
THE MATERIAL IN TERMS OF CHANGE THE WAY YOU APPROACHED
THE MATERIAL IN TERMS OF
VISUALIZATION OR WERE YOU THE MATERIAL IN TERMS OF
VISUALIZATION OR WERE YOU
STILL WRITING FOR THE BOOK OR VISUALIZATION OR WERE YOU
STILL WRITING FOR THE BOOK OR
BEGINNING TO THINK VISUALLY? STILL WRITING FOR THE BOOK OR
BEGINNING TO THINK VISUALLY?
>>IT’S A WONDERFUL QUESTION. BEGINNING TO THINK VISUALLY?
>>IT’S A WONDERFUL QUESTION.
I DON’T THINK I WAS. >>IT’S A WONDERFUL QUESTION.
I DON’T THINK I WAS.
I THINK IT’S A WHOLLY I DON’T THINK I WAS.
I THINK IT’S A WHOLLY
DIFFERENT TALENT TO BE ABLE I THINK IT’S A WHOLLY
DIFFERENT TALENT TO BE ABLE
TO SEE THINGS VISUALLY, AND I DIFFERENT TALENT TO BE ABLE
TO SEE THINGS VISUALLY, AND I
DON’T HAVE IT. TO SEE THINGS VISUALLY, AND I
DON’T HAVE IT.
I MEAN, I NEED WORDS, I NEED DON’T HAVE IT.
I MEAN, I NEED WORDS, I NEED
DIARIES, I NEED DOCUMENTS, I MEAN, I NEED WORDS, I NEED
DIARIES, I NEED DOCUMENTS,
AND THEN I CAN CREATE DIARIES, I NEED DOCUMENTS,
AND THEN I CAN CREATE
CHARACTERS IN THEIR AND THEN I CAN CREATE
CHARACTERS IN THEIR
RELATIONSHIPS, BECAUSE I LOVE CHARACTERS IN THEIR
RELATIONSHIPS, BECAUSE I LOVE
THAT, BUT I WOULD NEVER HAVE RELATIONSHIPS, BECAUSE I LOVE
THAT, BUT I WOULD NEVER HAVE
THOUGHT OF WHAT YOU SAID, THAT, BUT I WOULD NEVER HAVE
THOUGHT OF WHAT YOU SAID,
SEEING HIM WALKING DOWN A THOUGHT OF WHAT YOU SAID,
SEEING HIM WALKING DOWN A
HALLWAY AND THAT SYMBOLIZING SEEING HIM WALKING DOWN A
HALLWAY AND THAT SYMBOLIZING
SOMETHING ABOUT HIS HALLWAY AND THAT SYMBOLIZING
SOMETHING ABOUT HIS
RUMINATING POWERS, AND THAT’S SOMETHING ABOUT HIS
RUMINATING POWERS, AND THAT’S
WHAT WAS SO MUCH FUN FOR ME, RUMINATING POWERS, AND THAT’S
WHAT WAS SO MUCH FUN FOR ME,
TO BE ABLE TO MARRY ONE SET WHAT WAS SO MUCH FUN FOR ME,
TO BE ABLE TO MARRY ONE SET
OF SKILLS — I MEAN, TONY HAS TO BE ABLE TO MARRY ONE SET
OF SKILLS — I MEAN, TONY HAS
BOTH, OBVIOUSLY. OF SKILLS — I MEAN, TONY HAS
BOTH, OBVIOUSLY.
HE CAN BOTH DO THE WORDS AND BOTH, OBVIOUSLY.
HE CAN BOTH DO THE WORDS AND
THE VISUAL, AND YOU CAN, TOO, HE CAN BOTH DO THE WORDS AND
THE VISUAL, AND YOU CAN, TOO,
BUT I’M A WORD GIRL. THE VISUAL, AND YOU CAN, TOO,
BUT I’M A WORD GIRL.
>>WORD IS FIRST! BUT I’M A WORD GIRL.
>>WORD IS FIRST!
>> I WAS TOLD THAT PRESIDENT >>WORD IS FIRST!
>> I WAS TOLD THAT PRESIDENT
OBAMA IS THE FIRST PRESIDENT >> I WAS TOLD THAT PRESIDENT
OBAMA IS THE FIRST PRESIDENT
SINCE LINCOLN TO HANG A COPY OBAMA IS THE FIRST PRESIDENT
SINCE LINCOLN TO HANG A COPY
OF THE EMANCIPATION SINCE LINCOLN TO HANG A COPY
OF THE EMANCIPATION
PROCLAMATION ON THE OVAL OF THE EMANCIPATION
PROCLAMATION ON THE OVAL
OFFICE, THAT BEING SAID, WHAT PROCLAMATION ON THE OVAL
OFFICE, THAT BEING SAID, WHAT
WAS THE DRIVING FORCE THAT OFFICE, THAT BEING SAID, WHAT
WAS THE DRIVING FORCE THAT
BROUGHT YOU TO FOCUS THE WAS THE DRIVING FORCE THAT
BROUGHT YOU TO FOCUS THE
MOVIE ON THE PASSAGE OF THE BROUGHT YOU TO FOCUS THE
MOVIE ON THE PASSAGE OF THE
13TH AMENDMENT? MOVIE ON THE PASSAGE OF THE
13TH AMENDMENT?
>>WELL, THROUGH OUR RESEARCH 13TH AMENDMENT?
>>WELL, THROUGH OUR RESEARCH
AND THROUGH A LOT OF READING, >>WELL, THROUGH OUR RESEARCH
AND THROUGH A LOT OF READING,
ESPECIALLY ON TONY’S PART, AND THROUGH A LOT OF READING,
ESPECIALLY ON TONY’S PART,
TONY MADE ME AWARE OF ESPECIALLY ON TONY’S PART,
TONY MADE ME AWARE OF
SOMETHING THAT I WASN’T AWARE TONY MADE ME AWARE OF
SOMETHING THAT I WASN’T AWARE
OF, BASICALLY BEING, YOU KNOW SOMETHING THAT I WASN’T AWARE
OF, BASICALLY BEING, YOU KNOW
, A HIGH SCHOOL HISTORY OF, BASICALLY BEING, YOU KNOW
, A HIGH SCHOOL HISTORY
STUDENT, AND IT SORT OF , A HIGH SCHOOL HISTORY
STUDENT, AND IT SORT OF
STOPPED THERE AND AFTER THAT STUDENT, AND IT SORT OF
STOPPED THERE AND AFTER THAT
EVERYTHING ELSE BECAME BOOKS STOPPED THERE AND AFTER THAT
EVERYTHING ELSE BECAME BOOKS
OF INTEREST THAT PIQUED MY EVERYTHING ELSE BECAME BOOKS
OF INTEREST THAT PIQUED MY
INTEREST. OF INTEREST THAT PIQUED MY
INTEREST.
LINCOLN WAS ONE OF THEM. INTEREST.
LINCOLN WAS ONE OF THEM.
BUT I DIDN’T READ THIS AND I LINCOLN WAS ONE OF THEM.
BUT I DIDN’T READ THIS AND I
REALLY DIDN’T KNOW MUCH ABOUT BUT I DIDN’T READ THIS AND I
REALLY DIDN’T KNOW MUCH ABOUT
THE LEGALITY OR ILLEGALITIES REALLY DIDN’T KNOW MUCH ABOUT
THE LEGALITY OR ILLEGALITIES
OF THE EMANCIPATION THE LEGALITY OR ILLEGALITIES
OF THE EMANCIPATION
PROCLAMATION, UNTIL TONY OF THE EMANCIPATION
PROCLAMATION, UNTIL TONY
POINTED OUT THAT IT WOULD PROCLAMATION, UNTIL TONY
POINTED OUT THAT IT WOULD
HAVE BEEN THROWN OUT POINTED OUT THAT IT WOULD
HAVE BEEN THROWN OUT
IMMEDIATELY AT THE END OF — HAVE BEEN THROWN OUT
IMMEDIATELY AT THE END OF —
AT THE CESSATION OF HOS OLTS IMMEDIATELY AT THE END OF —
AT THE CESSATION OF HOS OLTS
— HOSTILITIES AND THE SLAVES AT THE CESSATION OF HOS OLTS
— HOSTILITIES AND THE SLAVES
WERE RETURNED TO THE FORMER — HOSTILITIES AND THE SLAVES
WERE RETURNED TO THE FORMER
MASTERS. WERE RETURNED TO THE FORMER
MASTERS.
AND I WAS RAISED THINKING THE MASTERS.
AND I WAS RAISED THINKING THE
EMANCIPATION PROCLAMATION WAS AND I WAS RAISED THINKING THE
EMANCIPATION PROCLAMATION WAS
THE GREATEST WORK LINCOLN EMANCIPATION PROCLAMATION WAS
THE GREATEST WORK LINCOLN
EVER DID WITH HIS CAREER, THE GREATEST WORK LINCOLN
EVER DID WITH HIS CAREER,
WITH HIS LIFE. EVER DID WITH HIS CAREER,
WITH HIS LIFE.
UNTIL NOT JUST TONY BUT OTHER WITH HIS LIFE.
UNTIL NOT JUST TONY BUT OTHER
HISTORIANS WERE CONSULTING UNTIL NOT JUST TONY BUT OTHER
HISTORIANS WERE CONSULTING
WITH US AND OTHER BOOKS WE HISTORIANS WERE CONSULTING
WITH US AND OTHER BOOKS WE
WERE READING POINTED OUT THAT WITH US AND OTHER BOOKS WE
WERE READING POINTED OUT THAT
IT WAS A VERY TENUOUS WAR WERE READING POINTED OUT THAT
IT WAS A VERY TENUOUS WAR
MEASURE, JUST LIKE THE IT WAS A VERY TENUOUS WAR
MEASURE, JUST LIKE THE
LIFTING — JUST LIKE THE WRIT MEASURE, JUST LIKE THE
LIFTING — JUST LIKE THE WRIT
OF HABEAS CORPUS, SUSPENDING LIFTING — JUST LIKE THE WRIT
OF HABEAS CORPUS, SUSPENDING
THAT BECAUSE OF ACTIVISTS IN OF HABEAS CORPUS, SUSPENDING
THAT BECAUSE OF ACTIVISTS IN
WASHINGTON CITY, SO ALL OF THAT BECAUSE OF ACTIVISTS IN
WASHINGTON CITY, SO ALL OF
THE INTERESTING WRINKLES THIS WASHINGTON CITY, SO ALL OF
THE INTERESTING WRINKLES THIS
& THIS AMAZING, CRAZY QUILT THE INTERESTING WRINKLES THIS
& THIS AMAZING, CRAZY QUILT
OF EVENTS TOOK PLACE FROM & THIS AMAZING, CRAZY QUILT
OF EVENTS TOOK PLACE FROM
1860 AND 1865, REALLY KIND OF OF EVENTS TOOK PLACE FROM
1860 AND 1865, REALLY KIND OF
FOCUSED MY ATTENTION ON THE 1860 AND 1865, REALLY KIND OF
FOCUSED MY ATTENTION ON THE
ONE LASTING PERMANENT FOCUSED MY ATTENTION ON THE
ONE LASTING PERMANENT
CONSTITUTIONAL ARMED THAT ONE LASTING PERMANENT
CONSTITUTIONAL ARMED THAT
WOULD UNEQUIVOCALLY END CONSTITUTIONAL ARMED THAT
WOULD UNEQUIVOCALLY END
SLAVERY FOR ALL TIME. WOULD UNEQUIVOCALLY END
SLAVERY FOR ALL TIME.
>>I THOUGHT YOUR CHOICE WAS SLAVERY FOR ALL TIME.
>>I THOUGHT YOUR CHOICE WAS
BOLD AND VERY TIMELY, AS A >>I THOUGHT YOUR CHOICE WAS
BOLD AND VERY TIMELY, AS A
MATTER OF FACT. BOLD AND VERY TIMELY, AS A
MATTER OF FACT.
GIVEN THE CURRENT POLITICAL MATTER OF FACT.
GIVEN THE CURRENT POLITICAL
AND RACIAL POLARIZATION IN GIVEN THE CURRENT POLITICAL
AND RACIAL POLARIZATION IN
OUR COUNTRY, WERE YOU AND RACIAL POLARIZATION IN
OUR COUNTRY, WERE YOU
CONCERNED THAT THE FILM MIGHT OUR COUNTRY, WERE YOU
CONCERNED THAT THE FILM MIGHT
WITH THAT SUBJECT MATTER HAVE CONCERNED THAT THE FILM MIGHT
WITH THAT SUBJECT MATTER HAVE
BACKLASHED OR AT LEAST HAVE WITH THAT SUBJECT MATTER HAVE
BACKLASHED OR AT LEAST HAVE
MORE CRITICS AND POLITICAL BACKLASHED OR AT LEAST HAVE
MORE CRITICS AND POLITICAL
PUNDITS AGAINST IT THAN MORE CRITICS AND POLITICAL
PUNDITS AGAINST IT THAN
NORMAL? PUNDITS AGAINST IT THAN
NORMAL?
>>WELL, MY ENTIRE OUTLOOK ON NORMAL?
>>WELL, MY ENTIRE OUTLOOK ON
FILM IS I ALWAYS EXPECT THE >>WELL, MY ENTIRE OUTLOOK ON
FILM IS I ALWAYS EXPECT THE
WORST AND A.M. AMAZED WHEN FILM IS I ALWAYS EXPECT THE
WORST AND A.M. AMAZED WHEN
THE WORST DOESN’T OCCUR. WORST AND A.M. AMAZED WHEN
THE WORST DOESN’T OCCUR.
ALWAYS. THE WORST DOESN’T OCCUR.
ALWAYS.
>>[LAUGHTER] ALWAYS.
>>[LAUGHTER]
>>SO I BRACE FOR THE WORST, >>[LAUGHTER]
>>SO I BRACE FOR THE WORST,
I BRACE FOR COMPLETELY >>SO I BRACE FOR THE WORST,
I BRACE FOR COMPLETELY
PUTTING UP THE STEEL WALLS I BRACE FOR COMPLETELY
PUTTING UP THE STEEL WALLS
AND JUST LETTING THE — KIND PUTTING UP THE STEEL WALLS
AND JUST LETTING THE — KIND
OF LIKE WHEN STANTON WAS — AND JUST LETTING THE — KIND
OF LIKE WHEN STANTON WAS —
FORT FISHER, BOMBARDING FORT OF LIKE WHEN STANTON WAS —
FORT FISHER, BOMBARDING FORT
FISHER, 100 SHELLS A MINUTE, FORT FISHER, BOMBARDING FORT
FISHER, 100 SHELLS A MINUTE,
I WAS EXPECTING THAT TO COME FISHER, 100 SHELLS A MINUTE,
I WAS EXPECTING THAT TO COME
FALLING UPON US, BECAUSE I WAS EXPECTING THAT TO COME
FALLING UPON US, BECAUSE
THERE ARE SO MANY GREAT FALLING UPON US, BECAUSE
THERE ARE SO MANY GREAT
SCHOLARS, EDUCATORS AND THERE ARE SO MANY GREAT
SCHOLARS, EDUCATORS AND
HISTORIANS, THEY DON’T ALL SCHOLARS, EDUCATORS AND
HISTORIANS, THEY DON’T ALL
SEE LINCOLN AND THE CIVIL WAR HISTORIANS, THEY DON’T ALL
SEE LINCOLN AND THE CIVIL WAR
THE SAME WAY AND TONY SEE LINCOLN AND THE CIVIL WAR
THE SAME WAY AND TONY
DISCOVERED HIS WAY IN, THAT THE SAME WAY AND TONY
DISCOVERED HIS WAY IN, THAT
ALLOWED TONY TO AGREE TO DISCOVERED HIS WAY IN, THAT
ALLOWED TONY TO AGREE TO
WRITE LINCOLN FROM DORIS’ ALLOWED TONY TO AGREE TO
WRITE LINCOLN FROM DORIS’
BOOK, WAS THAT WHEN I HELD A WRITE LINCOLN FROM DORIS’
BOOK, WAS THAT WHEN I HELD A
SYMPOSIUM WITH 16 OF THE BOOK, WAS THAT WHEN I HELD A
SYMPOSIUM WITH 16 OF THE
GREATEST AMERICAN HISTORIANS SYMPOSIUM WITH 16 OF THE
GREATEST AMERICAN HISTORIANS
ABOUT THE WAR AND ABOUT GREATEST AMERICAN HISTORIANS
ABOUT THE WAR AND ABOUT
LINCOLN’S LIFE AND TIMES, ABOUT THE WAR AND ABOUT
LINCOLN’S LIFE AND TIMES,
THAT THERE WAS BROAD LINCOLN’S LIFE AND TIMES,
THAT THERE WAS BROAD
AGREEMENT, BUT THERE WAS ALSO THAT THERE WAS BROAD
AGREEMENT, BUT THERE WAS ALSO
A LOT OF DISAGREEMENT IN THE AGREEMENT, BUT THERE WAS ALSO
A LOT OF DISAGREEMENT IN THE
DETAILS. A LOT OF DISAGREEMENT IN THE
DETAILS.
THAT’S WHERE TONY SAID I CAN DETAILS.
THAT’S WHERE TONY SAID I CAN
FIND MY VOICE. THAT’S WHERE TONY SAID I CAN
FIND MY VOICE.
I CAN BE PART OF THAT FIND MY VOICE.
I CAN BE PART OF THAT
DISAGREEMENT BY FINDING MY I CAN BE PART OF THAT
DISAGREEMENT BY FINDING MY
OWN VOICE AND MY OWN WAY INTO DISAGREEMENT BY FINDING MY
OWN VOICE AND MY OWN WAY INTO
TELLING THE STORY. OWN VOICE AND MY OWN WAY INTO
TELLING THE STORY.
SO MY BIGGEST FEAR WAS, YES, TELLING THE STORY.
SO MY BIGGEST FEAR WAS, YES,
THAT — MY BIGGEST FEAR WAS I SO MY BIGGEST FEAR WAS, YES,
THAT — MY BIGGEST FEAR WAS I
WOULD NEVER BE ABLE TO LOOK THAT — MY BIGGEST FEAR WAS I
WOULD NEVER BE ABLE TO LOOK
AT THE $5 BILL AGAIN. WOULD NEVER BE ABLE TO LOOK
AT THE $5 BILL AGAIN.
THAT WAS IT. AT THE $5 BILL AGAIN.
THAT WAS IT.
>>THE ONE THING THAT IS SO THAT WAS IT.
>>THE ONE THING THAT IS SO
AMAZING ABOUT THIS MAN, SO >>THE ONE THING THAT IS SO
AMAZING ABOUT THIS MAN, SO
SUCCESSFUL AS HE’S BEEN, YET, AMAZING ABOUT THIS MAN, SO
SUCCESSFUL AS HE’S BEEN, YET,
SUCH A PROFESSIONAL, THAT HE SUCCESSFUL AS HE’S BEEN, YET,
SUCH A PROFESSIONAL, THAT HE
WOULD FEAR WITH EACH MOVIE SUCH A PROFESSIONAL, THAT HE
WOULD FEAR WITH EACH MOVIE
THAT THE STORM MIGHT COME. WOULD FEAR WITH EACH MOVIE
THAT THE STORM MIGHT COME.
I THINK THAT’S WHAT EVERYBODY THAT THE STORM MIGHT COME.
I THINK THAT’S WHAT EVERYBODY
HAS TO BE. I THINK THAT’S WHAT EVERYBODY
HAS TO BE.
YOU CAN’T EVER TAKE ANYTHING HAS TO BE.
YOU CAN’T EVER TAKE ANYTHING
FOR GRANTED, AND IT’S GREAT YOU CAN’T EVER TAKE ANYTHING
FOR GRANTED, AND IT’S GREAT
THAT YOU, TOO — FOR GRANTED, AND IT’S GREAT
THAT YOU, TOO —
>>WHY DO YOU THINK I MAKE SO THAT YOU, TOO —
>>WHY DO YOU THINK I MAKE SO
MUCH SCIENCE FICTION! >>WHY DO YOU THINK I MAKE SO
MUCH SCIENCE FICTION!
NOBODY CAN DISPUTE THAT! MUCH SCIENCE FICTION!
NOBODY CAN DISPUTE THAT!
>> [APPLAUSE] NOBODY CAN DISPUTE THAT!
>> [APPLAUSE]
>>[LAUGHTER] >> [APPLAUSE]
>>[LAUGHTER]
>>IF I CAN ADD A COUPLE OF >>[LAUGHTER]
>>IF I CAN ADD A COUPLE OF
THINGS, I THINK THAT ONE OF >>IF I CAN ADD A COUPLE OF
THINGS, I THINK THAT ONE OF
THE ADVANTAGES OF FOCUSING ON THINGS, I THINK THAT ONE OF
THE ADVANTAGES OF FOCUSING ON
THE 13TH AMENDMENT IS THAT — THE ADVANTAGES OF FOCUSING ON
THE 13TH AMENDMENT IS THAT —
WE HAD TALKED ABOUT THIS A THE 13TH AMENDMENT IS THAT —
WE HAD TALKED ABOUT THIS A
LOT, DORIS, STEVEN AND I, WE HAD TALKED ABOUT THIS A
LOT, DORIS, STEVEN AND I,
WHEN WE BEGAN THIS PROJECT, LOT, DORIS, STEVEN AND I,
WHEN WE BEGAN THIS PROJECT,
SIX, SEVEN YEARS AGO, IT WAS WHEN WE BEGAN THIS PROJECT,
SIX, SEVEN YEARS AGO, IT WAS
WHEN I GOT INVOLVED, THAT IF SIX, SEVEN YEARS AGO, IT WAS
WHEN I GOT INVOLVED, THAT IF
YOU MAKE A MOVIE ABOUT WHEN I GOT INVOLVED, THAT IF
YOU MAKE A MOVIE ABOUT
ABRAHAM LINCOLN, WHO WAS YOU MAKE A MOVIE ABOUT
ABRAHAM LINCOLN, WHO WAS
CLEARLY A GENIOUS ON A NUMBER ABRAHAM LINCOLN, WHO WAS
CLEARLY A GENIOUS ON A NUMBER
OF FRONTS, HE WAS A POLITICAL CLEARLY A GENIOUS ON A NUMBER
OF FRONTS, HE WAS A POLITICAL
GENIOUS, I THINK A THINKER, A OF FRONTS, HE WAS A POLITICAL
GENIOUS, I THINK A THINKER, A
THINKING GENIOUS, A WRITER, GENIOUS, I THINK A THINKER, A
THINKING GENIOUS, A WRITER,
AND PROBABLY THE MOST THINKING GENIOUS, A WRITER,
AND PROBABLY THE MOST
EXTRAORDINARY PERSON IN HIS AND PROBABLY THE MOST
EXTRAORDINARY PERSON IN HIS
OFFICE. EXTRAORDINARY PERSON IN HIS
OFFICE.
IF YOU’RE SAYING WELL, WE GOT OFFICE.
IF YOU’RE SAYING WELL, WE GOT
LUCKY THIS ONCE AND THIS IF YOU’RE SAYING WELL, WE GOT
LUCKY THIS ONCE AND THIS
UNBELIEVABLE PERSON SHOWED UP LUCKY THIS ONCE AND THIS
UNBELIEVABLE PERSON SHOWED UP
WHO IS AS GREAT AS UNBELIEVABLE PERSON SHOWED UP
WHO IS AS GREAT AS
SHAKESPEARE, MOZART, WHO IS AS GREAT AS
SHAKESPEARE, MOZART,
WHATEVER, AND HE WAS SHAKESPEARE, MOZART,
WHATEVER, AND HE WAS
ASSASSINATED, WHAT DO WE DO, WHATEVER, AND HE WAS
ASSASSINATED, WHAT DO WE DO,
WE’RE SORT OF SCREWED, AND I ASSASSINATED, WHAT DO WE DO,
WE’RE SORT OF SCREWED, AND I
DON’T THINK — IT’S NOT A WE’RE SORT OF SCREWED, AND I
DON’T THINK — IT’S NOT A
PARTICULARLY VALUABLE TAKE DON’T THINK — IT’S NOT A
PARTICULARLY VALUABLE TAKE
HOME, YOU KNOW, FROM THAT. PARTICULARLY VALUABLE TAKE
HOME, YOU KNOW, FROM THAT.
BUT CONCENTRATING ON A MOMENT HOME, YOU KNOW, FROM THAT.
BUT CONCENTRATING ON A MOMENT
WHEN THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH WAS BUT CONCENTRATING ON A MOMENT
WHEN THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH WAS
SORT OF STEPPING INTO THE WHEN THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH WAS
SORT OF STEPPING INTO THE
TERRITORY OF THE LEGISLATIVE SORT OF STEPPING INTO THE
TERRITORY OF THE LEGISLATIVE
BRANCH, WE WOUND UP MAKING A TERRITORY OF THE LEGISLATIVE
BRANCH, WE WOUND UP MAKING A
MOVIE THAT’S BOTH ABOUT BRANCH, WE WOUND UP MAKING A
MOVIE THAT’S BOTH ABOUT
ABRAHAM LINCOLN AND ALSO MOVIE THAT’S BOTH ABOUT
ABRAHAM LINCOLN AND ALSO
ABOUT THE HOUSE OF ABRAHAM LINCOLN AND ALSO
ABOUT THE HOUSE OF
REPRESENTATIVES, WHICH ABOUT THE HOUSE OF
REPRESENTATIVES, WHICH
DOESN’T FEATURE PROMINENTLY REPRESENTATIVES, WHICH
DOESN’T FEATURE PROMINENTLY
IN HOW WE WOULD BE FILM DOESN’T FEATURE PROMINENTLY
IN HOW WE WOULD BE FILM
MAKING. IN HOW WE WOULD BE FILM
MAKING.
>>I THINK IT WILL IN THE MAKING.
>>I THINK IT WILL IN THE
FUTURE. >>I THINK IT WILL IN THE
FUTURE.
>>RIGHT. FUTURE.
>>RIGHT.
AND ADDAMS FAMILY MADE ABOUT >>RIGHT.
AND ADDAMS FAMILY MADE ABOUT
WHAT WE JUST SAW. AND ADDAMS FAMILY MADE ABOUT
WHAT WE JUST SAW.
I THINK IF YOU HAD MADE IT WHAT WE JUST SAW.
I THINK IF YOU HAD MADE IT
POSSIBLE TO MAKE A MOVIE THAT I THINK IF YOU HAD MADE IT
POSSIBLE TO MAKE A MOVIE THAT
WAS ABOUT ABRAHAM LINCOLN BUT POSSIBLE TO MAKE A MOVIE THAT
WAS ABOUT ABRAHAM LINCOLN BUT
ALSO ABOUT DEMOCRACY ITSELF WAS ABOUT ABRAHAM LINCOLN BUT
ALSO ABOUT DEMOCRACY ITSELF
AND THE PROCESSES OF ALSO ABOUT DEMOCRACY ITSELF
AND THE PROCESSES OF
GOVERNMENT AND ABOUT WHETHER AND THE PROCESSES OF
GOVERNMENT AND ABOUT WHETHER
OR NOT WE WANT TO HAVE A GOVERNMENT AND ABOUT WHETHER
OR NOT WE WANT TO HAVE A
DEVELOPMENT OR WHETHER OR NOT OR NOT WE WANT TO HAVE A
DEVELOPMENT OR WHETHER OR NOT
WE’RE ANARCHISTS, I THINK DEVELOPMENT OR WHETHER OR NOT
WE’RE ANARCHISTS, I THINK
THAT WAS A REAL ADVANTAGE IN WE’RE ANARCHISTS, I THINK
THAT WAS A REAL ADVANTAGE IN
DOING IT. THAT WAS A REAL ADVANTAGE IN
DOING IT.
DORIS’ BOOK WAS THE BEGINNING DOING IT.
DORIS’ BOOK WAS THE BEGINNING
FOR US AND DORIS’ LINCOLN IS DORIS’ BOOK WAS THE BEGINNING
FOR US AND DORIS’ LINCOLN IS
FIRST AND FOREMOST THE FOR US AND DORIS’ LINCOLN IS
FIRST AND FOREMOST THE
POLITICAL — I MEAN, HE’S A FIRST AND FOREMOST THE
POLITICAL — I MEAN, HE’S A
FULLY DRAWN CHARACTER, BUT A POLITICAL — I MEAN, HE’S A
FULLY DRAWN CHARACTER, BUT A
POLITICAL ANIMAL, AND IT’S FULLY DRAWN CHARACTER, BUT A
POLITICAL ANIMAL, AND IT’S
SOMETHING THEY THINK STEVEN POLITICAL ANIMAL, AND IT’S
SOMETHING THEY THINK STEVEN
AND I BOTH FOUND COMPLETELY SOMETHING THEY THINK STEVEN
AND I BOTH FOUND COMPLETELY
CONVINCING. AND I BOTH FOUND COMPLETELY
CONVINCING.
IT WAS THE LINCOLN THAT WE CONVINCING.
IT WAS THE LINCOLN THAT WE
WANTED TO DESCRIBE AND MAKE A IT WAS THE LINCOLN THAT WE
WANTED TO DESCRIBE AND MAKE A
STORY ABOUT, AND HE WAS ADEPT WANTED TO DESCRIBE AND MAKE A
STORY ABOUT, AND HE WAS ADEPT
AT POLITICAL THEATER. STORY ABOUT, AND HE WAS ADEPT
AT POLITICAL THEATER.
>>RIGHT. AT POLITICAL THEATER.
>>RIGHT.
>>AND SOMEBODY WHO JUST WAS >>RIGHT.
>>AND SOMEBODY WHO JUST WAS
BETTER THAN ANYBODY ELSE AT >>AND SOMEBODY WHO JUST WAS
BETTER THAN ANYBODY ELSE AT
HIS TIME. BETTER THAN ANYBODY ELSE AT
HIS TIME.
THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT AT THE HIS TIME.
THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT AT THE
TIME OF ABRAHAM LINCOLN WAS A THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT AT THE
TIME OF ABRAHAM LINCOLN WAS A
GROUP OF WHITE GUYS, MAKING TIME OF ABRAHAM LINCOLN WAS A
GROUP OF WHITE GUYS, MAKING
DECISIONS. GROUP OF WHITE GUYS, MAKING
DECISIONS.
SO IF WE WERE GOING TO STAY DECISIONS.
SO IF WE WERE GOING TO STAY
TRUE TO THE HISTORY OF THAT SO IF WE WERE GOING TO STAY
TRUE TO THE HISTORY OF THAT
MOMENT, IT WAS GOING TO MEAN TRUE TO THE HISTORY OF THAT
MOMENT, IT WAS GOING TO MEAN
THAT WE WERE GOING TO BE MOMENT, IT WAS GOING TO MEAN
THAT WE WERE GOING TO BE
TELLING A STORY THAT THAT WE WERE GOING TO BE
TELLING A STORY THAT
WOULDN’T, YOU KNOW, INCLUDE TELLING A STORY THAT
WOULDN’T, YOU KNOW, INCLUDE
EVERY ASPECT OF THE HISTORY WOULDN’T, YOU KNOW, INCLUDE
EVERY ASPECT OF THE HISTORY
OF SLAVERY, EVERY ASPECT OF EVERY ASPECT OF THE HISTORY
OF SLAVERY, EVERY ASPECT OF
THE CIVIL WAR. OF SLAVERY, EVERY ASPECT OF
THE CIVIL WAR.
IT WAS GOING TO FOCUS ON THE THE CIVIL WAR.
IT WAS GOING TO FOCUS ON THE
POLITICAL ARENA. IT WAS GOING TO FOCUS ON THE
POLITICAL ARENA.
AND WE KNEW THAT THAT WOULD POLITICAL ARENA.
AND WE KNEW THAT THAT WOULD
BE A CHALLENGE FOR SOME AND WE KNEW THAT THAT WOULD
BE A CHALLENGE FOR SOME
PEOPLE, BUT WE BELIEVED THAT BE A CHALLENGE FOR SOME
PEOPLE, BUT WE BELIEVED THAT
THE COUNTRY WAS AT A PLACE PEOPLE, BUT WE BELIEVED THAT
THE COUNTRY WAS AT A PLACE
NOW WHERE IT COULD UNDERSTAND THE COUNTRY WAS AT A PLACE
NOW WHERE IT COULD UNDERSTAND
AND GET WHAT WE WERE TRYING NOW WHERE IT COULD UNDERSTAND
AND GET WHAT WE WERE TRYING
TO DO AND THAT SEEMS TO BE AND GET WHAT WE WERE TRYING
TO DO AND THAT SEEMS TO BE
THE CASE. TO DO AND THAT SEEMS TO BE
THE CASE.
>>I — ONE OF THE FUNNIEST THE CASE.
>>I — ONE OF THE FUNNIEST
MOMENT SOCIAL SECURITY DURING >>I — ONE OF THE FUNNIEST
MOMENT SOCIAL SECURITY DURING
THE DEBATE IN THE MOVIE, MOMENT SOCIAL SECURITY DURING
THE DEBATE IN THE MOVIE,
THEY’RE TALKING ABOUT THE THE DEBATE IN THE MOVIE,
THEY’RE TALKING ABOUT THE
POSSIBILITY OF TRYING TO PUSH THEY’RE TALKING ABOUT THE
POSSIBILITY OF TRYING TO PUSH
THEM TO SAY WE REALLY DO WANT POSSIBILITY OF TRYING TO PUSH
THEM TO SAY WE REALLY DO WANT
THE VOTE FOR THEM TO SAY WE REALLY DO WANT
THE VOTE FOR
AFRICAN-AMERICANS, SOMEBODY THE VOTE FOR
AFRICAN-AMERICANS, SOMEBODY
SAYS BUT THEN MAYBE WOMEN AFRICAN-AMERICANS, SOMEBODY
SAYS BUT THEN MAYBE WOMEN
WILL VOTE SOME PLAY! SAYS BUT THEN MAYBE WOMEN
WILL VOTE SOME PLAY!
SO YOU’RE RIGHT, IT WAS A WILL VOTE SOME PLAY!
SO YOU’RE RIGHT, IT WAS A
BUNCH OF WHITE GUYS! SO YOU’RE RIGHT, IT WAS A
BUNCH OF WHITE GUYS!
BUT — BUNCH OF WHITE GUYS!
BUT —
>>[LAUGHTER] BUT —
>>[LAUGHTER]
>>DORIS, THE INTERESTING >>[LAUGHTER]
>>DORIS, THE INTERESTING
THING ABOUT THE FACT THAT YOU >>DORIS, THE INTERESTING
THING ABOUT THE FACT THAT YOU
PICKED THE 13TH AMENDMENT WAS THING ABOUT THE FACT THAT YOU
PICKED THE 13TH AMENDMENT WAS
THAT IT’S ONLY A FEW PAGES IN PICKED THE 13TH AMENDMENT WAS
THAT IT’S ONLY A FEW PAGES IN
THE BOOK, FIVE, SIX PAGES. THAT IT’S ONLY A FEW PAGES IN
THE BOOK, FIVE, SIX PAGES.
WHEN YOU HEARD WHAT THE MOVIE THE BOOK, FIVE, SIX PAGES.
WHEN YOU HEARD WHAT THE MOVIE
WAS BASICALLY ABOUT, HOW DID WHEN YOU HEARD WHAT THE MOVIE
WAS BASICALLY ABOUT, HOW DID
YOU FEEL ABOUT THAT? WAS BASICALLY ABOUT, HOW DID
YOU FEEL ABOUT THAT?
>>WELL, I KNEW ALL ALONG YOU FEEL ABOUT THAT?
>>WELL, I KNEW ALL ALONG
WHAT WAS HAPPENING AND IT’S >>WELL, I KNEW ALL ALONG
WHAT WAS HAPPENING AND IT’S
NOT LIKE THEY SUDDENLY TOLD WHAT WAS HAPPENING AND IT’S
NOT LIKE THEY SUDDENLY TOLD
ME THIS IS ALL THAT IT’S NOT LIKE THEY SUDDENLY TOLD
ME THIS IS ALL THAT IT’S
GOING TO BE, BECAUSE WE HAD ME THIS IS ALL THAT IT’S
GOING TO BE, BECAUSE WE HAD
STARTED TALKING FROM THE VERY GOING TO BE, BECAUSE WE HAD
STARTED TALKING FROM THE VERY
BEGINNING, SO I SAW IT COME STARTED TALKING FROM THE VERY
BEGINNING, SO I SAW IT COME
DOWN FROM 550 TO 400 TO 300 BEGINNING, SO I SAW IT COME
DOWN FROM 550 TO 400 TO 300
TO 200, BUT WHAT MATTERED TO DOWN FROM 550 TO 400 TO 300
TO 200, BUT WHAT MATTERED TO
ME MORE THAN ANYTHING AND TO 200, BUT WHAT MATTERED TO
ME MORE THAN ANYTHING AND
WHAT THEY CAPTURED WAS ME MORE THAN ANYTHING AND
WHAT THEY CAPTURED WAS
LINCOLN. WHAT THEY CAPTURED WAS
LINCOLN.
IT DOESN’T MATTER WHAT THE LINCOLN.
IT DOESN’T MATTER WHAT THE
PLOT IS. IT DOESN’T MATTER WHAT THE
PLOT IS.
THE PLOT WAS DRAMATIC FOR THE PLOT IS.
THE PLOT WAS DRAMATIC FOR THE
MOVIE AND THAT’S WHAT WAS SO THE PLOT WAS DRAMATIC FOR THE
MOVIE AND THAT’S WHAT WAS SO
GREAT, IT HAD A BEGINNING, MOVIE AND THAT’S WHAT WAS SO
GREAT, IT HAD A BEGINNING,
MIDDLE AND AN END AND IT HAD GREAT, IT HAD A BEGINNING,
MIDDLE AND AN END AND IT HAD
ACTION AND WAS A THRILLER IN MIDDLE AND AN END AND IT HAD
ACTION AND WAS A THRILLER IN
ITS OWN RIGHT BUT THE MOST ACTION AND WAS A THRILLER IN
ITS OWN RIGHT BUT THE MOST
IMPORTANT THING TO ME, MORE ITS OWN RIGHT BUT THE MOST
IMPORTANT THING TO ME, MORE
THAN WHATEVER TIME PERIOD, IMPORTANT THING TO ME, MORE
THAN WHATEVER TIME PERIOD,
THEY COULD HAVE CHOSEN THAN WHATEVER TIME PERIOD,
THEY COULD HAVE CHOSEN
ANOTHER WEEK, HOW DID LINCOLN THEY COULD HAVE CHOSEN
ANOTHER WEEK, HOW DID LINCOLN
COME OUT, AND THIS WAS THE ANOTHER WEEK, HOW DID LINCOLN
COME OUT, AND THIS WAS THE
LINCOLN I KNEW, WITH COME OUT, AND THIS WAS THE
LINCOLN I KNEW, WITH
STRENGTH, WARMTH, HUMOR, AND LINCOLN I KNEW, WITH
STRENGTH, WARMTH, HUMOR, AND
THERE ARE SCENES IN THERE STRENGTH, WARMTH, HUMOR, AND
THERE ARE SCENES IN THERE
THAT SO CAPTURE HIM WHEN HE THERE ARE SCENES IN THERE
THAT SO CAPTURE HIM WHEN HE
GOES TO THE TELEGRAPH OFFICE THAT SO CAPTURE HIM WHEN HE
GOES TO THE TELEGRAPH OFFICE
AND HE’S LEAVING AND HE PUTS GOES TO THE TELEGRAPH OFFICE
AND HE’S LEAVING AND HE PUTS
HIS HAND ON THE TELEGRAPH AND HE’S LEAVING AND HE PUTS
HIS HAND ON THE TELEGRAPH
OPERATOR’S, THE SCENES WHEN HIS HAND ON THE TELEGRAPH
OPERATOR’S, THE SCENES WHEN
HE GOES TO THE BATTLEFIELD OPERATOR’S, THE SCENES WHEN
HE GOES TO THE BATTLEFIELD
AND YOU CAN SEE THAT HE GOES TO THE BATTLEFIELD
AND YOU CAN SEE THAT
INCREDIBLE SADNESS IN HIS AND YOU CAN SEE THAT
INCREDIBLE SADNESS IN HIS
FACE BECAUSE HE FEELS INCREDIBLE SADNESS IN HIS
FACE BECAUSE HE FEELS
RESPONSIBLE. FACE BECAUSE HE FEELS
RESPONSIBLE.
I MEAN, I KNEW THAT HE WENT RESPONSIBLE.
I MEAN, I KNEW THAT HE WENT
TO THE BATTLEFIELD A DOZEN I MEAN, I KNEW THAT HE WENT
TO THE BATTLEFIELD A DOZEN
TIMES DURING THE WAR BUT THIS TO THE BATTLEFIELD A DOZEN
TIMES DURING THE WAR BUT THIS
LAST TIME HE WENT WAS MORE TIMES DURING THE WAR BUT THIS
LAST TIME HE WENT WAS MORE
INTENSE THAN EVER BEFORE LAST TIME HE WENT WAS MORE
INTENSE THAN EVER BEFORE
BECAUSE HE KNEW HE HAD INTENSE THAN EVER BEFORE
BECAUSE HE KNEW HE HAD
EXTENDED THE WAR BUT NOT BECAUSE HE KNEW HE HAD
EXTENDED THE WAR BUT NOT
LETTING THE PEACE EXTENDED THE WAR BUT NOT
LETTING THE PEACE
COMMISSIONERS COMING TO LETTING THE PEACE
COMMISSIONERS COMING TO
WASHINGTON SO EVERY DEATH WAS COMMISSIONERS COMING TO
WASHINGTON SO EVERY DEATH WAS
REALLY HIS, EVEN THOUGH HE WASHINGTON SO EVERY DEATH WAS
REALLY HIS, EVEN THOUGH HE
HAD FELT IT BEFORE AS REALLY HIS, EVEN THOUGH HE
HAD FELT IT BEFORE AS
PRESIDENT. HAD FELT IT BEFORE AS
PRESIDENT.
SO THEY CAPTURED IN INTENSITY PRESIDENT.
SO THEY CAPTURED IN INTENSITY
THE GUY THAT I FELL IN LOVE SO THEY CAPTURED IN INTENSITY
THE GUY THAT I FELL IN LOVE
WITH. THE GUY THAT I FELL IN LOVE
WITH.
SO I’M VERY GLAD. WITH.
SO I’M VERY GLAD.
>>NOW, PART OF THE BRINGING SO I’M VERY GLAD.
>>NOW, PART OF THE BRINGING
THE FILM TO LIFE IS, OF >>NOW, PART OF THE BRINGING
THE FILM TO LIFE IS, OF
COURSE, THE CASTING, THE THE FILM TO LIFE IS, OF
COURSE, THE CASTING, THE
LOCATION, THE SET, YOUR COURSE, THE CASTING, THE
LOCATION, THE SET, YOUR
DECISION TO CATCH RICHMOND IN LOCATION, THE SET, YOUR
DECISION TO CATCH RICHMOND IN
THE ROLE OF WASHINGTON WAS, DECISION TO CATCH RICHMOND IN
THE ROLE OF WASHINGTON WAS,
LET’S SAY, IRONIC TO SAY THE THE ROLE OF WASHINGTON WAS,
LET’S SAY, IRONIC TO SAY THE
LEAST. LET’S SAY, IRONIC TO SAY THE
LEAST.
>>[LAUGHTER] LEAST.
>>[LAUGHTER]
>>A FEW PEOPLE ARE SPINNING, >>[LAUGHTER]
>>A FEW PEOPLE ARE SPINNING,
BUT OTHERS — >>A FEW PEOPLE ARE SPINNING,
BUT OTHERS —
>>[LAUGHTER] BUT OTHERS —
>>[LAUGHTER]
>>WOULD YOU SPEAK ON >>[LAUGHTER]
>>WOULD YOU SPEAK ON
CHOOSING VIRGINIA AS THE >>WOULD YOU SPEAK ON
CHOOSING VIRGINIA AS THE
LOCATION? CHOOSING VIRGINIA AS THE
LOCATION?
STEVE? LOCATION?
STEVE?
>>I HAD SHOT TWO PICTURES IN STEVE?
>>I HAD SHOT TWO PICTURES IN
VIRGINIA, BUT PORTIONS OF TWO >>I HAD SHOT TWO PICTURES IN
VIRGINIA, BUT PORTIONS OF TWO
PICTURES, UNLIKE LINCOLN, VIRGINIA, BUT PORTIONS OF TWO
PICTURES, UNLIKE LINCOLN,
WHERE THE ENTIRE PICTURE WAS PICTURES, UNLIKE LINCOLN,
WHERE THE ENTIRE PICTURE WAS
SHOT HERE. WHERE THE ENTIRE PICTURE WAS
SHOT HERE.
I SHOT TWO TOM CRUISE MOVIES, SHOT HERE.
I SHOT TWO TOM CRUISE MOVIES,
WAR OF THE WORLDS AND I SHOT TWO TOM CRUISE MOVIES,
WAR OF THE WORLDS AND
MINORITY REPORT, SHOT ABOUT WAR OF THE WORLDS AND
MINORITY REPORT, SHOT ABOUT
ONE THIRD OF MINORITY REPORT MINORITY REPORT, SHOT ABOUT
ONE THIRD OF MINORITY REPORT
HERE, SHOT ABOUT AN EIGHTH OF ONE THIRD OF MINORITY REPORT
HERE, SHOT ABOUT AN EIGHTH OF
WAR OF THE WORLDS, AND I WAS HERE, SHOT ABOUT AN EIGHTH OF
WAR OF THE WORLDS, AND I WAS
VERY, VERY IMPRESSED WITH THE WAR OF THE WORLDS, AND I WAS
VERY, VERY IMPRESSED WITH THE
AMOUNT OF COOPERATION WE GOT VERY, VERY IMPRESSED WITH THE
AMOUNT OF COOPERATION WE GOT
ON A LOCAL LEVEL, ON A AMOUNT OF COOPERATION WE GOT
ON A LOCAL LEVEL, ON A
GOVERNMENT LEVEL, CIVIC ON A LOCAL LEVEL, ON A
GOVERNMENT LEVEL, CIVIC
LEVEL, BUT REALLY, JUST A GOVERNMENT LEVEL, CIVIC
LEVEL, BUT REALLY, JUST A
LOCAL LEVEL IN TERMS OF LEVEL, BUT REALLY, JUST A
LOCAL LEVEL IN TERMS OF
COOPERATION WITH THE POLICE, LOCAL LEVEL IN TERMS OF
COOPERATION WITH THE POLICE,
WITH HOW THEY SAFEGUARDED US COOPERATION WITH THE POLICE,
WITH HOW THEY SAFEGUARDED US
AND IN TERMS OF THE AMAZING WITH HOW THEY SAFEGUARDED US
AND IN TERMS OF THE AMAZING
AMOUNT OF VOLUNTEERISM, WITH AND IN TERMS OF THE AMAZING
AMOUNT OF VOLUNTEERISM, WITH
EXTRAS COMING OUT, WANTING TO AMOUNT OF VOLUNTEERISM, WITH
EXTRAS COMING OUT, WANTING TO
BE IN THESE MOVIES AND BEING EXTRAS COMING OUT, WANTING TO
BE IN THESE MOVIES AND BEING
REALLY NICE ABOUT IT, AND BE IN THESE MOVIES AND BEING
REALLY NICE ABOUT IT, AND
I’VE SHOT IN PLACES WHERE REALLY NICE ABOUT IT, AND
I’VE SHOT IN PLACES WHERE
THEY’RE NOT SO NICE ABOUT I’VE SHOT IN PLACES WHERE
THEY’RE NOT SO NICE ABOUT
THAT. THEY’RE NOT SO NICE ABOUT
THAT.
AND — BUT WE WERE THAT.
AND — BUT WE WERE
CONSIDERING, YOU KNOW, AND — BUT WE WERE
CONSIDERING, YOU KNOW,
BECAUSE THIS MOVIE IS SHOT ON CONSIDERING, YOU KNOW,
BECAUSE THIS MOVIE IS SHOT ON
A RELATIVELY LOW BUDGET FOR BECAUSE THIS MOVIE IS SHOT ON
A RELATIVELY LOW BUDGET FOR
WHAT APPEARS ON THE SCREEN, I A RELATIVELY LOW BUDGET FOR
WHAT APPEARS ON THE SCREEN, I
COULDN’T REALLY SPEND THE WHAT APPEARS ON THE SCREEN, I
COULDN’T REALLY SPEND THE
KIND OF MONEY ON LINCOLN AS I COULDN’T REALLY SPEND THE
KIND OF MONEY ON LINCOLN AS I
WOULD HAVE SPENT ON EVEN WAR KIND OF MONEY ON LINCOLN AS I
WOULD HAVE SPENT ON EVEN WAR
— WHICH I MADE BEFORE WOULD HAVE SPENT ON EVEN WAR
— WHICH I MADE BEFORE
LINCOLN, SO THERE WAS A VERY — WHICH I MADE BEFORE
LINCOLN, SO THERE WAS A VERY
NICE TAX REBATE, AND I HAVE LINCOLN, SO THERE WAS A VERY
NICE TAX REBATE, AND I HAVE
TO BE HONEST, THERE WAS NICE TAX REBATE, AND I HAVE
TO BE HONEST, THERE WAS
INCENTIVE IN THAT. TO BE HONEST, THERE WAS
INCENTIVE IN THAT.
THANK YOU GOVERNOR INCENTIVE IN THAT.
THANK YOU GOVERNOR
McDONNELL! THANK YOU GOVERNOR
McDONNELL!
>> IT WAS A GOOD INCENTIVE. McDONNELL!
>> IT WAS A GOOD INCENTIVE.
BUT THE INCENTIVE OF COMING >> IT WAS A GOOD INCENTIVE.
BUT THE INCENTIVE OF COMING
HERE WAS ONE PHONE BUT THE INCENTIVE OF COMING
HERE WAS ONE PHONE
CONVERSATION WITH YOUR HERE WAS ONE PHONE
CONVERSATION WITH YOUR
GOVERNOR WHERE HE REALLY FELT CONVERSATION WITH YOUR
GOVERNOR WHERE HE REALLY FELT
— GOVERNOR WHERE HE REALLY FELT

>>[APPLAUSE] —
>>[APPLAUSE]
>>WHERE HE GOT VERY >>[APPLAUSE]
>>WHERE HE GOT VERY
PROACTIVE WITH ME AND HE WAS >>WHERE HE GOT VERY
PROACTIVE WITH ME AND HE WAS
TALKING ABOUT A KIND OF PROACTIVE WITH ME AND HE WAS
TALKING ABOUT A KIND OF
HEALING EFFECT THAT SOMETHING TALKING ABOUT A KIND OF
HEALING EFFECT THAT SOMETHING
LIKE THIS COULD HAVE, OLD MEM HEALING EFFECT THAT SOMETHING
LIKE THIS COULD HAVE, OLD MEM
MEZE IN THE DNA OFTEN ON BOTH LIKE THIS COULD HAVE, OLD MEM
MEZE IN THE DNA OFTEN ON BOTH
SIDES OF THE MASON-DIXON LINE MEZE IN THE DNA OFTEN ON BOTH
SIDES OF THE MASON-DIXON LINE
AND THE FACT THAT HE WAS SIDES OF THE MASON-DIXON LINE
AND THE FACT THAT HE WAS
MINDFUL OF THAT MADE ME FEEL AND THE FACT THAT HE WAS
MINDFUL OF THAT MADE ME FEEL
THAT HE WAS A MINDFUL PERSON, MINDFUL OF THAT MADE ME FEEL
THAT HE WAS A MINDFUL PERSON,
AND WE WOULD BE VERY THAT HE WAS A MINDFUL PERSON,
AND WE WOULD BE VERY
COMFORTABLE IN THIS STATE, AND WE WOULD BE VERY
COMFORTABLE IN THIS STATE,
TELLING THE STORY. COMFORTABLE IN THIS STATE,
TELLING THE STORY.
>>WELL, OUR GOVERNOR HAS TELLING THE STORY.
>>WELL, OUR GOVERNOR HAS
REMARKED ABOUT THE SHOCK OF >>WELL, OUR GOVERNOR HAS
REMARKED ABOUT THE SHOCK OF
COMING HOME TO THE MANSION REMARKED ABOUT THE SHOCK OF
COMING HOME TO THE MANSION
AND FINDING THE UNION COMING HOME TO THE MANSION
AND FINDING THE UNION
SOLDIERS ON THE FRONT LAWN. AND FINDING THE UNION
SOLDIERS ON THE FRONT LAWN.
>>[LAUGHTER] SOLDIERS ON THE FRONT LAWN.
>>[LAUGHTER]
>>AND GOING INSIDE THE >>[LAUGHTER]
>>AND GOING INSIDE THE
MANSION AND FINDING LINCOLN >>AND GOING INSIDE THE
MANSION AND FINDING LINCOLN
IN THE KITCHEN! MANSION AND FINDING LINCOLN
IN THE KITCHEN!
>> [LAUGHTER] IN THE KITCHEN!
>> [LAUGHTER]
>>I WAS TEMPTED TO HAVE ONE >> [LAUGHTER]
>>I WAS TEMPTED TO HAVE ONE
OF MY ACTORS GO OVER TO HIM, >>I WAS TEMPTED TO HAVE ONE
OF MY ACTORS GO OVER TO HIM,
ONE OF THE GUARDS, AND SAY OF MY ACTORS GO OVER TO HIM,
ONE OF THE GUARDS, AND SAY
STOP AND BE RECOGNIZED. ONE OF THE GUARDS, AND SAY
STOP AND BE RECOGNIZED.
BUT I DIDN’T DO IT. STOP AND BE RECOGNIZED.
BUT I DIDN’T DO IT.
>>[LAUGHTER] BUT I DIDN’T DO IT.
>>[LAUGHTER]
>>HOW RARE IS IT IN THIS DAY >>[LAUGHTER]
>>HOW RARE IS IT IN THIS DAY
AND TIME TO FIND A PLACE LIKE >>HOW RARE IS IT IN THIS DAY
AND TIME TO FIND A PLACE LIKE
PETERSBERG WHERE YOU CAN JUST AND TIME TO FIND A PLACE LIKE
PETERSBERG WHERE YOU CAN JUST
ABOUT SHOOT 360 DEGREES IN PETERSBERG WHERE YOU CAN JUST
ABOUT SHOOT 360 DEGREES IN
ONE DIRECTION AND STAY IN AN ABOUT SHOOT 360 DEGREES IN
ONE DIRECTION AND STAY IN AN
HISTORICAL PERIOD? ONE DIRECTION AND STAY IN AN
HISTORICAL PERIOD?
I MEAN, THAT’S — HISTORICAL PERIOD?
I MEAN, THAT’S —
>>THE THING I REALLY LIKE I MEAN, THAT’S —
>>THE THING I REALLY LIKE
EVEN MORE THAN MY COAST IS >>THE THING I REALLY LIKE
EVEN MORE THAN MY COAST IS
THAT CLOSER TO THIS COAST, EVEN MORE THAN MY COAST IS
THAT CLOSER TO THIS COAST,
THERE’S A GREAT DEAL OF THAT CLOSER TO THIS COAST,
THERE’S A GREAT DEAL OF
TRADITION AND THERE’S A GREAT THERE’S A GREAT DEAL OF
TRADITION AND THERE’S A GREAT
DEAL OF RESPECT FOR THE PAST, TRADITION AND THERE’S A GREAT
DEAL OF RESPECT FOR THE PAST,
AND THE RESPECT FOR HISTORY, DEAL OF RESPECT FOR THE PAST,
AND THE RESPECT FOR HISTORY,
AND A PRESERVATION OF AND THE RESPECT FOR HISTORY,
AND A PRESERVATION OF
HISTORICAL STRUCTURES AND AND A PRESERVATION OF
HISTORICAL STRUCTURES AND
MONUMENTS, AND THE FACT THAT HISTORICAL STRUCTURES AND
MONUMENTS, AND THE FACT THAT
WE GET A LOT MORE OF THAT OUT MONUMENTS, AND THE FACT THAT
WE GET A LOT MORE OF THAT OUT
HERE IN WASHINGTON, UP THE WE GET A LOT MORE OF THAT OUT
HERE IN WASHINGTON, UP THE
COAST IN MAINE, YOU KNOW, NEW HERE IN WASHINGTON, UP THE
COAST IN MAINE, YOU KNOW, NEW
ENGLAND. COAST IN MAINE, YOU KNOW, NEW
ENGLAND.
THERE’S A LOT MORE RESPECT ENGLAND.
THERE’S A LOT MORE RESPECT
FOR HISTORY. THERE’S A LOT MORE RESPECT
FOR HISTORY.
SO YOU GET TO PETERSBERG AND FOR HISTORY.
SO YOU GET TO PETERSBERG AND
IT’S TRUE, EXCEPT FOR SO YOU GET TO PETERSBERG AND
IT’S TRUE, EXCEPT FOR
DIGITALLY TAKING DOWN SOME OF IT’S TRUE, EXCEPT FOR
DIGITALLY TAKING DOWN SOME OF
THE TELEPHONE WIRES, DIGITALLY TAKING DOWN SOME OF
THE TELEPHONE WIRES,
EVERYTHING ELSE WAS EXACTLY THE TELEPHONE WIRES,
EVERYTHING ELSE WAS EXACTLY
AS YOU SAW IT IN THE PICTURE EVERYTHING ELSE WAS EXACTLY
AS YOU SAW IT IN THE PICTURE
IS WHAT YOU SEE WHEN YOU GO AS YOU SAW IT IN THE PICTURE
IS WHAT YOU SEE WHEN YOU GO
TO PETERSBERG AND SEE THIS IS WHAT YOU SEE WHEN YOU GO
TO PETERSBERG AND SEE THIS
PERFECTLY PRESERVED TOWN, TO PETERSBERG AND SEE THIS
PERFECTLY PRESERVED TOWN,
VERY HISTORICALLY RELEVANT PERFECTLY PRESERVED TOWN,
VERY HISTORICALLY RELEVANT
PLACE IN AMERICA. VERY HISTORICALLY RELEVANT
PLACE IN AMERICA.
>>AND — NOT TO SOUR THAT, PLACE IN AMERICA.
>>AND — NOT TO SOUR THAT,
BUT I HAVE TO ADMIT THAT I >>AND — NOT TO SOUR THAT,
BUT I HAVE TO ADMIT THAT I
WAS A LITTLE BIT SHOCKED AT BUT I HAVE TO ADMIT THAT I
WAS A LITTLE BIT SHOCKED AT
THE CONDITION OF SOME OF THE WAS A LITTLE BIT SHOCKED AT
THE CONDITION OF SOME OF THE
HISTORICAL — I MEAN THE THE CONDITION OF SOME OF THE
HISTORICAL — I MEAN THE
HISTORICAL SITES, ESPECIALLY HISTORICAL — I MEAN THE
HISTORICAL SITES, ESPECIALLY
IN PETERSBERG, AND IT SEEMS HISTORICAL SITES, ESPECIALLY
IN PETERSBERG, AND IT SEEMS
GENUINELY APPALLING TO ME IN PETERSBERG, AND IT SEEMS
GENUINELY APPALLING TO ME
THAT A COUNTRY, THE SIZE OF GENUINELY APPALLING TO ME
THAT A COUNTRY, THE SIZE OF
THIS COUNTRY, WITH THE WEALTH THAT A COUNTRY, THE SIZE OF
THIS COUNTRY, WITH THE WEALTH
OF THIS COUNTRY, THAT WE HAVE THIS COUNTRY, WITH THE WEALTH
OF THIS COUNTRY, THAT WE HAVE
THIS CITY THAT FIGURES SO OF THIS COUNTRY, THAT WE HAVE
THIS CITY THAT FIGURES SO
SIGNIFICANTLY IN ONE OF THE THIS CITY THAT FIGURES SO
SIGNIFICANTLY IN ONE OF THE
GREAT MOMENTS OF OUR — THE SIGNIFICANTLY IN ONE OF THE
GREAT MOMENTS OF OUR — THE
GREAT CRIME OF OUR COUNTRY, GREAT MOMENTS OF OUR — THE
GREAT CRIME OF OUR COUNTRY,
THAT THE BUILDINGS WERE SCARE GREAT CRIME OF OUR COUNTRY,
THAT THE BUILDINGS WERE SCARE
ILY IN RUN DOWN THAT THE BUILDINGS WERE SCARE
ILY IN RUN DOWN
CONDITION AND SO MUCH OF ILY IN RUN DOWN
CONDITION AND SO MUCH OF
PETERSBURG THAT SHOULD BE CONDITION AND SO MUCH OF
PETERSBURG THAT SHOULD BE
PRESERVED WITH GOVERNMENT PETERSBURG THAT SHOULD BE
PRESERVED WITH GOVERNMENT
EXPENDITURE. PRESERVED WITH GOVERNMENT
EXPENDITURE.
>>THAT IS THE MAGIC OF THE EXPENDITURE.
>>THAT IS THE MAGIC OF THE
LIMIT LYNN — OF THE FILM >>THAT IS THE MAGIC OF THE
LIMIT LYNN — OF THE FILM
LINCOLN. LIMIT LYNN — OF THE FILM
LINCOLN.
SINCE IT CAME OUT THERE’S LINCOLN.
SINCE IT CAME OUT THERE’S
BEEN TREMENDOUS CHANGE TO THE SINCE IT CAME OUT THERE’S
BEEN TREMENDOUS CHANGE TO THE
GOVERNMENT AND THE TOURISM BEEN TREMENDOUS CHANGE TO THE
GOVERNMENT AND THE TOURISM
OFFICE ARE WORKING — THERE GOVERNMENT AND THE TOURISM
OFFICE ARE WORKING — THERE
ARE TOURS TO GO TO PLACES, OFFICE ARE WORKING — THERE
ARE TOURS TO GO TO PLACES,
THAT YOU WERE THERE, SO THERE ARE TOURS TO GO TO PLACES,
THAT YOU WERE THERE, SO THERE
IS A MAJOR IMPACT ON THE THAT YOU WERE THERE, SO THERE
IS A MAJOR IMPACT ON THE
POWER OF THE FILM, THE WORK IS A MAJOR IMPACT ON THE
POWER OF THE FILM, THE WORK
THAT YOU DO. POWER OF THE FILM, THE WORK
THAT YOU DO.
>>I DROPPED A PENKNIFE IN THAT YOU DO.
>>I DROPPED A PENKNIFE IN
PETERSBURG. >>I DROPPED A PENKNIFE IN
PETERSBURG.
IF ANYBODY FINDS IT, WILL YOU PETERSBURG.
IF ANYBODY FINDS IT, WILL YOU
LET ME KNOW? IF ANYBODY FINDS IT, WILL YOU
LET ME KNOW?
IT SAYS BOY SCOUTS OF AMERICA LET ME KNOW?
IT SAYS BOY SCOUTS OF AMERICA
ON THE SIDE, 294 ROOSEVELT IT SAYS BOY SCOUTS OF AMERICA
ON THE SIDE, 294 ROOSEVELT
COUNCIL. ON THE SIDE, 294 ROOSEVELT
COUNCIL.
>>WOW, WAS IT YOURS? COUNCIL.
>>WOW, WAS IT YOURS?
SINCE YOU WERE A KID? >>WOW, WAS IT YOURS?
SINCE YOU WERE A KID?
>>MY GRANDPA’S. SINCE YOU WERE A KID?
>>MY GRANDPA’S.
>>MY GOD. >>MY GRANDPA’S.
>>MY GOD.
>>WE’LL LOOK FOR THAT! >>MY GOD.
>>WE’LL LOOK FOR THAT!
>> 300 PEOPLE ARE — >>WE’LL LOOK FOR THAT!
>> 300 PEOPLE ARE —
>>THEY’RE ALREADY OUT THERE! >> 300 PEOPLE ARE —
>>THEY’RE ALREADY OUT THERE!
>> IF YOU WANT TO GET ON >>THEY’RE ALREADY OUT THERE!
>> IF YOU WANT TO GET ON
TELEVISION — BY STEVEN >> IF YOU WANT TO GET ON
TELEVISION — BY STEVEN
SPIELBERG. TELEVISION — BY STEVEN
SPIELBERG.
>>PEOPLE FIND LOST WEDDING SPIELBERG.
>>PEOPLE FIND LOST WEDDING
BANDS. >>PEOPLE FIND LOST WEDDING
BANDS.
>>YOUR 15 MINUTES OF FAME BANDS.
>>YOUR 15 MINUTES OF FAME
AWAITS YOU! >>YOUR 15 MINUTES OF FAME
AWAITS YOU!
>> SPEAKING OF SOMETHING, AWAITS YOU!
>> SPEAKING OF SOMETHING,
AND KIND OF GOING BACK TO >> SPEAKING OF SOMETHING,
AND KIND OF GOING BACK TO
WHAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT AND KIND OF GOING BACK TO
WHAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT
EARLIER, IN TERMS OF YOU WHAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT
EARLIER, IN TERMS OF YOU
FOUND A SPACE WITHIN THE EARLIER, IN TERMS OF YOU
FOUND A SPACE WITHIN THE
MATERIAL HISTORY THAT YOU FOUND A SPACE WITHIN THE
MATERIAL HISTORY THAT YOU
COULD SORT OF NOT PLAY WITH, MATERIAL HISTORY THAT YOU
COULD SORT OF NOT PLAY WITH,
BUT IN A SENSE PLAY THE BLACK COULD SORT OF NOT PLAY WITH,
BUT IN A SENSE PLAY THE BLACK
KEYS, AND — BUT WERE YOU NOT BUT IN A SENSE PLAY THE BLACK
KEYS, AND — BUT WERE YOU NOT
WORRIED THAT THE DENSITY OF KEYS, AND — BUT WERE YOU NOT
WORRIED THAT THE DENSITY OF
SOME OF THE MATERIAL, THE WORRIED THAT THE DENSITY OF
SOME OF THE MATERIAL, THE
LITERARY DENSITY OF THE SOME OF THE MATERIAL, THE
LITERARY DENSITY OF THE
MATERIAL MIGHT BE OVER THE LITERARY DENSITY OF THE
MATERIAL MIGHT BE OVER THE
HEAD OF THE FILM GOER? MATERIAL MIGHT BE OVER THE
HEAD OF THE FILM GOER?
>>I WAS COMPLETELY CONVINCED HEAD OF THE FILM GOER?
>>I WAS COMPLETELY CONVINCED
IT WOULD. >>I WAS COMPLETELY CONVINCED
IT WOULD.
>>[LAUGHTER] IT WOULD.
>>[LAUGHTER]
>>AND YET, I WAS ABSOLUTELY >>[LAUGHTER]
>>AND YET, I WAS ABSOLUTELY
COMMITTED AND DETERMINED TO >>AND YET, I WAS ABSOLUTELY
COMMITTED AND DETERMINED TO
MAKE PEOPLE EARN THEIR COMMITTED AND DETERMINED TO
MAKE PEOPLE EARN THEIR
UNDERSTANDING OF THESE MAKE PEOPLE EARN THEIR
UNDERSTANDING OF THESE
DIFFICULT, COMPLICATED UNDERSTANDING OF THESE
DIFFICULT, COMPLICATED
ISSUES, IN A LANGUAGE THAT DIFFICULT, COMPLICATED
ISSUES, IN A LANGUAGE THAT
HAS BEEN FORGOTTEN AND NOT ISSUES, IN A LANGUAGE THAT
HAS BEEN FORGOTTEN AND NOT
WRITTEN ABOUT IN 150 YEARS, HAS BEEN FORGOTTEN AND NOT
WRITTEN ABOUT IN 150 YEARS,
AND I THOUGHT THAT MAYBE WRITTEN ABOUT IN 150 YEARS,
AND I THOUGHT THAT MAYBE
YOU’D HAVE TO SEE IT TWICE TO AND I THOUGHT THAT MAYBE
YOU’D HAVE TO SEE IT TWICE TO
REALLY START TO UNDERSTAND YOU’D HAVE TO SEE IT TWICE TO
REALLY START TO UNDERSTAND
WHAT THEY WERE ACTUALLY REALLY START TO UNDERSTAND
WHAT THEY WERE ACTUALLY
SAYING. WHAT THEY WERE ACTUALLY
SAYING.
BUT THAT WASN’T THE REAL SAYING.
BUT THAT WASN’T THE REAL
POINT. BUT THAT WASN’T THE REAL
POINT.
THE POINT WAS THAT IT WOULD POINT.
THE POINT WAS THAT IT WOULD
HAVE BEEN VERY, VERY EASY TO THE POINT WAS THAT IT WOULD
HAVE BEEN VERY, VERY EASY TO
HAVE ABRIDGED THE LANGUAGE HAVE BEEN VERY, VERY EASY TO
HAVE ABRIDGED THE LANGUAGE
AND MADE THIS A LITTLE MORE HAVE ABRIDGED THE LANGUAGE
AND MADE THIS A LITTLE MORE
PALATABLE FOR AN AUDIENCE AND MADE THIS A LITTLE MORE
PALATABLE FOR AN AUDIENCE
THAT LOVES TO SEE MOVIES LIKE PALATABLE FOR AN AUDIENCE
THAT LOVES TO SEE MOVIES LIKE
AVENGERS, AND I LOVE THOSE THAT LOVES TO SEE MOVIES LIKE
AVENGERS, AND I LOVE THOSE
MOVIES, TOO, TO REALLY — BUT AVENGERS, AND I LOVE THOSE
MOVIES, TOO, TO REALLY — BUT
THE THING THAT’S SO AMAZING MOVIES, TOO, TO REALLY — BUT
THE THING THAT’S SO AMAZING
IS, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF THE THE THING THAT’S SO AMAZING
IS, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF THE
PEOPLE THAT ARE SEEING THE IS, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF THE
PEOPLE THAT ARE SEEING THE
ADVENTURES ARE SEEING LINCOLN PEOPLE THAT ARE SEEING THE
ADVENTURES ARE SEEING LINCOLN
AND UNDERSTANDING IT ON A SUB ADVENTURES ARE SEEING LINCOLN
AND UNDERSTANDING IT ON A SUB
ATOMIC LEVEL IN A WAY THAT IF AND UNDERSTANDING IT ON A SUB
ATOMIC LEVEL IN A WAY THAT IF
YOU DIDN’T UNDERSTAND IN THE ATOMIC LEVEL IN A WAY THAT IF
YOU DIDN’T UNDERSTAND IN THE
FIRST 15 MINUTES WHAT THE YOU DIDN’T UNDERSTAND IN THE
FIRST 15 MINUTES WHAT THE
ISSUES ARE, YOU QUICKLY GAIN FIRST 15 MINUTES WHAT THE
ISSUES ARE, YOU QUICKLY GAIN
AN UNDERSTANDING OF EVERY ISSUES ARE, YOU QUICKLY GAIN
AN UNDERSTANDING OF EVERY
DETAIL AS LONG AS YOU LISTEN. AN UNDERSTANDING OF EVERY
DETAIL AS LONG AS YOU LISTEN.
AS LONG AS YOU LEAN FORWARD DETAIL AS LONG AS YOU LISTEN.
AS LONG AS YOU LEAN FORWARD
IN YOUR SIT AND YOU PAY AS LONG AS YOU LEAN FORWARD
IN YOUR SIT AND YOU PAY
ATTENTION AND YOU FOCUS ON IN YOUR SIT AND YOU PAY
ATTENTION AND YOU FOCUS ON
THE WORDS, AND IT MAKES IT ATTENTION AND YOU FOCUS ON
THE WORDS, AND IT MAKES IT
VERY, VERY EASY TO LISTEN THE WORDS, AND IT MAKES IT
VERY, VERY EASY TO LISTEN
WHEN YOU HAVE ACTORS LIKE VERY, VERY EASY TO LISTEN
WHEN YOU HAVE ACTORS LIKE
JONES, SALLY FIELD, LIKE WHEN YOU HAVE ACTORS LIKE
JONES, SALLY FIELD, LIKE
JIMMY SPADE, AND AN ACTOR JONES, SALLY FIELD, LIKE
JIMMY SPADE, AND AN ACTOR
LIKE DAVID STERN AND DANIEL JIMMY SPADE, AND AN ACTOR
LIKE DAVID STERN AND DANIEL
DAY-LEWIS SAYING THE WORDS LIKE DAVID STERN AND DANIEL
DAY-LEWIS SAYING THE WORDS
BUT IN A WAY WHERE YOU DAY-LEWIS SAYING THE WORDS
BUT IN A WAY WHERE YOU
CONNECT WITH THEIR SPIRITUAL BUT IN A WAY WHERE YOU
CONNECT WITH THEIR SPIRITUAL
INTERIORS, YOU UNDERSTAND ON CONNECT WITH THEIR SPIRITUAL
INTERIORS, YOU UNDERSTAND ON
A SPIRITUAL LEVEL, ON AN INTERIORS, YOU UNDERSTAND ON
A SPIRITUAL LEVEL, ON AN
EMOTIONAL LEVEL, WHAT THEY’RE A SPIRITUAL LEVEL, ON AN
EMOTIONAL LEVEL, WHAT THEY’RE
TRYING TO SAY. EMOTIONAL LEVEL, WHAT THEY’RE
TRYING TO SAY.
>>YOU BROUGHT UP THE ACTORS. TRYING TO SAY.
>>YOU BROUGHT UP THE ACTORS.
A LOT HAS BEEN SAID ABOUT THE >>YOU BROUGHT UP THE ACTORS.
A LOT HAS BEEN SAID ABOUT THE
INCREDIBLE WORK OF THE ACTORS A LOT HAS BEEN SAID ABOUT THE
INCREDIBLE WORK OF THE ACTORS
IN THIS FILM, THAT’S OUR INCREDIBLE WORK OF THE ACTORS
IN THIS FILM, THAT’S OUR
SYMBOL FOR THE FILM. IN THIS FILM, THAT’S OUR
SYMBOL FOR THE FILM.
HOW CHALLENGING WAS IT FOR SYMBOL FOR THE FILM.
HOW CHALLENGING WAS IT FOR
YOU TO ALLOW SORT OF THE HOW CHALLENGING WAS IT FOR
YOU TO ALLOW SORT OF THE
ORGANIC NEEDS OF THE ACTOR TO YOU TO ALLOW SORT OF THE
ORGANIC NEEDS OF THE ACTOR TO
FLOW FREELY WHILE AT THE SAME ORGANIC NEEDS OF THE ACTOR TO
FLOW FREELY WHILE AT THE SAME
TIME ACCOMPLISH YOUR NEEDS AS FLOW FREELY WHILE AT THE SAME
TIME ACCOMPLISH YOUR NEEDS AS
A DIRECTOR AND YOUR VISION? TIME ACCOMPLISH YOUR NEEDS AS
A DIRECTOR AND YOUR VISION?
ESPECIALLY WITH SOMEONE LIKE A DIRECTOR AND YOUR VISION?
ESPECIALLY WITH SOMEONE LIKE
DANIEL DAY-LEWIS? ESPECIALLY WITH SOMEONE LIKE
DANIEL DAY-LEWIS?
>>YOU KNOW WHAT REALLY DANIEL DAY-LEWIS?
>>YOU KNOW WHAT REALLY
HELPED? >>YOU KNOW WHAT REALLY
HELPED?
WE DIDN’T DO ANY IMPROVISING, HELPED?
WE DIDN’T DO ANY IMPROVISING,
BECAUSE IT’S VERY HARD FOR WE DIDN’T DO ANY IMPROVISING,
BECAUSE IT’S VERY HARD FOR
21ST CENTURY ACTORS TO BE BECAUSE IT’S VERY HARD FOR
21ST CENTURY ACTORS TO BE
ABLE TO TAKE THE IDIOM OF THE 21ST CENTURY ACTORS TO BE
ABLE TO TAKE THE IDIOM OF THE
19TH CENTURY AND FOLD THAT SO ABLE TO TAKE THE IDIOM OF THE
19TH CENTURY AND FOLD THAT SO
INTRINSICALLY INTO WHO THEY 19TH CENTURY AND FOLD THAT SO
INTRINSICALLY INTO WHO THEY
ARE THAT IT’S GOING TO COME INTRINSICALLY INTO WHO THEY
ARE THAT IT’S GOING TO COME
OUT SOUNDING NATURAL, SO WE ARE THAT IT’S GOING TO COME
OUT SOUNDING NATURAL, SO WE
DID WHAT PLAY RIGHTS LIKE OUT SOUNDING NATURAL, SO WE
DID WHAT PLAY RIGHTS LIKE
TONY KUSHNER AND DORIS, WE DID WHAT PLAY RIGHTS LIKE
TONY KUSHNER AND DORIS, WE
STUCK WITH THE LINE — WITH TONY KUSHNER AND DORIS, WE
STUCK WITH THE LINE — WITH
THE SCRIPT, LINE FOR LINE. STUCK WITH THE LINE — WITH
THE SCRIPT, LINE FOR LINE.
WE DIDN’T GO OFF THE SCRIPT THE SCRIPT, LINE FOR LINE.
WE DIDN’T GO OFF THE SCRIPT
AND WHEN I DID GO OFF THE WE DIDN’T GO OFF THE SCRIPT
AND WHEN I DID GO OFF THE
SCRIPT, I’D HEAR FROM TONY. AND WHEN I DID GO OFF THE
SCRIPT, I’D HEAR FROM TONY.
HE WAS SITTING 50 YARDS AWAY SCRIPT, I’D HEAR FROM TONY.
HE WAS SITTING 50 YARDS AWAY
AND MY ASSISTANT TOMMY WENT HE WAS SITTING 50 YARDS AWAY
AND MY ASSISTANT TOMMY WENT
OVER TO ME WITH THE FOLDED AND MY ASSISTANT TOMMY WENT
OVER TO ME WITH THE FOLDED
NOTE AND I WOULD OPEN THE OVER TO ME WITH THE FOLDED
NOTE AND I WOULD OPEN THE
FOLDED NOTE AND GO OH GOD, NOTE AND I WOULD OPEN THE
FOLDED NOTE AND GO OH GOD,
BUT A LOT OF THE NOTES WERE FOLDED NOTE AND GO OH GOD,
BUT A LOT OF THE NOTES WERE
ADDRESSED INSTANTLY, BUT WE BUT A LOT OF THE NOTES WERE
ADDRESSED INSTANTLY, BUT WE
REALLY, REALLY STUCK TO THE ADDRESSED INSTANTLY, BUT WE
REALLY, REALLY STUCK TO THE
TEXT. REALLY, REALLY STUCK TO THE
TEXT.
IT WAS VERY, VERY IMPORTANT. TEXT.
IT WAS VERY, VERY IMPORTANT.
TONY SPENT SIX, SEVEN YEARS IT WAS VERY, VERY IMPORTANT.
TONY SPENT SIX, SEVEN YEARS
WRITING THIS, DORIS SPENT A TONY SPENT SIX, SEVEN YEARS
WRITING THIS, DORIS SPENT A
DECADE WORKING ON HER BOOK. WRITING THIS, DORIS SPENT A
DECADE WORKING ON HER BOOK.
IT WAS VERY MUCH TUESDAYING DECADE WORKING ON HER BOOK.
IT WAS VERY MUCH TUESDAYING
THE LANGUAGE OF THE TIME, OF IT WAS VERY MUCH TUESDAYING
THE LANGUAGE OF THE TIME, OF
THE PERIOD. THE LANGUAGE OF THE TIME, OF
THE PERIOD.
I DIDN’T TELL THE ACTORS THEY THE PERIOD.
I DIDN’T TELL THE ACTORS THEY
COULDN’T COME UP WITH I DIDN’T TELL THE ACTORS THEY
COULDN’T COME UP WITH
INDIVIDUAL IDEAS FOR THEIR COULDN’T COME UP WITH
INDIVIDUAL IDEAS FOR THEIR
OWN CHARACTERS, BUT THEIR INDIVIDUAL IDEAS FOR THEIR
OWN CHARACTERS, BUT THEIR
IDEAS HAD TO SOMEHOW BE PART OWN CHARACTERS, BUT THEIR
IDEAS HAD TO SOMEHOW BE PART
OF THE STORY WE WERE TELLING. IDEAS HAD TO SOMEHOW BE PART
OF THE STORY WE WERE TELLING.
>>HOW DID YOU FIND THE VOICE OF THE STORY WE WERE TELLING.
>>HOW DID YOU FIND THE VOICE
OF THE 19TH CENTURY >>HOW DID YOU FIND THE VOICE
OF THE 19TH CENTURY
CHARACTERS? OF THE 19TH CENTURY
CHARACTERS?
I MEAN, IT SEEMS SO — OF CHARACTERS?
I MEAN, IT SEEMS SO — OF
COURSE, NOT ONLY FROM WHAT I I MEAN, IT SEEMS SO — OF
COURSE, NOT ONLY FROM WHAT I
READ BUT IT SEEMS SO REAL TO COURSE, NOT ONLY FROM WHAT I
READ BUT IT SEEMS SO REAL TO
ME THE WAY THEY SPOKE, THE READ BUT IT SEEMS SO REAL TO
ME THE WAY THEY SPOKE, THE
CADENCE. ME THE WAY THEY SPOKE, THE
CADENCE.
>>DIFFERENT CHARACTERS CAME CADENCE.
>>DIFFERENT CHARACTERS CAME
FROM DIFFERENT PLACES, BUT >>DIFFERENT CHARACTERS CAME
FROM DIFFERENT PLACES, BUT
THERE AREN’T TRANSCRIPTS THAT FROM DIFFERENT PLACES, BUT
THERE AREN’T TRANSCRIPTS THAT
ARE RELIABLE AS THE IDEA OF THERE AREN’T TRANSCRIPTS THAT
ARE RELIABLE AS THE IDEA OF
EXACTLY RECORDING WHAT PEOPLE ARE RELIABLE AS THE IDEA OF
EXACTLY RECORDING WHAT PEOPLE
WOULD SAY WHEN THEY WERE EXACTLY RECORDING WHAT PEOPLE
WOULD SAY WHEN THEY WERE
SPONTANEOUSLY. WOULD SAY WHEN THEY WERE
SPONTANEOUSLY.
IT DIDN’T REALLY EXIST IN THE SPONTANEOUSLY.
IT DIDN’T REALLY EXIST IN THE
19TH CENTURY. IT DIDN’T REALLY EXIST IN THE
19TH CENTURY.
BUT THERE’S ENOUGH 19TH CENTURY.
BUT THERE’S ENOUGH
TRANSCRIBED SO YOU CAN BEGIN BUT THERE’S ENOUGH
TRANSCRIBED SO YOU CAN BEGIN
TO GET A SENSE OR IMAGINE TRANSCRIBED SO YOU CAN BEGIN
TO GET A SENSE OR IMAGINE
WHAT KIND OF DICTION THEY TO GET A SENSE OR IMAGINE
WHAT KIND OF DICTION THEY
USED AND HOW MUCH MORE WHAT KIND OF DICTION THEY
USED AND HOW MUCH MORE
COMPLICATED IT IS THAN OURS. USED AND HOW MUCH MORE
COMPLICATED IT IS THAN OURS.
I CHECKED EVERY WORD THAT COMPLICATED IT IS THAN OURS.
I CHECKED EVERY WORD THAT
SEEMED IN ANY WAY I CHECKED EVERY WORD THAT
SEEMED IN ANY WAY
ANACHRONNISTIC IN THE ENGLISH SEEMED IN ANY WAY
ANACHRONNISTIC IN THE ENGLISH
OXFORD DICTIONARY, WHICH TOLD ANACHRONNISTIC IN THE ENGLISH
OXFORD DICTIONARY, WHICH TOLD
US WHEN THE WORD ENTERED THE OXFORD DICTIONARY, WHICH TOLD
US WHEN THE WORD ENTERED THE
ENGLISH LANGUAGE. US WHEN THE WORD ENTERED THE
ENGLISH LANGUAGE.
>>GLASER GASTED! ENGLISH LANGUAGE.
>>GLASER GASTED!
>> — FLABBERGASTED! >>GLASER GASTED!
>> — FLABBERGASTED!
>> I’M THE ONLY BLACK MAN TO >> — FLABBERGASTED!
>> I’M THE ONLY BLACK MAN TO
EVER USE THAT WORD! >> I’M THE ONLY BLACK MAN TO
EVER USE THAT WORD!
>> YOU KNOW, IT’S — I READ EVER USE THAT WORD!
>> YOU KNOW, IT’S — I READ
A LOT OF DICKENS, I READ A >> YOU KNOW, IT’S — I READ
A LOT OF DICKENS, I READ A
LOT OF DICKENS, ANYWAY, BUT A LOT OF DICKENS, I READ A
LOT OF DICKENS, ANYWAY, BUT
19TH CENTURY NOVELS HELPED A LOT OF DICKENS, ANYWAY, BUT
19TH CENTURY NOVELS HELPED A
CERTAIN AMOUNT. 19TH CENTURY NOVELS HELPED A
CERTAIN AMOUNT.
AND LINCOLN LOVED THE SORT OF CERTAIN AMOUNT.
AND LINCOLN LOVED THE SORT OF
DIALECT HUMORISTS LIKE THIS AND LINCOLN LOVED THE SORT OF
DIALECT HUMORISTS LIKE THIS
GUY ORPHEUS OR WARD, THEY DIALECT HUMORISTS LIKE THIS
GUY ORPHEUS OR WARD, THEY
WERE SORT OF SUB MARK TWAIN GUY ORPHEUS OR WARD, THEY
WERE SORT OF SUB MARK TWAIN
BUT VERY, VERY FUNNY AND THEY WERE SORT OF SUB MARK TWAIN
BUT VERY, VERY FUNNY AND THEY
PUBLISHED — THEY PUBLISHED BUT VERY, VERY FUNNY AND THEY
PUBLISHED — THEY PUBLISHED
IN NEWSPAPERS AND THEY PUBLISHED — THEY PUBLISHED
IN NEWSPAPERS AND THEY
SPECIALIZED IN SORT OF IN NEWSPAPERS AND THEY
SPECIALIZED IN SORT OF
CAPTURING REGIONAL DIALECT, SPECIALIZED IN SORT OF
CAPTURING REGIONAL DIALECT,
AND ONE THAT YOU READ OVER — CAPTURING REGIONAL DIALECT,
AND ONE THAT YOU READ OVER —
ONE THING YOU READ OVER AND AND ONE THAT YOU READ OVER —
ONE THING YOU READ OVER AND
OVER AGAIN ABOUT LINCOLN IS ONE THING YOU READ OVER AND
OVER AGAIN ABOUT LINCOLN IS
THAT HE WAS BORN IN KENTUCKY OVER AGAIN ABOUT LINCOLN IS
THAT HE WAS BORN IN KENTUCKY
AND SPENT PART OF HIS THAT HE WAS BORN IN KENTUCKY
AND SPENT PART OF HIS
CHILDHOOD IN INDIANA, THEN AND SPENT PART OF HIS
CHILDHOOD IN INDIANA, THEN
LIVED IN ILLINOIS. CHILDHOOD IN INDIANA, THEN
LIVED IN ILLINOIS.
BUT HE HAD AN INCREDIBLE EAR LIVED IN ILLINOIS.
BUT HE HAD AN INCREDIBLE EAR
APPARENTLY FOR DIALECT AND BUT HE HAD AN INCREDIBLE EAR
APPARENTLY FOR DIALECT AND
WOULD CHANGE HIS ACCENT IF HE APPARENTLY FOR DIALECT AND
WOULD CHANGE HIS ACCENT IF HE
WANTED TO SOUND LIKE A HICK WOULD CHANGE HIS ACCENT IF HE
WANTED TO SOUND LIKE A HICK
OR A SOUTHERNER, HE COULD WANTED TO SOUND LIKE A HICK
OR A SOUTHERNER, HE COULD
SOUND LIKE A SOUTHERNER, IF OR A SOUTHERNER, HE COULD
SOUND LIKE A SOUTHERNER, IF
HE WANTED TO SOUND LESS LIKE SOUND LIKE A SOUTHERNER, IF
HE WANTED TO SOUND LESS LIKE
A SOUTHERNER, I’M NOT — HE WANTED TO SOUND LESS LIKE
A SOUTHERNER, I’M NOT —
>>[LAUGHTER] A SOUTHERNER, I’M NOT —
>>[LAUGHTER]
>>MY GOD! >>[LAUGHTER]
>>MY GOD!
>> OH, NO. >>MY GOD!
>> OH, NO.
>>AND WITH YOU — AND YOU >> OH, NO.
>>AND WITH YOU — AND YOU
WERE DOING SO WELL! >>AND WITH YOU — AND YOU
WERE DOING SO WELL!
>> [LAUGHTER] WERE DOING SO WELL!
>> [LAUGHTER]
>>IT WAS A BIG DEAL THAT THE >> [LAUGHTER]
>>IT WAS A BIG DEAL THAT THE
PRESIDENT AND FIRST LADY HAD >>IT WAS A BIG DEAL THAT THE
PRESIDENT AND FIRST LADY HAD
KENTUCKY ACCENTS, THEY WERE PRESIDENT AND FIRST LADY HAD
KENTUCKY ACCENTS, THEY WERE
THE PRESIDENT AND FIRST LADY KENTUCKY ACCENTS, THEY WERE
THE PRESIDENT AND FIRST LADY
OF THE UNION AND THEY SOUNDED THE PRESIDENT AND FIRST LADY
OF THE UNION AND THEY SOUNDED
SOUTHERN. OF THE UNION AND THEY SOUNDED
SOUTHERN.
THEY WERE SOUTHERNERS. SOUTHERN.
THEY WERE SOUTHERNERS.
AND THERE WERE A LOT OF THEY WERE SOUTHERNERS.
AND THERE WERE A LOT OF
PEOPLE IN THE NORTH WHO FOUND AND THERE WERE A LOT OF
PEOPLE IN THE NORTH WHO FOUND
THAT VERY UNCOMFORTABLE. PEOPLE IN THE NORTH WHO FOUND
THAT VERY UNCOMFORTABLE.
BUT HE COULD ALSO SHIFT HIS THAT VERY UNCOMFORTABLE.
BUT HE COULD ALSO SHIFT HIS
ACCENT MORE NORTHERLY WHEN HE BUT HE COULD ALSO SHIFT HIS
ACCENT MORE NORTHERLY WHEN HE
WANTED TO SOUND LIKE THAT, ACCENT MORE NORTHERLY WHEN HE
WANTED TO SOUND LIKE THAT,
AND NOW THE STORY GOES INTO WANTED TO SOUND LIKE THAT,
AND NOW THE STORY GOES INTO
AN ENGLISH ACCENT. AND NOW THE STORY GOES INTO
AN ENGLISH ACCENT.
>>YES, AND BECAUSE DANIEL IS AN ENGLISH ACCENT.
>>YES, AND BECAUSE DANIEL IS
SO SCARILY GREAT, HE GOES >>YES, AND BECAUSE DANIEL IS
SO SCARILY GREAT, HE GOES
INTO A SORT OF NOT — I MEAN, SO SCARILY GREAT, HE GOES
INTO A SORT OF NOT — I MEAN,
HE’S BRITISH, BUT HE DOES AN INTO A SORT OF NOT — I MEAN,
HE’S BRITISH, BUT HE DOES AN
ENGLISH ACCENT THROUGH A HE’S BRITISH, BUT HE DOES AN
ENGLISH ACCENT THROUGH A
SOUTHERN — AN AMERICAN DOING ENGLISH ACCENT THROUGH A
SOUTHERN — AN AMERICAN DOING
IT, A NOT ENTIRELY GREAT SOUTHERN — AN AMERICAN DOING
IT, A NOT ENTIRELY GREAT
ENGLISH ACCENT. IT, A NOT ENTIRELY GREAT
ENGLISH ACCENT.
IT’S REALLY TERRIFYING. ENGLISH ACCENT.
IT’S REALLY TERRIFYING.
>>DANIEL DEI, FROM — DAY, IT’S REALLY TERRIFYING.
>>DANIEL DEI, FROM — DAY,
FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND, >>DANIEL DEI, FROM — DAY,
FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND,
ASSUMED THE CHARACTER AND FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND,
ASSUMED THE CHARACTER AND
STAYED IN IT 24/7. ASSUMED THE CHARACTER AND
STAYED IN IT 24/7.
>>YES. STAYED IN IT 24/7.
>>YES.
>>HOW DO YOU APPROACH HIM >>YES.
>>HOW DO YOU APPROACH HIM
WHEN IT’S QUITTING TIME, DO >>HOW DO YOU APPROACH HIM
WHEN IT’S QUITTING TIME, DO
YOU GO UP TO MR. LINCOLN, AND WHEN IT’S QUITTING TIME, DO
YOU GO UP TO MR. LINCOLN, AND
HOW DO YOU APPROACH IT? YOU GO UP TO MR. LINCOLN, AND
HOW DO YOU APPROACH IT?
>>HERE’S THE GOOD NEWS. HOW DO YOU APPROACH IT?
>>HERE’S THE GOOD NEWS.
THE GOOD NEWS WAS ON OUR SET, >>HERE’S THE GOOD NEWS.
THE GOOD NEWS WAS ON OUR SET,
HE WASN’T KILL THE BUTCHER, THE GOOD NEWS WAS ON OUR SET,
HE WASN’T KILL THE BUTCHER,
SO UNLIKE MARTY SCORCESE WHO HE WASN’T KILL THE BUTCHER,
SO UNLIKE MARTY SCORCESE WHO
HAD TO WALK ON EGG, I COULD SO UNLIKE MARTY SCORCESE WHO
HAD TO WALK ON EGG, I COULD
WALK UP TO THE 15TH PRESIDENT HAD TO WALK ON EGG, I COULD
WALK UP TO THE 15TH PRESIDENT
AND HAVE A COMPLETE WALK UP TO THE 15TH PRESIDENT
AND HAVE A COMPLETE
CONVERSATION WITH HIM AND AND HAVE A COMPLETE
CONVERSATION WITH HIM AND
FEEL SAFE AND TRUSTING AND IT CONVERSATION WITH HIM AND
FEEL SAFE AND TRUSTING AND IT
WAS WONDERFUL. FEEL SAFE AND TRUSTING AND IT
WAS WONDERFUL.
THE WORST MOMENT OF THE WHOLE WAS WONDERFUL.
THE WORST MOMENT OF THE WHOLE
MOVIE WAS AT THE VERY END, ON THE WORST MOMENT OF THE WHOLE
MOVIE WAS AT THE VERY END, ON
HIS DEATH BED, IN THE MOVIE WAS AT THE VERY END, ON
HIS DEATH BED, IN THE
PETERSON HOUSE, WE WERE ALL HIS DEATH BED, IN THE
PETERSON HOUSE, WE WERE ALL
DONE AND DANIEL WENT INTO HIS PETERSON HOUSE, WE WERE ALL
DONE AND DANIEL WENT INTO HIS
TRAILER TO THANK HIM FOR THIS DONE AND DANIEL WENT INTO HIS
TRAILER TO THANK HIM FOR THIS
UNCANNY CHARACTER, AND HE TRAILER TO THANK HIM FOR THIS
UNCANNY CHARACTER, AND HE
HUGGED ME, AND HE SPOKE TO ME UNCANNY CHARACTER, AND HE
HUGGED ME, AND HE SPOKE TO ME
IN HIS ENGLISH ACCENT, FIRST HUGGED ME, AND HE SPOKE TO ME
IN HIS ENGLISH ACCENT, FIRST
TIME I HAD HEARD IT IN FOUR IN HIS ENGLISH ACCENT, FIRST
TIME I HAD HEARD IT IN FOUR
MONTHS. TIME I HAD HEARD IT IN FOUR
MONTHS.
IT WAS MY UNDOING. MONTHS.
IT WAS MY UNDOING.
HE WAS OUT OF CHARACTER AS IT WAS MY UNDOING.
HE WAS OUT OF CHARACTER AS
QUICKLY AS HE FELL INTO HE WAS OUT OF CHARACTER AS
QUICKLY AS HE FELL INTO
CHARACTER. QUICKLY AS HE FELL INTO
CHARACTER.
BUT I HAD ONLY KNOWN ABRAHAM CHARACTER.
BUT I HAD ONLY KNOWN ABRAHAM
LINCOLN FOR THOSE FOUR MONTHS BUT I HAD ONLY KNOWN ABRAHAM
LINCOLN FOR THOSE FOUR MONTHS
OF SHOOTING. LINCOLN FOR THOSE FOUR MONTHS
OF SHOOTING.
>>AND THE INCREDIBLE THING, OF SHOOTING.
>>AND THE INCREDIBLE THING,
AS I UNDERSTAND IT, FOR THE >>AND THE INCREDIBLE THING,
AS I UNDERSTAND IT, FOR THE
OTHER ACTORS IN THE MOVIE, AS I UNDERSTAND IT, FOR THE
OTHER ACTORS IN THE MOVIE,
WERE THAT THEY TREATED HIM AS OTHER ACTORS IN THE MOVIE,
WERE THAT THEY TREATED HIM AS
IF HE WAS MR. LINCOLN. WERE THAT THEY TREATED HIM AS
IF HE WAS MR. LINCOLN.
HE WOULD COME SHUFFLING BY IF HE WAS MR. LINCOLN.
HE WOULD COME SHUFFLING BY
AND THEY’D THINK MY GOD, HE WOULD COME SHUFFLING BY
AND THEY’D THINK MY GOD,
MR. LINCOLN IS COMING. AND THEY’D THINK MY GOD,
MR. LINCOLN IS COMING.
THE FUNNY STORY THAT STANTON MR. LINCOLN IS COMING.
THE FUNNY STORY THAT STANTON
TOLD ME WAS THAT HE KNEW THE FUNNY STORY THAT STANTON
TOLD ME WAS THAT HE KNEW
ALREADY THAT HE WAS SUPPOSED TOLD ME WAS THAT HE KNEW
ALREADY THAT HE WAS SUPPOSED
TO BE MR. PRESIDENT AND HE ALREADY THAT HE WAS SUPPOSED
TO BE MR. PRESIDENT AND HE
WAS GOING TO BE MEETING HIM TO BE MR. PRESIDENT AND HE
WAS GOING TO BE MEETING HIM
FOR THE FIRST TIME, AND THEY WAS GOING TO BE MEETING HIM
FOR THE FIRST TIME, AND THEY
ALL HAVE SUCH AWE FOR HIM AS FOR THE FIRST TIME, AND THEY
ALL HAVE SUCH AWE FOR HIM AS
AN ACTOR, SO HE WAS LIKE WHAT ALL HAVE SUCH AWE FOR HIM AS
AN ACTOR, SO HE WAS LIKE WHAT
AM I GOING TO SAY TO HIM, AN ACTOR, SO HE WAS LIKE WHAT
AM I GOING TO SAY TO HIM,
MR. LINCOLN, MR. PRESIDENT AM I GOING TO SAY TO HIM,
MR. LINCOLN, MR. PRESIDENT
AND HE REMEMBERED THAT MR. LINCOLN, MR. PRESIDENT
AND HE REMEMBERED THAT
STANDON HAD HAD THIS — AND HE REMEMBERED THAT
STANDON HAD HAD THIS —
STANTON HAD HAD THIS FIGHT STANDON HAD HAD THIS —
STANTON HAD HAD THIS FIGHT
WITH LYNNON IN THE ’50S, STANTON HAD HAD THIS FIGHT
WITH LYNNON IN THE ’50S,
WHERE LINCOLN HAD HUMILIATED WITH LYNNON IN THE ’50S,
WHERE LINCOLN HAD HUMILIATED
STANTON, WHICH MADE IT WHERE LINCOLN HAD HUMILIATED
STANTON, WHICH MADE IT
AMAZING THAT HE PUT HIM IN STANTON, WHICH MADE IT
AMAZING THAT HE PUT HIM IN
THE CABINET, SO HE SAID AMAZING THAT HE PUT HIM IN
THE CABINET, SO HE SAID
MR. PRESIDENT, I’M SORRY THE CABINET, SO HE SAID
MR. PRESIDENT, I’M SORRY
ABOUT THAT INCIDENT IN 1850 MR. PRESIDENT, I’M SORRY
ABOUT THAT INCIDENT IN 1850
AND AGAIN, NOT BREAKING, HE ABOUT THAT INCIDENT IN 1850
AND AGAIN, NOT BREAKING, HE
SAID IT’S ALL RIGHT. AND AGAIN, NOT BREAKING, HE
SAID IT’S ALL RIGHT.
THAT’S HOW HE SAID HELLO TO SAID IT’S ALL RIGHT.
THAT’S HOW HE SAID HELLO TO
HIM. THAT’S HOW HE SAID HELLO TO
HIM.
>>HOW WAS IT FOR YOU TO WALK HIM.
>>HOW WAS IT FOR YOU TO WALK
UP AND SEE HIM DRESSED AND IN >>HOW WAS IT FOR YOU TO WALK
UP AND SEE HIM DRESSED AND IN
THE CHARACTER OF LINCOLN FOR UP AND SEE HIM DRESSED AND IN
THE CHARACTER OF LINCOLN FOR
THE FIRST TIME? THE CHARACTER OF LINCOLN FOR
THE FIRST TIME?
>>I THINK THE — WELL, I THE FIRST TIME?
>>I THINK THE — WELL, I
DIDN’T SEE HIM ON THE SET, >>I THINK THE — WELL, I
DIDN’T SEE HIM ON THE SET,
BECAUSE WHEN I CAME TO THE DIDN’T SEE HIM ON THE SET,
BECAUSE WHEN I CAME TO THE
SET, HE WASN’T ACTING THE BECAUSE WHEN I CAME TO THE
SET, HE WASN’T ACTING THE
DAYS THAT I WAS THERE. SET, HE WASN’T ACTING THE
DAYS THAT I WAS THERE.
BUT YOU KNOW, AS I’VE SAID DAYS THAT I WAS THERE.
BUT YOU KNOW, AS I’VE SAID
BEFORE, WHEN I SAW THE WHITE BUT YOU KNOW, AS I’VE SAID
BEFORE, WHEN I SAW THE WHITE
HOUSE SET, RICK CARTER, THE BEFORE, WHEN I SAW THE WHITE
HOUSE SET, RICK CARTER, THE
PRODUCTION DESIGNER, TOOK ME HOUSE SET, RICK CARTER, THE
PRODUCTION DESIGNER, TOOK ME
THERE, AND HE SAID THIS IS PRODUCTION DESIGNER, TOOK ME
THERE, AND HE SAID THIS IS
GOING TO BE REALLY SPECIAL, THERE, AND HE SAID THIS IS
GOING TO BE REALLY SPECIAL,
AND I WALKED IN, AND THIS IS GOING TO BE REALLY SPECIAL,
AND I WALKED IN, AND THIS IS
WHERE ATTENTION TO DETAIL AND I WALKED IN, AND THIS IS
WHERE ATTENTION TO DETAIL
MUST MATTER NOT ONLY TO YOU WHERE ATTENTION TO DETAIL
MUST MATTER NOT ONLY TO YOU
AS A DIRECTOR, BUT TO THE MUST MATTER NOT ONLY TO YOU
AS A DIRECTOR, BUT TO THE
ACTORS. AS A DIRECTOR, BUT TO THE
ACTORS.
THEY KNOW, THEY FEEL LIKE ACTORS.
THEY KNOW, THEY FEEL LIKE
THEY’RE BACK IN THAT TIME. THEY KNOW, THEY FEEL LIKE
THEY’RE BACK IN THAT TIME.
YOU KNOW, THEY HAD RESEARCHED THEY’RE BACK IN THAT TIME.
YOU KNOW, THEY HAD RESEARCHED
WHAT WAS ON HIS DESK, WHAT YOU KNOW, THEY HAD RESEARCHED
WHAT WAS ON HIS DESK, WHAT
BOOKS WAS LINCOLN READING AT WHAT WAS ON HIS DESK, WHAT
BOOKS WAS LINCOLN READING AT
THE TIME, WHAT DID THE BOOKS WAS LINCOLN READING AT
THE TIME, WHAT DID THE
WALLPAPER LOOK LIKE. THE TIME, WHAT DID THE
WALLPAPER LOOK LIKE.
THEY HAD IT MADE SO THE WALLPAPER LOOK LIKE.
THEY HAD IT MADE SO THE
CARPET WOULD BE THE WAY IT THEY HAD IT MADE SO THE
CARPET WOULD BE THE WAY IT
WAS. CARPET WOULD BE THE WAY IT
WAS.
AND I REMEMBER READING ABOUT WAS.
AND I REMEMBER READING ABOUT
A DIRECTOR IN THE ’20S, ERIC AND I REMEMBER READING ABOUT
A DIRECTOR IN THE ’20S, ERIC
STROHEIM, AND HE HAD DIRECTED A DIRECTOR IN THE ’20S, ERIC
STROHEIM, AND HE HAD DIRECTED
FILMS WHERE THEY WERE WEALTHY STROHEIM, AND HE HAD DIRECTED
FILMS WHERE THEY WERE WEALTHY
LADIES AND THE OUTER COSTUME FILMS WHERE THEY WERE WEALTHY
LADIES AND THE OUTER COSTUME
WAS ALL YOU WOULD SEE BUT HE LADIES AND THE OUTER COSTUME
WAS ALL YOU WOULD SEE BUT HE
WOULD MAKE THEM WEAR SILK WAS ALL YOU WOULD SEE BUT HE
WOULD MAKE THEM WEAR SILK
UNDERWEAR, EVEN THOUGH YOU’D WOULD MAKE THEM WEAR SILK
UNDERWEAR, EVEN THOUGH YOU’D
NEVER SEE IT, SO THEY WOULD UNDERWEAR, EVEN THOUGH YOU’D
NEVER SEE IT, SO THEY WOULD
FEEL WEALTHY. NEVER SEE IT, SO THEY WOULD
FEEL WEALTHY.
>>I THINK IT WAS MORE TO FEEL WEALTHY.
>>I THINK IT WAS MORE TO
MAKE ERIC FEEL SOMETHING! >>I THINK IT WAS MORE TO
MAKE ERIC FEEL SOMETHING!
>> [LAUGHTER] MAKE ERIC FEEL SOMETHING!
>> [LAUGHTER]
>>NOW I’M GOING TO GO! >> [LAUGHTER]
>>NOW I’M GOING TO GO!
>> OKAY! >>NOW I’M GOING TO GO!
>> OKAY!
>> SPEAKING OF THIS, I >> OKAY!
>> SPEAKING OF THIS, I
UNDERSTAND THAW ACTUALLY FOR >> SPEAKING OF THIS, I
UNDERSTAND THAW ACTUALLY FOR
THE FIRST TIME WORE A SUIT UNDERSTAND THAW ACTUALLY FOR
THE FIRST TIME WORE A SUIT
AND A TIE THROUGHOUT THE THE FIRST TIME WORE A SUIT
AND A TIE THROUGHOUT THE
ENTIRE SHOOT. AND A TIE THROUGHOUT THE
ENTIRE SHOOT.
>>I DID. ENTIRE SHOOT.
>>I DID.
BECAUSE THE THING THAT WAS, >>I DID.
BECAUSE THE THING THAT WAS,
IT’S INTERESTING, I GOT SO BECAUSE THE THING THAT WAS,
IT’S INTERESTING, I GOT SO
INTO THIS EXPERIENCE, AND I IT’S INTERESTING, I GOT SO
INTO THIS EXPERIENCE, AND I
CALLED EVERYBODY, BY THE WAY INTO THIS EXPERIENCE, AND I
CALLED EVERYBODY, BY THE WAY
— I DIDN’T CALL DANIEL CALLED EVERYBODY, BY THE WAY
— I DIDN’T CALL DANIEL
MR. LINCOLN OR MR. PRESIDENT — I DIDN’T CALL DANIEL
MR. LINCOLN OR MR. PRESIDENT
AND TURN AROUND AND CALL MR. LINCOLN OR MR. PRESIDENT
AND TURN AROUND AND CALL
STANTON BRUCE. AND TURN AROUND AND CALL
STANTON BRUCE.
I CALLED EVERYBODY BY THE STANTON BRUCE.
I CALLED EVERYBODY BY THE
CHARACTER NAMES. I CALLED EVERYBODY BY THE
CHARACTER NAMES.
I NEVER ONCE CALLED DAVID, CHARACTER NAMES.
I NEVER ONCE CALLED DAVID,
DAVID, I CALLED HIM I NEVER ONCE CALLED DAVID,
DAVID, I CALLED HIM
MR. SECRETARY, TOMMY LEE DAVID, I CALLED HIM
MR. SECRETARY, TOMMY LEE
JONES, — SALLY FIELD AND I MR. SECRETARY, TOMMY LEE
JONES, — SALLY FIELD AND I
HAVE BEEN KNOWING EACH OTHER JONES, — SALLY FIELD AND I
HAVE BEEN KNOWING EACH OTHER
40 YEARS, SHE WENT TO MY HAVE BEEN KNOWING EACH OTHER
40 YEARS, SHE WENT TO MY
WEDDING, AND FIRST TIME I WAS 40 YEARS, SHE WENT TO MY
WEDDING, AND FIRST TIME I WAS
WORKING THERE AND I KNOW HER WEDDING, AND FIRST TIME I WAS
WORKING THERE AND I KNOW HER
AS SAL AND I CALLED HER MARY WORKING THERE AND I KNOW HER
AS SAL AND I CALLED HER MARY
TODD. AS SAL AND I CALLED HER MARY
TODD.
THAT WAS THE HARDEST THING TODD.
THAT WAS THE HARDEST THING
FOR ME, WAS TO NOT CALL HER THAT WAS THE HARDEST THING
FOR ME, WAS TO NOT CALL HER
SALLY OR SAL BUT I TAKE THE FOR ME, WAS TO NOT CALL HER
SALLY OR SAL BUT I TAKE THE
AMBIENCE, WHAT YOU SAID ABOUT SALLY OR SAL BUT I TAKE THE
AMBIENCE, WHAT YOU SAID ABOUT
RICK CARTER, THE SETS, THE AMBIENCE, WHAT YOU SAID ABOUT
RICK CARTER, THE SETS, THE
ACTORS KNOWING THAT WAS THE RICK CARTER, THE SETS, THE
ACTORS KNOWING THAT WAS THE
COLOR OF THE WALLPAPER, THOSE ACTORS KNOWING THAT WAS THE
COLOR OF THE WALLPAPER, THOSE
WERE THE COLOR OF THE FLOORS, COLOR OF THE WALLPAPER, THOSE
WERE THE COLOR OF THE FLOORS,
THAT’S WHAT THE FROCKING WERE THE COLOR OF THE FLOORS,
THAT’S WHAT THE FROCKING
LOOKED LIKE, ALL OF THESE THAT’S WHAT THE FROCKING
LOOKED LIKE, ALL OF THESE
THINGS ADD TO A FEELING THAT LOOKED LIKE, ALL OF THESE
THINGS ADD TO A FEELING THAT
YOU’RE DOING SOMETHING NOT THINGS ADD TO A FEELING THAT
YOU’RE DOING SOMETHING NOT
PRETENTIOUS BUT DOING YOU’RE DOING SOMETHING NOT
PRETENTIOUS BUT DOING
SOMETHING LASTING, YOU’RE PRETENTIOUS BUT DOING
SOMETHING LASTING, YOU’RE
DOING SOMETHING THAT IS GOING SOMETHING LASTING, YOU’RE
DOING SOMETHING THAT IS GOING
TO PERHAPS STAND THE TEST OF DOING SOMETHING THAT IS GOING
TO PERHAPS STAND THE TEST OF
TIME. TO PERHAPS STAND THE TEST OF
TIME.
LINCOLN CERTAINLY HAS, AND WE TIME.
LINCOLN CERTAINLY HAS, AND WE
DID NOT WANT OUR MOVIE TO BE LINCOLN CERTAINLY HAS, AND WE
DID NOT WANT OUR MOVIE TO BE
ANYTHING LESS THAN A TRIBUTE DID NOT WANT OUR MOVIE TO BE
ANYTHING LESS THAN A TRIBUTE
TO HIS LEGACY. ANYTHING LESS THAN A TRIBUTE
TO HIS LEGACY.
IT WAS SUCH A PRIVILEGE TO BE TO HIS LEGACY.
IT WAS SUCH A PRIVILEGE TO BE
PART OF HIS LEGACY, TO IT WAS SUCH A PRIVILEGE TO BE
PART OF HIS LEGACY, TO
HOPEFULLY ALSO BE ABLE TO PART OF HIS LEGACY, TO
HOPEFULLY ALSO BE ABLE TO
STAND AS A MONIKER FOR THAT HOPEFULLY ALSO BE ABLE TO
STAND AS A MONIKER FOR THAT
TEST OF TIME. STAND AS A MONIKER FOR THAT
TEST OF TIME.
>>WONDERFUL. TEST OF TIME.
>>WONDERFUL.
>>[APPLAUSE] >>WONDERFUL.
>>[APPLAUSE]
>>ONE OF THE MANY THINGS >>[APPLAUSE]
>>ONE OF THE MANY THINGS
THAT YOU HAVE DONE, THE THREE >>ONE OF THE MANY THINGS
THAT YOU HAVE DONE, THE THREE
OF YOU HAVE DONE SOMETHING THAT YOU HAVE DONE, THE THREE
OF YOU HAVE DONE SOMETHING
ELSE THAT BEFORE NOW WAS OF YOU HAVE DONE SOMETHING
ELSE THAT BEFORE NOW WAS
PROBABLY THOUGHT NEARLY ELSE THAT BEFORE NOW WAS
PROBABLY THOUGHT NEARLY
IMPOSSIBLE, YOU’VE PROBABLY THOUGHT NEARLY
IMPOSSIBLE, YOU’VE
RESURRECTED THE LIVES OF A IMPOSSIBLE, YOU’VE
RESURRECTED THE LIVES OF A
FEW VERY IMPORTANT HISTORICAL RESURRECTED THE LIVES OF A
FEW VERY IMPORTANT HISTORICAL
FIGURES, THADIEOUS STEVENS, FEW VERY IMPORTANT HISTORICAL
FIGURES, THADIEOUS STEVENS,
ONE OF MY HEROES, ELIZABETH FIGURES, THADIEOUS STEVENS,
ONE OF MY HEROES, ELIZABETH
KECKLEY FROM PETERSBURG, ONE OF MY HEROES, ELIZABETH
KECKLEY FROM PETERSBURG,
VIRGINIA, THOSE TWO KECKLEY FROM PETERSBURG,
VIRGINIA, THOSE TWO
CHARACTERS, TO NAME A FEW. VIRGINIA, THOSE TWO
CHARACTERS, TO NAME A FEW.
HOW IMPORTANT WAS IT FOR YOU CHARACTERS, TO NAME A FEW.
HOW IMPORTANT WAS IT FOR YOU
TO HAVE THESE SORT OF HOW IMPORTANT WAS IT FOR YOU
TO HAVE THESE SORT OF
FORGOTTEN FIGURES GIVEN TO HAVE THESE SORT OF
FORGOTTEN FIGURES GIVEN
ANOTHER CHANCE AT HISTORY? FORGOTTEN FIGURES GIVEN
ANOTHER CHANCE AT HISTORY?
>>ONE OF THE THINGS, THE ANOTHER CHANCE AT HISTORY?
>>ONE OF THE THINGS, THE
FIRST THING THAT I CARED >>ONE OF THE THINGS, THE
FIRST THING THAT I CARED
ABOUT, AND IN SOME WAYS THE FIRST THING THAT I CARED
ABOUT, AND IN SOME WAYS THE
MOST, WHEN I WAS WORKING ON ABOUT, AND IN SOME WAYS THE
MOST, WHEN I WAS WORKING ON
THE BOOK, OTHER THAN LINCOLN, MOST, WHEN I WAS WORKING ON
THE BOOK, OTHER THAN LINCOLN,
AND HE’S NOT FORGOTTEN, BUT THE BOOK, OTHER THAN LINCOLN,
AND HE’S NOT FORGOTTEN, BUT
HASN’T BEEN GIVEN AS MUCH AND HE’S NOT FORGOTTEN, BUT
HASN’T BEEN GIVEN AS MUCH
HISTORIC UNDERSTANDING AS HE HASN’T BEEN GIVEN AS MUCH
HISTORIC UNDERSTANDING AS HE
SHOULD, SO I WAS REALLY GLAD HISTORIC UNDERSTANDING AS HE
SHOULD, SO I WAS REALLY GLAD
TO SEE SEWARD AND THAT SHOULD, SO I WAS REALLY GLAD
TO SEE SEWARD AND THAT
RELATIONSHIP, EVEN THOUGH IT TO SEE SEWARD AND THAT
RELATIONSHIP, EVEN THOUGH IT
WAS, AGAIN, INTENSE AND A RELATIONSHIP, EVEN THOUGH IT
WAS, AGAIN, INTENSE AND A
SMALL PIECE OF A LONG WAS, AGAIN, INTENSE AND A
SMALL PIECE OF A LONG
RELATIONSHIP AND THE IDEA SMALL PIECE OF A LONG
RELATIONSHIP AND THE IDEA
THAT MORE PEOPLE ARE GOING TO RELATIONSHIP AND THE IDEA
THAT MORE PEOPLE ARE GOING TO
THE SEWARD HOUSE THAN BEFORE, THAT MORE PEOPLE ARE GOING TO
THE SEWARD HOUSE THAN BEFORE,
YOU FEEL LIKE YES, SOMETHING THE SEWARD HOUSE THAN BEFORE,
YOU FEEL LIKE YES, SOMETHING
IS HAPPENING. YOU FEEL LIKE YES, SOMETHING
IS HAPPENING.
THAT’S REALLY GREAT. IS HAPPENING.
THAT’S REALLY GREAT.
TONY DESERVES ALL THE CREDIT THAT’S REALLY GREAT.
TONY DESERVES ALL THE CREDIT
FOR THADDEUS STEVENS. TONY DESERVES ALL THE CREDIT
FOR THADDEUS STEVENS.
HE’S BROUGHT STEVENS BACK TO FOR THADDEUS STEVENS.
HE’S BROUGHT STEVENS BACK TO
LIFE. HE’S BROUGHT STEVENS BACK TO
LIFE.
>>HE HAS. LIFE.
>>HE HAS.
>>HE’S REALLY AN ASTONISHING >>HE HAS.
>>HE’S REALLY AN ASTONISHING
FIGURE, AND HE APPEARS I >>HE’S REALLY AN ASTONISHING
FIGURE, AND HE APPEARS I
THINK IN BIRTH OF A NATION, FIGURE, AND HE APPEARS I
THINK IN BIRTH OF A NATION,
AND IN TENNESSEE JOHNSON, AND THINK IN BIRTH OF A NATION,
AND IN TENNESSEE JOHNSON, AND
— AND IN TENNESSEE JOHNSON, AND

>>A DIFFERENT KIND OF WAY. —
>>A DIFFERENT KIND OF WAY.
>>EXACTLY. >>A DIFFERENT KIND OF WAY.
>>EXACTLY.
I MEAN, HE’S REPRESENTED BOTH >>EXACTLY.
I MEAN, HE’S REPRESENTED BOTH
AS A KIND OF MONSTER. I MEAN, HE’S REPRESENTED BOTH
AS A KIND OF MONSTER.
BUT HE REALLY WAS A MORAL AS A KIND OF MONSTER.
BUT HE REALLY WAS A MORAL
GIANT, AND A GREAT BUT HE REALLY WAS A MORAL
GIANT, AND A GREAT
POLITICIAN, AND A REAL GIANT, AND A GREAT
POLITICIAN, AND A REAL
VISIONARY. POLITICIAN, AND A REAL
VISIONARY.
AND SOMEBODY THAT I FELL VISIONARY.
AND SOMEBODY THAT I FELL
TOTALLY HEAD OVER HEELS WITH, AND SOMEBODY THAT I FELL
TOTALLY HEAD OVER HEELS WITH,
AND SOMEBODY THAT REALLY IN TOTALLY HEAD OVER HEELS WITH,
AND SOMEBODY THAT REALLY IN
MANY WAYS WAS A LOT LIKE AND SOMEBODY THAT REALLY IN
MANY WAYS WAS A LOT LIKE
LINCOLN, ALTHOUGH THERE WERE MANY WAYS WAS A LOT LIKE
LINCOLN, ALTHOUGH THERE WERE
PERSONALITY DIFFERENCES THAT LINCOLN, ALTHOUGH THERE WERE
PERSONALITY DIFFERENCES THAT
WERE — THEY EVEN LOOK A PERSONALITY DIFFERENCES THAT
WERE — THEY EVEN LOOK A
LITTLE BIT ALIKE WHEN YOU WERE — THEY EVEN LOOK A
LITTLE BIT ALIKE WHEN YOU
LOOK AT PICTURES OF STEVENS. LITTLE BIT ALIKE WHEN YOU
LOOK AT PICTURES OF STEVENS.
BUT HE DOESN’T HAVE LINCOLN’S LOOK AT PICTURES OF STEVENS.
BUT HE DOESN’T HAVE LINCOLN’S
IMMENSE — HIS VASTNESS, HIS BUT HE DOESN’T HAVE LINCOLN’S
IMMENSE — HIS VASTNESS, HIS
IMMENSE SIZE BUT HE WAS AN IMMENSE — HIS VASTNESS, HIS
IMMENSE SIZE BUT HE WAS AN
EXTRAORDINARY FIGURE. IMMENSE SIZE BUT HE WAS AN
EXTRAORDINARY FIGURE.
>>AND MY KIDS SAW THE MOVIE EXTRAORDINARY FIGURE.
>>AND MY KIDS SAW THE MOVIE
AND SAID DAD, EVERYTHING WAS >>AND MY KIDS SAW THE MOVIE
AND SAID DAD, EVERYTHING WAS
OKAY EXCEPT THAT WIG ON THAT AND SAID DAD, EVERYTHING WAS
OKAY EXCEPT THAT WIG ON THAT
ACTOR, WHY DIDN’T YOU MAKE OKAY EXCEPT THAT WIG ON THAT
ACTOR, WHY DIDN’T YOU MAKE
HIS HAIR LOOK REAL! ACTOR, WHY DIDN’T YOU MAKE
HIS HAIR LOOK REAL!
AND MY YOUNGEST DAUGHTER WAS HIS HAIR LOOK REAL!
AND MY YOUNGEST DAUGHTER WAS
COMPLAINING ABOUT THE HAIR, AND MY YOUNGEST DAUGHTER WAS
COMPLAINING ABOUT THE HAIR,
AND I SAID WELL, HE REALLY COMPLAINING ABOUT THE HAIR,
AND I SAID WELL, HE REALLY
WORE THIS HORRENDOUS REDDISH AND I SAID WELL, HE REALLY
WORE THIS HORRENDOUS REDDISH
WIG THAT OFTEN, WHEN HE PUT WORE THIS HORRENDOUS REDDISH
WIG THAT OFTEN, WHEN HE PUT
IT ON BACKWARDS BY MISTAKE, WIG THAT OFTEN, WHEN HE PUT
IT ON BACKWARDS BY MISTAKE,
PEOPLE WERE TOO INTIMIDATED IT ON BACKWARDS BY MISTAKE,
PEOPLE WERE TOO INTIMIDATED
BY HIM TO CORRECT THE WAY HE PEOPLE WERE TOO INTIMIDATED
BY HIM TO CORRECT THE WAY HE
WORE IT! BY HIM TO CORRECT THE WAY HE
WORE IT!
>> [LAUGHTER] WORE IT!
>> [LAUGHTER]
>>WHEN THE TRAILER SEARCH >> [LAUGHTER]
>>WHEN THE TRAILER SEARCH
CAME IN, IT WAS LIKE SUCH A >>WHEN THE TRAILER SEARCH
CAME IN, IT WAS LIKE SUCH A
— NOBODY SAW PICTURES OF CAME IN, IT WAS LIKE SUCH A
— NOBODY SAW PICTURES OF
DANIEL EXCEPT THIS ONE — NOBODY SAW PICTURES OF
DANIEL EXCEPT THIS ONE
PICTURE TAKEN IN A RESTAURANT DANIEL EXCEPT THIS ONE
PICTURE TAKEN IN A RESTAURANT
IN RICHMOND, WHEN HE’S IN PICTURE TAKEN IN A RESTAURANT
IN RICHMOND, WHEN HE’S IN
JEANS, AND THAT WENT IN RICHMOND, WHEN HE’S IN
JEANS, AND THAT WENT
EVERYWHERE, BUT THERE WAS JEANS, AND THAT WENT
EVERYWHERE, BUT THERE WAS
VERY LITTLE OF THE MOVIE THAT EVERYWHERE, BUT THERE WAS
VERY LITTLE OF THE MOVIE THAT
ANYBODY GOT TO SEE SO THE DAY VERY LITTLE OF THE MOVIE THAT
ANYBODY GOT TO SEE SO THE DAY
THE TRAILER CAME OUT THERE ANYBODY GOT TO SEE SO THE DAY
THE TRAILER CAME OUT THERE
WAS A GREAT DEAL OF ATTENTION THE TRAILER CAME OUT THERE
WAS A GREAT DEAL OF ATTENTION
AND THERE WAS ONE SHOT OF WAS A GREAT DEAL OF ATTENTION
AND THERE WAS ONE SHOT OF
TOMMY LEE JONES IN THE WIG, AND THERE WAS ONE SHOT OF
TOMMY LEE JONES IN THE WIG,
SO IT WAS JUST THOUSANDS OF TOMMY LEE JONES IN THE WIG,
SO IT WAS JUST THOUSANDS OF
POSTINGS SAYING OH MY GOD DID SO IT WAS JUST THOUSANDS OF
POSTINGS SAYING OH MY GOD DID
YOU SEE THAT WIG THEY PUT ON? POSTINGS SAYING OH MY GOD DID
YOU SEE THAT WIG THEY PUT ON?
WHO WAS THE COSTUME DESIGNER! YOU SEE THAT WIG THEY PUT ON?
WHO WAS THE COSTUME DESIGNER!
WHO DESIGNED THAT WIG! WHO WAS THE COSTUME DESIGNER!
WHO DESIGNED THAT WIG!
BUT HE WAS BALD, AND HE HAD WHO DESIGNED THAT WIG!
BUT HE WAS BALD, AND HE HAD
THIS STRANGE VANITY, AND HE BUT HE WAS BALD, AND HE HAD
THIS STRANGE VANITY, AND HE
WORE THIS — ALTHOUGH I THIS STRANGE VANITY, AND HE
WORE THIS — ALTHOUGH I
THINK, LIKE LINCOLN, AND LIKE WORE THIS — ALTHOUGH I
THINK, LIKE LINCOLN, AND LIKE
MOST POLITICIANS, HE HAD A THINK, LIKE LINCOLN, AND LIKE
MOST POLITICIANS, HE HAD A
REAL SENSE OF THEATER, HE HAD MOST POLITICIANS, HE HAD A
REAL SENSE OF THEATER, HE HAD
— ONE LEG WAS CONSIDERABLY REAL SENSE OF THEATER, HE HAD
— ONE LEG WAS CONSIDERABLY
SHORTER THAN THE OTHER SO HE — ONE LEG WAS CONSIDERABLY
SHORTER THAN THE OTHER SO HE
WORE THIS VERY HEAVY BOOT, SHORTER THAN THE OTHER SO HE
WORE THIS VERY HEAVY BOOT,
AND IT WAS ALSO CORRECTIVE, WORE THIS VERY HEAVY BOOT,
AND IT WAS ALSO CORRECTIVE,
SO HE MADE THIS ANGRY KIND OF AND IT WAS ALSO CORRECTIVE,
SO HE MADE THIS ANGRY KIND OF
CLUMPING NOISE WHEN HE WALKED SO HE MADE THIS ANGRY KIND OF
CLUMPING NOISE WHEN HE WALKED
AND HE HAD THE WIG IN HIS CLUMPING NOISE WHEN HE WALKED
AND HE HAD THE WIG IN HIS
FACE, AND IT WAS CARVED OUT AND HE HAD THE WIG IN HIS
FACE, AND IT WAS CARVED OUT
OF GRANITE AND HE MUST HAVE FACE, AND IT WAS CARVED OUT
OF GRANITE AND HE MUST HAVE
BEEN A SCARY PERSON. OF GRANITE AND HE MUST HAVE
BEEN A SCARY PERSON.
>>IMPOSING TO SAY THE LEAST. BEEN A SCARY PERSON.
>>IMPOSING TO SAY THE LEAST.
>>MY FAVORITE, THADDEUS >>IMPOSING TO SAY THE LEAST.
>>MY FAVORITE, THADDEUS
STEVENS, LINCOLN GOT TYPHOID >>MY FAVORITE, THADDEUS
STEVENS, LINCOLN GOT TYPHOID
FEVER AT GETTYSBURG, CAUGHT STEVENS, LINCOLN GOT TYPHOID
FEVER AT GETTYSBURG, CAUGHT
IT FROM HIS SON, PAT, WHO WAS FEVER AT GETTYSBURG, CAUGHT
IT FROM HIS SON, PAT, WHO WAS
ALREADY SICK WITH IT, THEN IT FROM HIS SON, PAT, WHO WAS
ALREADY SICK WITH IT, THEN
CAME BACK, BUT HE GOT A MILD ALREADY SICK WITH IT, THEN
CAME BACK, BUT HE GOT A MILD
CASE OF IT. CAME BACK, BUT HE GOT A MILD
CASE OF IT.
THEY HAD TO SHAVE OFF HIS CASE OF IT.
THEY HAD TO SHAVE OFF HIS
BEARD. THEY HAD TO SHAVE OFF HIS
BEARD.
THAT WAS THE ONLY TIME WHEN BEARD.
THAT WAS THE ONLY TIME WHEN
HE WAS PRESIDENT THAT HE THAT WAS THE ONLY TIME WHEN
HE WAS PRESIDENT THAT HE
DIDN’T HAVE A BEARD, IT WAS HE WAS PRESIDENT THAT HE
DIDN’T HAVE A BEARD, IT WAS
IN NOVEMBER-DECEMBER OF 1863, DIDN’T HAVE A BEARD, IT WAS
IN NOVEMBER-DECEMBER OF 1863,
AND HE HAD A MILD CASE OF IN NOVEMBER-DECEMBER OF 1863,
AND HE HAD A MILD CASE OF
TYPHOID FEVER CALLED AND HE HAD A MILD CASE OF
TYPHOID FEVER CALLED
VARIALOID AND ONE OF THE TYPHOID FEVER CALLED
VARIALOID AND ONE OF THE
REPRESENTATIVES WENT UP TO VARIALOID AND ONE OF THE
REPRESENTATIVES WENT UP TO
THADDEUS STEVENS AND SAID DID REPRESENTATIVES WENT UP TO
THADDEUS STEVENS AND SAID DID
YOU HEAR LINCOLN IS REALLY THADDEUS STEVENS AND SAID DID
YOU HEAR LINCOLN IS REALLY
SICK AND HE SAID WHAT’S WRONG YOU HEAR LINCOLN IS REALLY
SICK AND HE SAID WHAT’S WRONG
WITH HIM AND HE HAS VARIALOID SICK AND HE SAID WHAT’S WRONG
WITH HIM AND HE HAS VARIALOID
AND STEVENS SAID WHAT THE WITH HIM AND HE HAS VARIALOID
AND STEVENS SAID WHAT THE
HELL IS THAT AND THEY SAID A AND STEVENS SAID WHAT THE
HELL IS THAT AND THEY SAID A
MODERATE FORM OF TYPHUS, AND HELL IS THAT AND THEY SAID A
MODERATE FORM OF TYPHUS, AND
STEVENS SAID JESUS CHRIST, MODERATE FORM OF TYPHUS, AND
STEVENS SAID JESUS CHRIST,
CAN’T HE COMMIT TO ANYTHING? STEVENS SAID JESUS CHRIST,
CAN’T HE COMMIT TO ANYTHING?
>>[LAUGHTER] CAN’T HE COMMIT TO ANYTHING?
>>[LAUGHTER]
>>ONE OF THE LATE SURPRISES >>[LAUGHTER]
>>ONE OF THE LATE SURPRISES
IN THE FILM FOR ME IS THE >>ONE OF THE LATE SURPRISES
IN THE FILM FOR ME IS THE
CHARACTER OF WILLIAM BILBOW, IN THE FILM FOR ME IS THE
CHARACTER OF WILLIAM BILBOW,
PLAYED SO WELL BY JAMES CHARACTER OF WILLIAM BILBOW,
PLAYED SO WELL BY JAMES
SPADER AND HE’S NOT IN THE PLAYED SO WELL BY JAMES
SPADER AND HE’S NOT IN THE
BOOK. SPADER AND HE’S NOT IN THE
BOOK.
IS THAT CORRECT, WAS THAT BOOK.
IS THAT CORRECT, WAS THAT
CHARACTER IN THE BOOK? IS THAT CORRECT, WAS THAT
CHARACTER IN THE BOOK?
>>I’D SAY SO, SO THE FACT CHARACTER IN THE BOOK?
>>I’D SAY SO, SO THE FACT
THAT SEWARD GOT SOME GUYS >>I’D SAY SO, SO THE FACT
THAT SEWARD GOT SOME GUYS
FROM ALBANY AND HE GOT HIS THAT SEWARD GOT SOME GUYS
FROM ALBANY AND HE GOT HIS
MANAGER TO FIND THEM AND PAID FROM ALBANY AND HE GOT HIS
MANAGER TO FIND THEM AND PAID
MONEY TO GET THEM, THAT WAS MANAGER TO FIND THEM AND PAID
MONEY TO GET THEM, THAT WAS
ABSOLUTELY TRUE. MONEY TO GET THEM, THAT WAS
ABSOLUTELY TRUE.
>>YEAH, BUT — ABSOLUTELY TRUE.
>>YEAH, BUT —
>>YOU’VE RESEARCHED AND >>YEAH, BUT —
>>YOU’VE RESEARCHED AND
DISCOVERED THAT — >>YOU’VE RESEARCHED AND
DISCOVERED THAT —
>>HE WAS SO INTERESTING IN DISCOVERED THAT —
>>HE WAS SO INTERESTING IN
THE MOVIE. >>HE WAS SO INTERESTING IN
THE MOVIE.
>>HE’S AN AMAZING CHARACTER. THE MOVIE.
>>HE’S AN AMAZING CHARACTER.
HE WAS ACTUALLY ARRESTED I >>HE’S AN AMAZING CHARACTER.
HE WAS ACTUALLY ARRESTED I
THINK A YEAR BEFORE UNDER HE WAS ACTUALLY ARRESTED I
THINK A YEAR BEFORE UNDER
SUSPICION OF BEING A SPY AND THINK A YEAR BEFORE UNDER
SUSPICION OF BEING A SPY AND
LINCOLN PARDONED HIM. SUSPICION OF BEING A SPY AND
LINCOLN PARDONED HIM.
I CAN’T REMEMBER ALL THE LINCOLN PARDONED HIM.
I CAN’T REMEMBER ALL THE
DETAILS, BUT LINCOLN PARDONED I CAN’T REMEMBER ALL THE
DETAILS, BUT LINCOLN PARDONED
HIM, SO THEY HAD NEVER MET, DETAILS, BUT LINCOLN PARDONED
HIM, SO THEY HAD NEVER MET,
BUT THEY HAD AN QUAINTANS. HIM, SO THEY HAD NEVER MET,
BUT THEY HAD AN QUAINTANS.
— AN ACQUAINTANCE. BUT THEY HAD AN QUAINTANS.
— AN ACQUAINTANCE.
HE BECAME I THINK A — AN ACQUAINTANCE.
HE BECAME I THINK A
REPRESENTATIVE AFTER THE WAR. HE BECAME I THINK A
REPRESENTATIVE AFTER THE WAR.
AND HE WAS AN EDUCATED MAN REPRESENTATIVE AFTER THE WAR.
AND HE WAS AN EDUCATED MAN
AND HE’S IN THE CONGRESSIONAL AND HE WAS AN EDUCATED MAN
AND HE’S IN THE CONGRESSIONAL
RECORD SORT OF TALKING ABOUT AND HE’S IN THE CONGRESSIONAL
RECORD SORT OF TALKING ABOUT
HIS ROLE DOING THIS SLIGHTLY RECORD SORT OF TALKING ABOUT
HIS ROLE DOING THIS SLIGHTLY
QUASI LEGAL STUFF TO GET THE HIS ROLE DOING THIS SLIGHTLY
QUASI LEGAL STUFF TO GET THE
13TH AMENDMENT PASSED. QUASI LEGAL STUFF TO GET THE
13TH AMENDMENT PASSED.
AND HE WAS THE ONLY 13TH AMENDMENT PASSED.
AND HE WAS THE ONLY
SOUTHERNER OF THE GROUP. AND HE WAS THE ONLY
SOUTHERNER OF THE GROUP.
MOST OF THE — SEWARD’S SOUTHERNER OF THE GROUP.
MOST OF THE — SEWARD’S
MANAGER GOT PEOPLE LIKE MOST OF THE — SEWARD’S
MANAGER GOT PEOPLE LIKE
SHALLET — WE KNOW OF FIVE OR MANAGER GOT PEOPLE LIKE
SHALLET — WE KNOW OF FIVE OR
SIX. SHALLET — WE KNOW OF FIVE OR
SIX.
>>HE DID PICK THREE BUT SIX.
>>HE DID PICK THREE BUT
THERE WERE MORE THAN THREE IN >>HE DID PICK THREE BUT
THERE WERE MORE THAN THREE IN
HISTORY. THERE WERE MORE THAN THREE IN
HISTORY.
>>THOSE ARE THE THREE GUYS HISTORY.
>>THOSE ARE THE THREE GUYS
THAT WE HAVE ARE THE THREE >>THOSE ARE THE THREE GUYS
THAT WE HAVE ARE THE THREE
MOST SIGNIFICANT ONES. THAT WE HAVE ARE THE THREE
MOST SIGNIFICANT ONES.
>>THE AMAZING THING ABOUT MOST SIGNIFICANT ONES.
>>THE AMAZING THING ABOUT
THE TIMING OF THE FILM WAS >>THE AMAZING THING ABOUT
THE TIMING OF THE FILM WAS
THAT GIVEN HOW LONG IT TOOK THE TIMING OF THE FILM WAS
THAT GIVEN HOW LONG IT TOOK
IT WASN’T AN ACTUAL CHOICE THAT GIVEN HOW LONG IT TOOK
IT WASN’T AN ACTUAL CHOICE
THAT IT SHOULD COME OUT AT A IT WASN’T AN ACTUAL CHOICE
THAT IT SHOULD COME OUT AT A
TIME WHEN THE CONGRESS CANNOT THAT IT SHOULD COME OUT AT A
TIME WHEN THE CONGRESS CANNOT
DO ANYTHING AND IT ACTUALLY TIME WHEN THE CONGRESS CANNOT
DO ANYTHING AND IT ACTUALLY
DEPICTED SOMETHING GETTING DO ANYTHING AND IT ACTUALLY
DEPICTED SOMETHING GETTING
DONE BY WHATEVER MEANS WERE DEPICTED SOMETHING GETTING
DONE BY WHATEVER MEANS WERE
NECESSARY. DONE BY WHATEVER MEANS WERE
NECESSARY.
THE COMBINATION OF CONVICTION NECESSARY.
THE COMBINATION OF CONVICTION
AND COMPROMISE. THE COMBINATION OF CONVICTION
AND COMPROMISE.
AND THAT’S WHAT BOTH LINCOLN AND COMPROMISE.
AND THAT’S WHAT BOTH LINCOLN
AND THE CONGRESS WAS ABLE TO AND THAT’S WHAT BOTH LINCOLN
AND THE CONGRESS WAS ABLE TO
COME TOGETHER AT, AND IT WAS AND THE CONGRESS WAS ABLE TO
COME TOGETHER AT, AND IT WAS
FORTUITOUS THAT IT CAME OUT COME TOGETHER AT, AND IT WAS
FORTUITOUS THAT IT CAME OUT
AT THE TIME WE HAD A LAME FORTUITOUS THAT IT CAME OUT
AT THE TIME WE HAD A LAME
DUCK SESSION AND WE WERE AT THE TIME WE HAD A LAME
DUCK SESSION AND WE WERE
HOPING MAYBE THEY WOULD TAKE DUCK SESSION AND WE WERE
HOPING MAYBE THEY WOULD TAKE
NOTICE OF THIS AND THEY HOPING MAYBE THEY WOULD TAKE
NOTICE OF THIS AND THEY
ACTUALLY DID COME AND WATCH NOTICE OF THIS AND THEY
ACTUALLY DID COME AND WATCH
THE FILM AND MAYBE THE FISCAL ACTUALLY DID COME AND WATCH
THE FILM AND MAYBE THE FISCAL
CLIFF DIDN’T GO OVER BECAUSE THE FILM AND MAYBE THE FISCAL
CLIFF DIDN’T GO OVER BECAUSE
OF IT. CLIFF DIDN’T GO OVER BECAUSE
OF IT.
>>80 REPUBLICANS VOTED FOR A OF IT.
>>80 REPUBLICANS VOTED FOR A
TAX INCREASE, SO THERE YOU >>80 REPUBLICANS VOTED FOR A
TAX INCREASE, SO THERE YOU
GO. TAX INCREASE, SO THERE YOU
GO.
>>YOU SEE, YOU GOT THEM TO GO.
>>YOU SEE, YOU GOT THEM TO
DO IT! >>YOU SEE, YOU GOT THEM TO
DO IT!
>> MAKE THE SHIFT. DO IT!
>> MAKE THE SHIFT.
>>STEVEN, THE THEME, SO MANY >> MAKE THE SHIFT.
>>STEVEN, THE THEME, SO MANY
COMPLEX THEMES BUT THE ONE >>STEVEN, THE THEME, SO MANY
COMPLEX THEMES BUT THE ONE
ABOUT KEKCLEY WAS FOR ME AN COMPLEX THEMES BUT THE ONE
ABOUT KEKCLEY WAS FOR ME AN
IMPORTANT SCENE, AND I NEVER ABOUT KEKCLEY WAS FOR ME AN
IMPORTANT SCENE, AND I NEVER
HEARD THIS LADY REFERRED TO IMPORTANT SCENE, AND I NEVER
HEARD THIS LADY REFERRED TO
IN THE TERMS OF KING LEAH HEARD THIS LADY REFERRED TO
IN THE TERMS OF KING LEAH
BEFORE, SO THAT WAS A UNIQUE IN THE TERMS OF KING LEAH
BEFORE, SO THAT WAS A UNIQUE
EXPERIENCE TO SAY THE LEAST. BEFORE, SO THAT WAS A UNIQUE
EXPERIENCE TO SAY THE LEAST.
WHAT WAS YOUR INTENT WITH EXPERIENCE TO SAY THE LEAST.
WHAT WAS YOUR INTENT WITH
THAT SCENE? WHAT WAS YOUR INTENT WITH
THAT SCENE?
>>I THINK TONY SHOULD SPEAK THAT SCENE?
>>I THINK TONY SHOULD SPEAK
TO THAT. >>I THINK TONY SHOULD SPEAK
TO THAT.
I CAN CERTAINLY TELL YOU TO THAT.
I CAN CERTAINLY TELL YOU
INITIALLY GOING IN THAT I I CAN CERTAINLY TELL YOU
INITIALLY GOING IN THAT I
ALWAYS FELT THAT THAT SCENE INITIALLY GOING IN THAT I
ALWAYS FELT THAT THAT SCENE
HAS — SHOULD HAVE GONE IN ALWAYS FELT THAT THAT SCENE
HAS — SHOULD HAVE GONE IN
ANOTHER PLACE IN THE MOVIE. HAS — SHOULD HAVE GONE IN
ANOTHER PLACE IN THE MOVIE.
WE COULDN’T FIND ANOTHER ANOTHER PLACE IN THE MOVIE.
WE COULDN’T FIND ANOTHER
PLACE FOR THAT SCENE. WE COULDN’T FIND ANOTHER
PLACE FOR THAT SCENE.
BUT THAT SCENE WAS, AS TONY PLACE FOR THAT SCENE.
BUT THAT SCENE WAS, AS TONY
WILL SPEAK TO IN A SECOND, BUT THAT SCENE WAS, AS TONY
WILL SPEAK TO IN A SECOND,
ONE OF THE ESSENTIALS. WILL SPEAK TO IN A SECOND,
ONE OF THE ESSENTIALS.
BECAUSE IT GAVE VOICE TO A ONE OF THE ESSENTIALS.
BECAUSE IT GAVE VOICE TO A
BLACK WOMAN WHO WAS PROBABLY BECAUSE IT GAVE VOICE TO A
BLACK WOMAN WHO WAS PROBABLY
ONE OF THE FEW WITNESSES TO BLACK WOMAN WHO WAS PROBABLY
ONE OF THE FEW WITNESSES TO
BE BOTH AT THE HOUSE OF ONE OF THE FEW WITNESSES TO
BE BOTH AT THE HOUSE OF
REPRESENTATIVES AND IN THE BE BOTH AT THE HOUSE OF
REPRESENTATIVES AND IN THE
WHITE HOUSE. REPRESENTATIVES AND IN THE
WHITE HOUSE.
AND HAD TWO STUNNINGLY — WHITE HOUSE.
AND HAD TWO STUNNINGLY —
THIS WAS AN AMAZING AND HAD TWO STUNNINGLY —
THIS WAS AN AMAZING
OPPORTUNITY TO WATCH THE THIS WAS AN AMAZING
OPPORTUNITY TO WATCH THE
PROCESS OF DEMOCRACY, HIM OPPORTUNITY TO WATCH THE
PROCESS OF DEMOCRACY, HIM
DEMOCRAT — THE DEMOCRATIC PROCESS OF DEMOCRACY, HIM
DEMOCRAT — THE DEMOCRATIC
PROCESS AT WORK BUT ALSO TO DEMOCRAT — THE DEMOCRATIC
PROCESS AT WORK BUT ALSO TO
BE ABLE TO SEE WHAT THE HOME PROCESS AT WORK BUT ALSO TO
BE ABLE TO SEE WHAT THE HOME
LIFE WAS LIKE, BUT FOR HER TO BE ABLE TO SEE WHAT THE HOME
LIFE WAS LIKE, BUT FOR HER TO
HAVE EXISTED IN THE FILM JUST LIFE WAS LIKE, BUT FOR HER TO
HAVE EXISTED IN THE FILM JUST
AS MARY’S STEAM STRESS HAVE EXISTED IN THE FILM JUST
AS MARY’S STEAM STRESS
WITHOUT BEING ABLE TO SPEAK AS MARY’S STEAM STRESS
WITHOUT BEING ABLE TO SPEAK
THE TRUTH OF HER OWN HEART, WITHOUT BEING ABLE TO SPEAK
THE TRUTH OF HER OWN HEART,
THE FACT THAT SHE LOST THE THE TRUTH OF HER OWN HEART,
THE FACT THAT SHE LOST THE
SON IN THE UNION, FIGHTING A THE FACT THAT SHE LOST THE
SON IN THE UNION, FIGHTING A
FEW YEARS BEFORE THAT, WAS SON IN THE UNION, FIGHTING A
FEW YEARS BEFORE THAT, WAS
ONE OF THE ESSENTIALS THAT FEW YEARS BEFORE THAT, WAS
ONE OF THE ESSENTIALS THAT
TONY BROUGHT TO THE FILM AND ONE OF THE ESSENTIALS THAT
TONY BROUGHT TO THE FILM AND
SAID IF WE CAN’T FLASHBACK, TONY BROUGHT TO THE FILM AND
SAID IF WE CAN’T FLASHBACK,
BECAUSE IT ABE ARBITRARY AND SAID IF WE CAN’T FLASHBACK,
BECAUSE IT ABE ARBITRARY AND
ALMOST FALSE TO GO BACK TO BECAUSE IT ABE ARBITRARY AND
ALMOST FALSE TO GO BACK TO
THE TWO OF THE THREE TIMES ALMOST FALSE TO GO BACK TO
THE TWO OF THE THREE TIMES
THAT FREDERICK DOUGLAS THE TWO OF THE THREE TIMES
THAT FREDERICK DOUGLAS
ACTUALLY HAD AN AUDIENCE WITH THAT FREDERICK DOUGLAS
ACTUALLY HAD AN AUDIENCE WITH
PRESIDENT LINCOLN. ACTUALLY HAD AN AUDIENCE WITH
PRESIDENT LINCOLN.
BUT THIS WAS AN OPPORTUNITY PRESIDENT LINCOLN.
BUT THIS WAS AN OPPORTUNITY
TO LET A PERSON OF COLOR BUT THIS WAS AN OPPORTUNITY
TO LET A PERSON OF COLOR
SPEAK ABOUT WHAT SHE FELT HAD TO LET A PERSON OF COLOR
SPEAK ABOUT WHAT SHE FELT HAD
BEEN HAPPENING. SPEAK ABOUT WHAT SHE FELT HAD
BEEN HAPPENING.
AND SO THAT WAS THE SCENE BEEN HAPPENING.
AND SO THAT WAS THE SCENE
THAT TONY WROTE AND, YOU KNOW AND SO THAT WAS THE SCENE
THAT TONY WROTE AND, YOU KNOW
— THAT TONY WROTE AND, YOU KNOW

>>WAS JUST — I SAID THIS A —
>>WAS JUST — I SAID THIS A
LITTLE BIT EARLIER, THAT WE >>WAS JUST — I SAID THIS A
LITTLE BIT EARLIER, THAT WE
REALLY FELT THAT IT WOULD BE LITTLE BIT EARLIER, THAT WE
REALLY FELT THAT IT WOULD BE
DISHONEST TO CREATE SOME SORT REALLY FELT THAT IT WOULD BE
DISHONEST TO CREATE SOME SORT
OF POLITICALLY PLEASINGS BUT DISHONEST TO CREATE SOME SORT
OF POLITICALLY PLEASINGS BUT
HISTORICALLY INACCURATE OF POLITICALLY PLEASINGS BUT
HISTORICALLY INACCURATE
RELATIONSHIP THAT, AND THE HISTORICALLY INACCURATE
RELATIONSHIP THAT, AND THE
TRUTH OF LINCOLN, AS FAR AS I RELATIONSHIP THAT, AND THE
TRUTH OF LINCOLN, AS FAR AS I
CAN TELL, IS THAT HE WAS A TRUTH OF LINCOLN, AS FAR AS I
CAN TELL, IS THAT HE WAS A
GUY WHO, AS AN ADULT, HAD CAN TELL, IS THAT HE WAS A
GUY WHO, AS AN ADULT, HAD
LIVED IN ILLINOIS, WHICH HAD GUY WHO, AS AN ADULT, HAD
LIVED IN ILLINOIS, WHICH HAD
THE WORST BLACK LAWS IN THE LIVED IN ILLINOIS, WHICH HAD
THE WORST BLACK LAWS IN THE
COUNTRY AND HAD VERY, VERY THE WORST BLACK LAWS IN THE
COUNTRY AND HAD VERY, VERY
LITTLE ACQUAINTANCE. COUNTRY AND HAD VERY, VERY
LITTLE ACQUAINTANCE.
MOSTLY THE IMPRESSION YOU GET LITTLE ACQUAINTANCE.
MOSTLY THE IMPRESSION YOU GET
WHEN YOU READ ABOUT HIM MOSTLY THE IMPRESSION YOU GET
WHEN YOU READ ABOUT HIM
ENCOUNTERING BLACK PEOPLE WHEN YOU READ ABOUT HIM
ENCOUNTERING BLACK PEOPLE
DURING THE WAR IS THAT HE WAS ENCOUNTERING BLACK PEOPLE
DURING THE WAR IS THAT HE WAS
AWKWARD AND SOMETIMES HANDLED DURING THE WAR IS THAT HE WAS
AWKWARD AND SOMETIMES HANDLED
IT WELL, LIKE WITH FREDERICK AWKWARD AND SOMETIMES HANDLED
IT WELL, LIKE WITH FREDERICK
DOUGLAS, AND SOMETIMES IT WELL, LIKE WITH FREDERICK
DOUGLAS, AND SOMETIMES
HANDLED IT NOT SO WELL, AND DOUGLAS, AND SOMETIMES
HANDLED IT NOT SO WELL, AND
THAT HE REALLY DIDN’T HAVE HANDLED IT NOT SO WELL, AND
THAT HE REALLY DIDN’T HAVE
ANY CLOSE ACQUAINTANCE WITH THAT HE REALLY DIDN’T HAVE
ANY CLOSE ACQUAINTANCE WITH
ANY BLACK PEOPLE, SO THAT — ANY CLOSE ACQUAINTANCE WITH
ANY BLACK PEOPLE, SO THAT —
BUT THERE WAS THIS ONE PERSON ANY BLACK PEOPLE, SO THAT —
BUT THERE WAS THIS ONE PERSON
WHO WAS ACTUALLY AN INTIMATE BUT THERE WAS THIS ONE PERSON
WHO WAS ACTUALLY AN INTIMATE
OF THE LINCOLN FAMILY IN THE WHO WAS ACTUALLY AN INTIMATE
OF THE LINCOLN FAMILY IN THE
WHITE HOUSE AT THE TIME. OF THE LINCOLN FAMILY IN THE
WHITE HOUSE AT THE TIME.
SHE WROTE THE FIRST POLITICAL WHITE HOUSE AT THE TIME.
SHE WROTE THE FIRST POLITICAL
TELL-ALL MEMOIR AND WAS AN SHE WROTE THE FIRST POLITICAL
TELL-ALL MEMOIR AND WAS AN
EXTRAORDINARY WOMAN. TELL-ALL MEMOIR AND WAS AN
EXTRAORDINARY WOMAN.
HER LIFE STORY IS EXTRAORDINARY WOMAN.
HER LIFE STORY IS
UNBELIEVABLE. HER LIFE STORY IS
UNBELIEVABLE.
>>HER LIFE STORY SHOULD BE A UNBELIEVABLE.
>>HER LIFE STORY SHOULD BE A
MOVIE TOO. >>HER LIFE STORY SHOULD BE A
MOVIE TOO.
LET’S MAKE THAT NEXT. MOVIE TOO.
LET’S MAKE THAT NEXT.
>>GLORIA WOULD BE RIGHT LET’S MAKE THAT NEXT.
>>GLORIA WOULD BE RIGHT
THERE. >>GLORIA WOULD BE RIGHT
THERE.
AND IT SEEMED TO ME THAT THERE.
AND IT SEEMED TO ME THAT
KECKLEY WAS THE ONE PERSON AND IT SEEMED TO ME THAT
KECKLEY WAS THE ONE PERSON
WHO REALLY AT THAT MOMENT KECKLEY WAS THE ONE PERSON
WHO REALLY AT THAT MOMENT
MIGHT HAVE HAD ACCESS TO WHO REALLY AT THAT MOMENT
MIGHT HAVE HAD ACCESS TO
LINCOLN IN A WAY THAT FELT MIGHT HAVE HAD ACCESS TO
LINCOLN IN A WAY THAT FELT
HONEST AND HISTORICAL. LINCOLN IN A WAY THAT FELT
HONEST AND HISTORICAL.
I HAVE IMMENSE RESPECT FOR HONEST AND HISTORICAL.
I HAVE IMMENSE RESPECT FOR
FREDERICK DOUGLAS BUT I HAVE I HAVE IMMENSE RESPECT FOR
FREDERICK DOUGLAS BUT I HAVE
A GREAT DEAL OF SKEPTICISM FREDERICK DOUGLAS BUT I HAVE
A GREAT DEAL OF SKEPTICISM
ABOUT THE EXTENT TO WHICH THE A GREAT DEAL OF SKEPTICISM
ABOUT THE EXTENT TO WHICH THE
TWO MEETINGS THAT DOUGLAS HAD ABOUT THE EXTENT TO WHICH THE
TWO MEETINGS THAT DOUGLAS HAD
WITH LINCOLN REALLY IMPACTED TWO MEETINGS THAT DOUGLAS HAD
WITH LINCOLN REALLY IMPACTED
SIGNIFICANTLY ON LINCOLN’S WITH LINCOLN REALLY IMPACTED
SIGNIFICANTLY ON LINCOLN’S
DECISION MAKING AND DOUGLAS SIGNIFICANTLY ON LINCOLN’S
DECISION MAKING AND DOUGLAS
ADMIRED LINCOLN ENORMOUSLY DECISION MAKING AND DOUGLAS
ADMIRED LINCOLN ENORMOUSLY
AND LINCOLN CAME TO ADMIRE ADMIRED LINCOLN ENORMOUSLY
AND LINCOLN CAME TO ADMIRE
DOUGLAS, BUT AS LATE AS THE AND LINCOLN CAME TO ADMIRE
DOUGLAS, BUT AS LATE AS THE
FALL OF 1884, DOUGLAS WAS DOUGLAS, BUT AS LATE AS THE
FALL OF 1884, DOUGLAS WAS
ALSO LETTING ALL THE FALL OF 1884, DOUGLAS WAS
ALSO LETTING ALL THE
RADICALS, HOPING THEY COULD ALSO LETTING ALL THE
RADICALS, HOPING THEY COULD
FIND SOMEBODY ELSE TO TAKE RADICALS, HOPING THEY COULD
FIND SOMEBODY ELSE TO TAKE
LINCOLN’S PLACE, BECAUSE THEY FIND SOMEBODY ELSE TO TAKE
LINCOLN’S PLACE, BECAUSE THEY
DIDN’T TRUST HIM. LINCOLN’S PLACE, BECAUSE THEY
DIDN’T TRUST HIM.
>>THEY BATTLED QUITE A BIT. DIDN’T TRUST HIM.
>>THEY BATTLED QUITE A BIT.
>>EXACTLY. >>THEY BATTLED QUITE A BIT.
>>EXACTLY.
>>WELL, IT WAS ONE POINT, I >>EXACTLY.
>>WELL, IT WAS ONE POINT, I
BELIEVE, THAT DOUGLAS BEGAN >>WELL, IT WAS ONE POINT, I
BELIEVE, THAT DOUGLAS BEGAN
TO UNDERSTAND THE GRAVITY OF BELIEVE, THAT DOUGLAS BEGAN
TO UNDERSTAND THE GRAVITY OF
THE SITUATION IN TERMS OF TO UNDERSTAND THE GRAVITY OF
THE SITUATION IN TERMS OF
WHAT LINCOLN WAS DEALING THE SITUATION IN TERMS OF
WHAT LINCOLN WAS DEALING
WITH. WHAT LINCOLN WAS DEALING
WITH.
BECAUSE THERE’S SOMETHING WITH.
BECAUSE THERE’S SOMETHING
THAT I READ THAT HE SAID WHEN BECAUSE THERE’S SOMETHING
THAT I READ THAT HE SAID WHEN
QUESTIONED BY OTHER BLACKS, THAT I READ THAT HE SAID WHEN
QUESTIONED BY OTHER BLACKS,
DOUGLAS SAID LINCOLN MAY BE QUESTIONED BY OTHER BLACKS,
DOUGLAS SAID LINCOLN MAY BE
SLOW BUT HE WILL TAKE NO STEP DOUGLAS SAID LINCOLN MAY BE
SLOW BUT HE WILL TAKE NO STEP
BACKWARDS. SLOW BUT HE WILL TAKE NO STEP
BACKWARDS.
>>RIGHT, AND THAT MEANT A BACKWARDS.
>>RIGHT, AND THAT MEANT A
LOT TO LINCOLN. >>RIGHT, AND THAT MEANT A
LOT TO LINCOLN.
BECAUSE AT ONE POINT IN ONE LOT TO LINCOLN.
BECAUSE AT ONE POINT IN ONE
OF THEIR MEETINGS, LINCOLN BECAUSE AT ONE POINT IN ONE
OF THEIR MEETINGS, LINCOLN
GOT ANGRY WHEN IT SEEMED LIKE OF THEIR MEETINGS, LINCOLN
GOT ANGRY WHEN IT SEEMED LIKE
DOUGLAS WAS GOING TO SAY GOT ANGRY WHEN IT SEEMED LIKE
DOUGLAS WAS GOING TO SAY
YOU’RE GOING BACKWARD, HE DOUGLAS WAS GOING TO SAY
YOU’RE GOING BACKWARD, HE
SAID NO, ONCE I START GOING YOU’RE GOING BACKWARD, HE
SAID NO, ONCE I START GOING
FORWARD, I START GOING AND SAID NO, ONCE I START GOING
FORWARD, I START GOING AND
DOUGLAS SAID LATER ABOUT HIM, FORWARD, I START GOING AND
DOUGLAS SAID LATER ABOUT HIM,
IF YOU MEASURED HIM AGAINST A DOUGLAS SAID LATER ABOUT HIM,
IF YOU MEASURED HIM AGAINST A
RADICAL HE WILL COME UP SHORT IF YOU MEASURED HIM AGAINST A
RADICAL HE WILL COME UP SHORT
BUT IF YOU MEASURE HIM RADICAL HE WILL COME UP SHORT
BUT IF YOU MEASURE HIM
AGAINST THE PRESIDENT OF ALL BUT IF YOU MEASURE HIM
AGAINST THE PRESIDENT OF ALL
THE PEOPLE, THEN HE IS AGAINST THE PRESIDENT OF ALL
THE PEOPLE, THEN HE IS
FORWARD AND RADICAL, ET THE PEOPLE, THEN HE IS
FORWARD AND RADICAL, ET
CETERA, AND THAT WAS AN FORWARD AND RADICAL, ET
CETERA, AND THAT WAS AN
UNDERSTANDING THAT IS SO CETERA, AND THAT WAS AN
UNDERSTANDING THAT IS SO
IMPORTANT, BECAUSE WHEN WE UNDERSTANDING THAT IS SO
IMPORTANT, BECAUSE WHEN WE
LOOK BACK SOMETIMES ON IMPORTANT, BECAUSE WHEN WE
LOOK BACK SOMETIMES ON
LINCOLN AND IT’S SO HURTFUL, LOOK BACK SOMETIMES ON
LINCOLN AND IT’S SO HURTFUL,
SOME OF THE THINGS HE MIGHT LINCOLN AND IT’S SO HURTFUL,
SOME OF THE THINGS HE MIGHT
HAVE SAID IN THE 1850S, THAT SOME OF THE THINGS HE MIGHT
HAVE SAID IN THE 1850S, THAT
BLACKS DIDN’T DESERVE THE HAVE SAID IN THE 1850S, THAT
BLACKS DIDN’T DESERVE THE
RIGHT TO VOTE, THAT THEY BLACKS DIDN’T DESERVE THE
RIGHT TO VOTE, THAT THEY
COULDN’T INTER MARRY, YOU RIGHT TO VOTE, THAT THEY
COULDN’T INTER MARRY, YOU
BEGIN TO THINK, WELL, WHERE COULDN’T INTER MARRY, YOU
BEGIN TO THINK, WELL, WHERE
IS HE COMING FROM. BEGIN TO THINK, WELL, WHERE
IS HE COMING FROM.
THAT WAS THE DOMINANT OPINION IS HE COMING FROM.
THAT WAS THE DOMINANT OPINION
AT THE TIME, AND HE SHARED THAT WAS THE DOMINANT OPINION
AT THE TIME, AND HE SHARED
IT. AT THE TIME, AND HE SHARED
IT.
BUT THE FACT THAT HE THEN IT.
BUT THE FACT THAT HE THEN
GREW FROM THAT AND RIGHT HERE BUT THE FACT THAT HE THEN
GREW FROM THAT AND RIGHT HERE
THE END, SHOWING THAT HE WAS GREW FROM THAT AND RIGHT HERE
THE END, SHOWING THAT HE WAS
PUTTING HIMSELF WAY OUT ON A THE END, SHOWING THAT HE WAS
PUTTING HIMSELF WAY OUT ON A
LIMB TO ASK FOR VOTING, AND PUTTING HIMSELF WAY OUT ON A
LIMB TO ASK FOR VOTING, AND
TO THINK ABOUT THAT, EVEN LIMB TO ASK FOR VOTING, AND
TO THINK ABOUT THAT, EVEN
THOUGH HE WAS JUST CONFINING TO THINK ABOUT THAT, EVEN
THOUGH HE WAS JUST CONFINING
US TO BLACKS IN THE ARMY AND THOUGH HE WAS JUST CONFINING
US TO BLACKS IN THE ARMY AND
INTELLIGENT BLACKS, IT TOOK US TO BLACKS IN THE ARMY AND
INTELLIGENT BLACKS, IT TOOK
100 YEARS BEFORE WE FULLY INTELLIGENT BLACKS, IT TOOK
100 YEARS BEFORE WE FULLY
EXTENDED VOTING TO BLACK 100 YEARS BEFORE WE FULLY
EXTENDED VOTING TO BLACK
AMERICANS. EXTENDED VOTING TO BLACK
AMERICANS.
>>I LOVE THE CLARK SCENE. AMERICANS.
>>I LOVE THE CLARK SCENE.
HERE’S WHERE THE GUYS CAN >>I LOVE THE CLARK SCENE.
HERE’S WHERE THE GUYS CAN
THINK IN A WAY THAT I HERE’S WHERE THE GUYS CAN
THINK IN A WAY THAT I
COULDN’T. THINK IN A WAY THAT I
COULDN’T.
I THINK CHRONOLOGICALLY, THE COULDN’T.
I THINK CHRONOLOGICALLY, THE
GETTYSBURG IS BACK IN 1863, I THINK CHRONOLOGICALLY, THE
GETTYSBURG IS BACK IN 1863,
HOW ARE WE GOING TO GET IT IN GETTYSBURG IS BACK IN 1863,
HOW ARE WE GOING TO GET IT IN
THIS FILM. HOW ARE WE GOING TO GET IT IN
THIS FILM.
THAT WAS INCREDIBLE YOU GET THIS FILM.
THAT WAS INCREDIBLE YOU GET
IT IN THE FILM BUT ARA CLARK THAT WAS INCREDIBLE YOU GET
IT IN THE FILM BUT ARA CLARK
AND THE MEETING WITH THE IT IN THE FILM BUT ARA CLARK
AND THE MEETING WITH THE
SOLDIERS AND THE GUY CAN’T AND THE MEETING WITH THE
SOLDIERS AND THE GUY CAN’T
REMEMBERS IT AND CLARK SOLDIERS AND THE GUY CAN’T
REMEMBERS IT AND CLARK
REMEMBERS IT. REMEMBERS IT AND CLARK
REMEMBERS IT.
>>THAT COMES WITH A FEW REMEMBERS IT.
>>THAT COMES WITH A FEW
RIVALS BECAUSE YOU HAVE THE >>THAT COMES WITH A FEW
RIVALS BECAUSE YOU HAVE THE
WONDERFUL THING OF THE TWO RIVALS BECAUSE YOU HAVE THE
WONDERFUL THING OF THE TWO
KIDS THAT — PART OF WHAT WONDERFUL THING OF THE TWO
KIDS THAT — PART OF WHAT
MAKES YOUR WAY OF TREATING KIDS THAT — PART OF WHAT
MAKES YOUR WAY OF TREATING
HISTORY SO — MAKES YOUR WAY OF TREATING
HISTORY SO —
>>OH COOL, YOU NEVER TOLD ME HISTORY SO —
>>OH COOL, YOU NEVER TOLD ME
THAT. >>OH COOL, YOU NEVER TOLD ME
THAT.
I GUESS I NEVER KNEW. THAT.
I GUESS I NEVER KNEW.
>>THEY MENTIONED THESE TWO I GUESS I NEVER KNEW.
>>THEY MENTIONED THESE TWO
BOYS WHO CLIMBED UNDER THE >>THEY MENTIONED THESE TWO
BOYS WHO CLIMBED UNDER THE
PLATFORM, THE SPEAKER’S BOYS WHO CLIMBED UNDER THE
PLATFORM, THE SPEAKER’S
PLATFORM AT GETTYSBURG, AND PLATFORM, THE SPEAKER’S
PLATFORM AT GETTYSBURG, AND
SO IN ONE OF THE EARLIEST PLATFORM AT GETTYSBURG, AND
SO IN ONE OF THE EARLIEST
DRAFTS, I WROTE A SCENE, SO IN ONE OF THE EARLIEST
DRAFTS, I WROTE A SCENE,
BECAUSE ORIGINALLY I WAS DRAFTS, I WROTE A SCENE,
BECAUSE ORIGINALLY I WAS
GOING TO TRY TO START IN THE BECAUSE ORIGINALLY I WAS
GOING TO TRY TO START IN THE
MID 1863, BUT I DIDN’T WANT GOING TO TRY TO START IN THE
MID 1863, BUT I DIDN’T WANT
TO HAVE LINCOLN STANDING UP MID 1863, BUT I DIDN’T WANT
TO HAVE LINCOLN STANDING UP
AND DOING THE ADDRESS, SO I TO HAVE LINCOLN STANDING UP
AND DOING THE ADDRESS, SO I
DID THE WHOLE THING WITH AND DOING THE ADDRESS, SO I
DID THE WHOLE THING WITH
THESE KIDS UNDER THE DID THE WHOLE THING WITH
THESE KIDS UNDER THE
PLATFORM, LOOKING AT THESE THESE KIDS UNDER THE
PLATFORM, LOOKING AT THESE
SIZE 16 SHOES, AND SORT OF PLATFORM, LOOKING AT THESE
SIZE 16 SHOES, AND SORT OF
HEARING WHAT HE WAS SAYING, SIZE 16 SHOES, AND SORT OF
HEARING WHAT HE WAS SAYING,
AND THEN THEY SHOWED UP MUCH HEARING WHAT HE WAS SAYING,
AND THEN THEY SHOWED UP MUCH
LATER. AND THEN THEY SHOWED UP MUCH
LATER.
THAT’S WHERE THE KIDS CAME LATER.
THAT’S WHERE THE KIDS CAME
FROM. THAT’S WHERE THE KIDS CAME
FROM.
>>HERE’S ONE OF THE FROM.
>>HERE’S ONE OF THE
INTERESTING QUESTIONS. >>HERE’S ONE OF THE
INTERESTING QUESTIONS.
CAN YOU SPECULATE FROM YOUR INTERESTING QUESTIONS.
CAN YOU SPECULATE FROM YOUR
KNOWLEDGE OF LINCOLN, HOW CAN YOU SPECULATE FROM YOUR
KNOWLEDGE OF LINCOLN, HOW
WOULD RECONSTRUCTION HAVE KNOWLEDGE OF LINCOLN, HOW
WOULD RECONSTRUCTION HAVE
BEEN DIFFERENT HAD LINCOLN WOULD RECONSTRUCTION HAVE
BEEN DIFFERENT HAD LINCOLN
LIVED, KNOWING THAT THADDEUS BEEN DIFFERENT HAD LINCOLN
LIVED, KNOWING THAT THADDEUS
WAS SUCH A RADICAL AND LIVED, KNOWING THAT THADDEUS
WAS SUCH A RADICAL AND
RECONSTRUCTIONIST. WAS SUCH A RADICAL AND
RECONSTRUCTIONIST.
>>LINCOLN KNEW THAT THE RECONSTRUCTIONIST.
>>LINCOLN KNEW THAT THE
PROCESS OF RECONSTRUCTION >>LINCOLN KNEW THAT THE
PROCESS OF RECONSTRUCTION
WOULD BE THE MOST DIFFICULT PROCESS OF RECONSTRUCTION
WOULD BE THE MOST DIFFICULT
ACT OF STATESMANSHIP THAT HE WOULD BE THE MOST DIFFICULT
ACT OF STATESMANSHIP THAT HE
HAD EVER FACED, FAR MORE ACT OF STATESMANSHIP THAT HE
HAD EVER FACED, FAR MORE
DIFFICULT THAN SAVING THE HAD EVER FACED, FAR MORE
DIFFICULT THAN SAVING THE
UNION AND EVEN THE 13TH DIFFICULT THAN SAVING THE
UNION AND EVEN THE 13TH
AMENDMENT. UNION AND EVEN THE 13TH
AMENDMENT.
BECAUSE HE KNEW THAT AMENDMENT.
BECAUSE HE KNEW THAT
DIFFERENT FACTIONS WERE GOING BECAUSE HE KNEW THAT
DIFFERENT FACTIONS WERE GOING
TO BE ARCING, AS WAS EVEN DIFFERENT FACTIONS WERE GOING
TO BE ARCING, AS WAS EVEN
SEEN IN THE MOVIE, SOME TO BE ARCING, AS WAS EVEN
SEEN IN THE MOVIE, SOME
WANTING TO REALLY UNDO THE SEEN IN THE MOVIE, SOME
WANTING TO REALLY UNDO THE
SOUTH, OTHERS WANTING TO BE WANTING TO REALLY UNDO THE
SOUTH, OTHERS WANTING TO BE
MORE LENIENT. SOUTH, OTHERS WANTING TO BE
MORE LENIENT.
BUT I CAN ONLY SAY FROM MY MORE LENIENT.
BUT I CAN ONLY SAY FROM MY
OWN FEELING, AND IT’S THE BUT I CAN ONLY SAY FROM MY
OWN FEELING, AND IT’S THE
HISTORICAL QUESTION THAT OWN FEELING, AND IT’S THE
HISTORICAL QUESTION THAT
EVERYBODY ASKS WHAT WOULD HISTORICAL QUESTION THAT
EVERYBODY ASKS WHAT WOULD
LINCOLN HAVE DONE DIFFERENT, EVERYBODY ASKS WHAT WOULD
LINCOLN HAVE DONE DIFFERENT,
THERE’S NO QUESTION THAT LINCOLN HAVE DONE DIFFERENT,
THERE’S NO QUESTION THAT
GIVEN THE HUMANE PERSON HE THERE’S NO QUESTION THAT
GIVEN THE HUMANE PERSON HE
WAS, GIVEN THE SECOND GIVEN THE HUMANE PERSON HE
WAS, GIVEN THE SECOND
INAUGURAL WHERE ON THE EVE OF WAS, GIVEN THE SECOND
INAUGURAL WHERE ON THE EVE OF
WINNING THE WAR HE DOESN’T INAUGURAL WHERE ON THE EVE OF
WINNING THE WAR HE DOESN’T
TALK ABOUT ANY CONQUERING WINNING THE WAR HE DOESN’T
TALK ABOUT ANY CONQUERING
HERO, INSTEAD, SLAVERY WAS TALK ABOUT ANY CONQUERING
HERO, INSTEAD, SLAVERY WAS
SHARED BY BOTH SIDES, BOTH HERO, INSTEAD, SLAVERY WAS
SHARED BY BOTH SIDES, BOTH
SIDES READ THE SAME BIBLE, SHARED BY BOTH SIDES, BOTH
SIDES READ THE SAME BIBLE,
PRAYED TO THE SAME GOD, AND SIDES READ THE SAME BIBLE,
PRAYED TO THE SAME GOD, AND
THE SOUTH LOST THE BEST PRAYED TO THE SAME GOD, AND
THE SOUTH LOST THE BEST
FRIEND THEY WOULD COUNTER — THE SOUTH LOST THE BEST
FRIEND THEY WOULD COUNTER —
COULD HAVE EVER HAD. FRIEND THEY WOULD COUNTER —
COULD HAVE EVER HAD.
IF RECONSTRUCTION COULD HAVE COULD HAVE EVER HAD.
IF RECONSTRUCTION COULD HAVE
BEEN DIFFERENT, I DON’T THINK IF RECONSTRUCTION COULD HAVE
BEEN DIFFERENT, I DON’T THINK
THIS WOULD HAVE LASTED, THE BEEN DIFFERENT, I DON’T THINK
THIS WOULD HAVE LASTED, THE
ENMITY, AND THAT’S THE THIS WOULD HAVE LASTED, THE
ENMITY, AND THAT’S THE
TERRIBLE SADNESS OF LINCOLN. ENMITY, AND THAT’S THE
TERRIBLE SADNESS OF LINCOLN.
THE FUNNIER NOTE, PEOPLE TERRIBLE SADNESS OF LINCOLN.
THE FUNNIER NOTE, PEOPLE
ASKED ME THAT QUESTION, IF THE FUNNIER NOTE, PEOPLE
ASKED ME THAT QUESTION, IF
YOU COULD BE WITH LINCOLN, ASKED ME THAT QUESTION, IF
YOU COULD BE WITH LINCOLN,
WHAT WOULD YOU ASK HIM AND I YOU COULD BE WITH LINCOLN,
WHAT WOULD YOU ASK HIM AND I
KNOW I’M SUPPOSED TO ASK HIM WHAT WOULD YOU ASK HIM AND I
KNOW I’M SUPPOSED TO ASK HIM
WHAT WOULD YOU DO ABOUT KNOW I’M SUPPOSED TO ASK HIM
WHAT WOULD YOU DO ABOUT
RECONSTRUCTION BUT I WOULD WHAT WOULD YOU DO ABOUT
RECONSTRUCTION BUT I WOULD
HAVE SAID LINCOLN, TELL ME RECONSTRUCTION BUT I WOULD
HAVE SAID LINCOLN, TELL ME
ONE OF YOUR FUNNY STORIES. HAVE SAID LINCOLN, TELL ME
ONE OF YOUR FUNNY STORIES.
THEN I’D REALLY COME ALIVE. ONE OF YOUR FUNNY STORIES.
THEN I’D REALLY COME ALIVE.
>>IF YOU HAD TO PICK ONE THEN I’D REALLY COME ALIVE.
>>IF YOU HAD TO PICK ONE
SINGLE FRAME FROM THE FILM, >>IF YOU HAD TO PICK ONE
SINGLE FRAME FROM THE FILM,
WHAT WOULD BE YOUR FAVORITE SINGLE FRAME FROM THE FILM,
WHAT WOULD BE YOUR FAVORITE
IMAGE? WHAT WOULD BE YOUR FAVORITE
IMAGE?
>>OH, THAT’S A HARD QUESTION IMAGE?
>>OH, THAT’S A HARD QUESTION
THIS IS A FILM LESS ABOUT >>OH, THAT’S A HARD QUESTION
THIS IS A FILM LESS ABOUT
IMAGES, MORE ABOUT IDEAS, THIS IS A FILM LESS ABOUT
IMAGES, MORE ABOUT IDEAS,
LANGUAGES, CHARACTER RI IMAGES, MORE ABOUT IDEAS,
LANGUAGES, CHARACTER RI
SITUATIONS — LANGUAGES, CHARACTER RI
SITUATIONS —
CHARACTERIZATIONS. SITUATIONS —
CHARACTERIZATIONS.
I PERSONALLY DID NOT PUT MY CHARACTERIZATIONS.
I PERSONALLY DID NOT PUT MY
CAMERA OUT IN FRONT OF THE I PERSONALLY DID NOT PUT MY
CAMERA OUT IN FRONT OF THE
STORY. CAMERA OUT IN FRONT OF THE
STORY.
I USUALLY DO THAT. STORY.
I USUALLY DO THAT.
I KNOW HOW TO DO THAT. I USUALLY DO THAT.
I KNOW HOW TO DO THAT.
I KNOW HOW TO MAKE MY I KNOW HOW TO DO THAT.
I KNOW HOW TO MAKE MY
CONTRIBUTION AS A CINEAST, OR I KNOW HOW TO MAKE MY
CONTRIBUTION AS A CINEAST, OR
A FRENCH WORD FOR FILM CONTRIBUTION AS A CINEAST, OR
A FRENCH WORD FOR FILM
ENTHUSIAST — IT DOESN’T MEAN A FRENCH WORD FOR FILM
ENTHUSIAST — IT DOESN’T MEAN
WHAT YOU MIGHT THINK IT ENTHUSIAST — IT DOESN’T MEAN
WHAT YOU MIGHT THINK IT
MEANS! WHAT YOU MIGHT THINK IT
MEANS!
>> THANK YOU FOR CLEARING MEANS!
>> THANK YOU FOR CLEARING
THAT UP. >> THANK YOU FOR CLEARING
THAT UP.
>>THOSE FRENCH, YOU KNOW, THAT UP.
>>THOSE FRENCH, YOU KNOW,
THOSE FRENCH GET ME IN >>THOSE FRENCH, YOU KNOW,
THOSE FRENCH GET ME IN
TROUBLE ALL THE TIME. THOSE FRENCH GET ME IN
TROUBLE ALL THE TIME.
>>ARE WE BACK TO ERIC ST TROUBLE ALL THE TIME.
>>ARE WE BACK TO ERIC ST
STROEHEIM? >>ARE WE BACK TO ERIC ST
STROEHEIM?
>>BECAUSE I DON’T — THE STROEHEIM?
>>BECAUSE I DON’T — THE
IMAGE THAT I THINK I REMEMBER >>BECAUSE I DON’T — THE
IMAGE THAT I THINK I REMEMBER
THE MOST IS THE IMAGE OF IMAGE THAT I THINK I REMEMBER
THE MOST IS THE IMAGE OF
LINCOLN TAKING HIS SPEECH OUT THE MOST IS THE IMAGE OF
LINCOLN TAKING HIS SPEECH OUT
OF HIS HAT. LINCOLN TAKING HIS SPEECH OUT
OF HIS HAT.
BECAUSE THAT HAT WAS LIKE A OF HIS HAT.
BECAUSE THAT HAT WAS LIKE A
SUITCASE. BECAUSE THAT HAT WAS LIKE A
SUITCASE.
THERE WERE MORE THINGS IN SUITCASE.
THERE WERE MORE THINGS IN
THAT HAT THAN THIS FILM DARED THERE WERE MORE THINGS IN
THAT HAT THAN THIS FILM DARED
TO SHOW, BUT THAT HAT WAS HIS THAT HAT THAN THIS FILM DARED
TO SHOW, BUT THAT HAT WAS HIS
BRIEFCASE, AND I THINK THE TO SHOW, BUT THAT HAT WAS HIS
BRIEFCASE, AND I THINK THE
IDEA THAT THINGS KEPT COMING BRIEFCASE, AND I THINK THE
IDEA THAT THINGS KEPT COMING
OUT OF THE HAT — IDEA THAT THINGS KEPT COMING
OUT OF THE HAT —
>>MY FAVORITE — OUT OF THE HAT —
>>MY FAVORITE —
>>I LIKE THAT IMAGE. >>MY FAVORITE —
>>I LIKE THAT IMAGE.
>>MY FAVORITE SCENE IS THE >>I LIKE THAT IMAGE.
>>MY FAVORITE SCENE IS THE
TELEGRAPH OFFICE WHEN HE HAS >>MY FAVORITE SCENE IS THE
TELEGRAPH OFFICE WHEN HE HAS
TO MAKE THAT REALLY TOUGH TELEGRAPH OFFICE WHEN HE HAS
TO MAKE THAT REALLY TOUGH
DECISION TO SEND A DIFFERENT TO MAKE THAT REALLY TOUGH
DECISION TO SEND A DIFFERENT
NOTE TO GENERAL GRANT, AFTER DECISION TO SEND A DIFFERENT
NOTE TO GENERAL GRANT, AFTER
THE CONVERSATION THAT HE HAS, NOTE TO GENERAL GRANT, AFTER
THE CONVERSATION THAT HE HAS,
WHICH IS WHERE YOU MAY HAVE THE CONVERSATION THAT HE HAS,
WHICH IS WHERE YOU MAY HAVE
STARTED, AS YOU WERE SAYING WHICH IS WHERE YOU MAY HAVE
STARTED, AS YOU WERE SAYING
TO THE STUDENTS, AND THEN HE STARTED, AS YOU WERE SAYING
TO THE STUDENTS, AND THEN HE
LEAVES AND YOU FEEL THE TO THE STUDENTS, AND THEN HE
LEAVES AND YOU FEEL THE
WEIGHT OF THE DECISION ON LEAVES AND YOU FEEL THE
WEIGHT OF THE DECISION ON
HIM, BUT HE REACHES OVER AND WEIGHT OF THE DECISION ON
HIM, BUT HE REACHES OVER AND
HE TOUCHES THE SHOULDERS OF HIM, BUT HE REACHES OVER AND
HE TOUCHES THE SHOULDERS OF
THOSE TWO BOYS. HE TOUCHES THE SHOULDERS OF
THOSE TWO BOYS.
FOR SOME REASON, THAT GOT ME, THOSE TWO BOYS.
FOR SOME REASON, THAT GOT ME,
THAT SCENE. FOR SOME REASON, THAT GOT ME,
THAT SCENE.
>>TONY? THAT SCENE.
>>TONY?
>>I THINK THAT THE MOMENT >>TONY?
>>I THINK THAT THE MOMENT
THEY LOVED THE MOST, AS >>I THINK THAT THE MOMENT
THEY LOVED THE MOST, AS
STEVEN SAID EARLIER, THE THEY LOVED THE MOST, AS
STEVEN SAID EARLIER, THE
PAUSES ARE MORE IMPORTANT IN STEVEN SAID EARLIER, THE
PAUSES ARE MORE IMPORTANT IN
SOME WAYS THAN THE TALKING PAUSES ARE MORE IMPORTANT IN
SOME WAYS THAN THE TALKING
MOMENTS. SOME WAYS THAN THE TALKING
MOMENTS.
FOR ME, THERE’S A MOMENT WHEN MOMENTS.
FOR ME, THERE’S A MOMENT WHEN
— AFTER RIDING ACROSS NO FOR ME, THERE’S A MOMENT WHEN
— AFTER RIDING ACROSS NO
MAN’S LAND, AT PETERSBURG. — AFTER RIDING ACROSS NO
MAN’S LAND, AT PETERSBURG.
AND HE WAS SITTING ON THE MAN’S LAND, AT PETERSBURG.
AND HE WAS SITTING ON THE
PORCH WITH GRANT, AND NO — AND HE WAS SITTING ON THE
PORCH WITH GRANT, AND NO —
AND THERE’S THIS MOMENT WHEN PORCH WITH GRANT, AND NO —
AND THERE’S THIS MOMENT WHEN
HE’S IN THE ROCKING CHAIR AND AND THERE’S THIS MOMENT WHEN
HE’S IN THE ROCKING CHAIR AND
I THINK HIS EYES ARE CLOSED, HE’S IN THE ROCKING CHAIR AND
I THINK HIS EYES ARE CLOSED,
AND THE SHADOWS OF THE MEN I THINK HIS EYES ARE CLOSED,
AND THE SHADOWS OF THE MEN
WHO ARE MARCHING BEFORE THE AND THE SHADOWS OF THE MEN
WHO ARE MARCHING BEFORE THE
HOUSE, THE IMAGES OF THE WHO ARE MARCHING BEFORE THE
HOUSE, THE IMAGES OF THE
FACES PASS, AND THAT JUST HOUSE, THE IMAGES OF THE
FACES PASS, AND THAT JUST
KILLS ME AND HE LOOKS 100 FACES PASS, AND THAT JUST
KILLS ME AND HE LOOKS 100
YEARS OLD AND SOMEHOW THE KILLS ME AND HE LOOKS 100
YEARS OLD AND SOMEHOW THE
WHOLE WAR IS MOVING THROUGH YEARS OLD AND SOMEHOW THE
WHOLE WAR IS MOVING THROUGH
HIS HEAD AT THAT MOMENT, AND WHOLE WAR IS MOVING THROUGH
HIS HEAD AT THAT MOMENT, AND
IT’S JUST — I FIND IT HIS HEAD AT THAT MOMENT, AND
IT’S JUST — I FIND IT
TREMENDOUSLY POWERFUL. IT’S JUST — I FIND IT
TREMENDOUSLY POWERFUL.
>>KWROERBGS AND THEN THE TREMENDOUSLY POWERFUL.
>>KWROERBGS AND THEN THE
SCENE WHEN — >>KWROERBGS AND THEN THE
SCENE WHEN —
>>KWROERBGS AND THEN THE SCENE WHEN —
>>KWROERBGS AND THEN THE
SCENE WHEN THEY SAY THIS IS >>KWROERBGS AND THEN THE
SCENE WHEN THEY SAY THIS IS
THE PEOPLES’ HOUSE, THEN THEY SCENE WHEN THEY SAY THIS IS
THE PEOPLES’ HOUSE, THEN THEY
SHOW THE AFRICAN-AMERICANS THE PEOPLES’ HOUSE, THEN THEY
SHOW THE AFRICAN-AMERICANS
COMING IN TO THE BALCONY. SHOW THE AFRICAN-AMERICANS
COMING IN TO THE BALCONY.
MY GOD. COMING IN TO THE BALCONY.
MY GOD.
>>I TRIED VERY HARD TO GET MY GOD.
>>I TRIED VERY HARD TO GET
THIS. >>I TRIED VERY HARD TO GET
THIS.
THIS WAS A VERY CONSCIOUS THIS.
THIS WAS A VERY CONSCIOUS
ATTEMPT. THIS WAS A VERY CONSCIOUS
ATTEMPT.
THERE WAS A MOMENT, ON THE ATTEMPT.
THERE WAS A MOMENT, ON THE
RIDE TO THE BATTLEFIELD, THERE WAS A MOMENT, ON THE
RIDE TO THE BATTLEFIELD,
WHERE LINCOLN IS IN A TRENCH RIDE TO THE BATTLEFIELD,
WHERE LINCOLN IS IN A TRENCH
AND JUST BEFORE LINCOLN, THE WHERE LINCOLN IS IN A TRENCH
AND JUST BEFORE LINCOLN, THE
CONFEDERATE FLAG PASSES IN AND JUST BEFORE LINCOLN, THE
CONFEDERATE FLAG PASSES IN
FRONT OF THE AMERICAN FLAG, CONFEDERATE FLAG PASSES IN
FRONT OF THE AMERICAN FLAG,
AND IT’S THAT ONE MOMENT FRONT OF THE AMERICAN FLAG,
AND IT’S THAT ONE MOMENT
WHERE THE TWO FLAGS ACTUALLY AND IT’S THAT ONE MOMENT
WHERE THE TWO FLAGS ACTUALLY
MEET AND CROSS EACH OTHER. WHERE THE TWO FLAGS ACTUALLY
MEET AND CROSS EACH OTHER.
>>YES. MEET AND CROSS EACH OTHER.
>>YES.
FOR ME, IT’S THE PASSAGE OF >>YES.
FOR ME, IT’S THE PASSAGE OF
THE 13TH AMENDMENT. FOR ME, IT’S THE PASSAGE OF
THE 13TH AMENDMENT.
>>[LAUGHTER] THE 13TH AMENDMENT.
>>[LAUGHTER]
>>IT WAS REPORTED THAT THE >>[LAUGHTER]
>>IT WAS REPORTED THAT THE
RELEASE OF THE MOVIE WAS >>IT WAS REPORTED THAT THE
RELEASE OF THE MOVIE WAS
INTENTIONALLY DELAYED UNTIL RELEASE OF THE MOVIE WAS
INTENTIONALLY DELAYED UNTIL
AFTER THE PRESIDENTIAL INTENTIONALLY DELAYED UNTIL
AFTER THE PRESIDENTIAL
ELECTION. AFTER THE PRESIDENTIAL
ELECTION.
PLEASE SPEAK TO THAT. ELECTION.
PLEASE SPEAK TO THAT.
>>WELL, I HAD A LOT OF PLEASE SPEAK TO THAT.
>>WELL, I HAD A LOT OF
RESISTANCE AND PUSHBACK ON >>WELL, I HAD A LOT OF
RESISTANCE AND PUSHBACK ON
THAT. RESISTANCE AND PUSHBACK ON
THAT.
THE STUDIO WANTED THE FILM TO THAT.
THE STUDIO WANTED THE FILM TO
COME OUT IN OCTOBER, RIGHT IN THE STUDIO WANTED THE FILM TO
COME OUT IN OCTOBER, RIGHT IN
THE MIDDLE OF THE ELECTION COME OUT IN OCTOBER, RIGHT IN
THE MIDDLE OF THE ELECTION
CYCLE, RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE MIDDLE OF THE ELECTION
CYCLE, RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF
THE BACK AND FORTH, YOU KNOW, CYCLE, RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF
THE BACK AND FORTH, YOU KNOW,
THE PUNDITS, THE POLLS, OH, THE BACK AND FORTH, YOU KNOW,
THE PUNDITS, THE POLLS, OH,
THOSE INFURIATING POLLS, MY THE PUNDITS, THE POLLS, OH,
THOSE INFURIATING POLLS, MY
GOD, BUT THEY WERE RIGHT. THOSE INFURIATING POLLS, MY
GOD, BUT THEY WERE RIGHT.
THERE WAS JUST SO MUCH NOISE GOD, BUT THEY WERE RIGHT.
THERE WAS JUST SO MUCH NOISE
THAT I THOUGHT WE WOULD JUST THERE WAS JUST SO MUCH NOISE
THAT I THOUGHT WE WOULD JUST
BE A BADMINTON GOING BACK AND THAT I THOUGHT WE WOULD JUST
BE A BADMINTON GOING BACK AND
FORTH ACROSS THE NET. BE A BADMINTON GOING BACK AND
FORTH ACROSS THE NET.
THERE WAS SO MUCH NOISY FORTH ACROSS THE NET.
THERE WAS SO MUCH NOISY
DIDN’T FEEL THERE WAS ROOM THERE WAS SO MUCH NOISY
DIDN’T FEEL THERE WAS ROOM
FOR LINCOLN TO FIND HIS VOICE DIDN’T FEEL THERE WAS ROOM
FOR LINCOLN TO FIND HIS VOICE
IN THE MIDDLE OF WHAT WAS ONE FOR LINCOLN TO FIND HIS VOICE
IN THE MIDDLE OF WHAT WAS ONE
OF THE MOST CONTENTIOUS IN THE MIDDLE OF WHAT WAS ONE
OF THE MOST CONTENTIOUS
ELECTIONS I HAVE EVER OF THE MOST CONTENTIOUS
ELECTIONS I HAVE EVER
EXPERIENCED IN MY EXISTENCE ELECTIONS I HAVE EVER
EXPERIENCED IN MY EXISTENCE
FOLLOWING ELECTIONS. EXPERIENCED IN MY EXISTENCE
FOLLOWING ELECTIONS.
SO I REALLY INSISTED, AT ONE FOLLOWING ELECTIONS.
SO I REALLY INSISTED, AT ONE
POINT, I JUST INSISTED THAT SO I REALLY INSISTED, AT ONE
POINT, I JUST INSISTED THAT
WE’LL COME OUT THERE’S A POINT, I JUST INSISTED THAT
WE’LL COME OUT THERE’S A
SECOND THERE’S A DECISION AND WE’LL COME OUT THERE’S A
SECOND THERE’S A DECISION AND
WE’LL COME OUT THREE DAYS SECOND THERE’S A DECISION AND
WE’LL COME OUT THREE DAYS
LATER, AS EARLY AS THAT. WE’LL COME OUT THREE DAYS
LATER, AS EARLY AS THAT.
WELL, BY GUM, THEY RELEASED LATER, AS EARLY AS THAT.
WELL, BY GUM, THEY RELEASED
THE FILM THREE DAYS AFTER THE WELL, BY GUM, THEY RELEASED
THE FILM THREE DAYS AFTER THE
ELECTION. THE FILM THREE DAYS AFTER THE
ELECTION.
>>THAT’S HOW ANXIOUS THEY ELECTION.
>>THAT’S HOW ANXIOUS THEY
WERE TO GET IT OUT. >>THAT’S HOW ANXIOUS THEY
WERE TO GET IT OUT.
BUT I JUST FELT WE WOULD NOT WERE TO GET IT OUT.
BUT I JUST FELT WE WOULD NOT
HAVE HAD THE TIME TO EITHER BUT I JUST FELT WE WOULD NOT
HAVE HAD THE TIME TO EITHER
BE ACCEPTED OR THOUGHT ABOUT HAVE HAD THE TIME TO EITHER
BE ACCEPTED OR THOUGHT ABOUT
AND DISCUSSED WITH ALL THE BE ACCEPTED OR THOUGHT ABOUT
AND DISCUSSED WITH ALL THE
OTHER MORE IMPORTANT AND DISCUSSED WITH ALL THE
OTHER MORE IMPORTANT
OVERRIDING MACHINERY OF OTHER MORE IMPORTANT
OVERRIDING MACHINERY OF
POLITICS. OVERRIDING MACHINERY OF
POLITICS.
>>OKAY. POLITICS.
>>OKAY.
THIS NEXT QUESTION WOULD BE A >>OKAY.
THIS NEXT QUESTION WOULD BE A
SPOIL ALERT FOR ANYONE WHO THIS NEXT QUESTION WOULD BE A
SPOIL ALERT FOR ANYONE WHO
HASN’T SEEN THE MOVIE. SPOIL ALERT FOR ANYONE WHO
HASN’T SEEN THE MOVIE.
IT SAYS TO THE HISTORICAL HASN’T SEEN THE MOVIE.
IT SAYS TO THE HISTORICAL
EVIDENCE, IS THERE HISTORICAL IT SAYS TO THE HISTORICAL
EVIDENCE, IS THERE HISTORICAL
EVIDENCE THAT THADDEUS EVIDENCE, IS THERE HISTORICAL
EVIDENCE THAT THADDEUS
STEVENS HAD A BLACK MISTRESS, EVIDENCE THAT THADDEUS
STEVENS HAD A BLACK MISTRESS,
IF NOT, WHAT WAS THE DECISION STEVENS HAD A BLACK MISTRESS,
IF NOT, WHAT WAS THE DECISION
THAT MADE THAT POSSIBLE? IF NOT, WHAT WAS THE DECISION
THAT MADE THAT POSSIBLE?
>>THE BLACK MISTRESS? THAT MADE THAT POSSIBLE?
>>THE BLACK MISTRESS?
>>I WOULDN’T CALL HER HIS >>THE BLACK MISTRESS?
>>I WOULDN’T CALL HER HIS
MISTRESS. >>I WOULDN’T CALL HER HIS
MISTRESS.
SHE WAS HIS WIFE, BASICALLY. MISTRESS.
SHE WAS HIS WIFE, BASICALLY.
>>COMMON LAW WIFE. SHE WAS HIS WIFE, BASICALLY.
>>COMMON LAW WIFE.
>>IT WAS HIS HOUSEKEEPER FOR >>COMMON LAW WIFE.
>>IT WAS HIS HOUSEKEEPER FOR
37 YEARS, HE WASN’T MARRIED. >>IT WAS HIS HOUSEKEEPER FOR
37 YEARS, HE WASN’T MARRIED.
THE ONLY DOCUMENTARY EVIDENCE 37 YEARS, HE WASN’T MARRIED.
THE ONLY DOCUMENTARY EVIDENCE
IS THE SERIES OF LETTERS THAT THE ONLY DOCUMENTARY EVIDENCE
IS THE SERIES OF LETTERS THAT
HE WROTE TO HER KIDS. IS THE SERIES OF LETTERS THAT
HE WROTE TO HER KIDS.
SHE HAD BEEN MARRIED BEFORE, HE WROTE TO HER KIDS.
SHE HAD BEEN MARRIED BEFORE,
AND SHE HAD SEVERAL CHILDREN SHE HAD BEEN MARRIED BEFORE,
AND SHE HAD SEVERAL CHILDREN
WHO WERE ADULT CHILDREN AT AND SHE HAD SEVERAL CHILDREN
WHO WERE ADULT CHILDREN AT
THE TIME THAT STEVENS WAS WHO WERE ADULT CHILDREN AT
THE TIME THAT STEVENS WAS
WRITING TO THEM. THE TIME THAT STEVENS WAS
WRITING TO THEM.
THERE WAS ONE SON IN WRITING TO THEM.
THERE WAS ONE SON IN
PARTICULAR WHO WAS GIVING HIS THERE WAS ONE SON IN
PARTICULAR WHO WAS GIVING HIS
MOTHER A HARD TIME, AND PARTICULAR WHO WAS GIVING HIS
MOTHER A HARD TIME, AND
STEVENS WRITES FAIRLY STERN MOTHER A HARD TIME, AND
STEVENS WRITES FAIRLY STERN
STERNLY, AND YOU GET A STEVENS WRITES FAIRLY STERN
STERNLY, AND YOU GET A
FAIRLY, YOU KNOW, CLEAR SENSE STERNLY, AND YOU GET A
FAIRLY, YOU KNOW, CLEAR SENSE
THAT HE IS ACCEPTED AS THE FAIRLY, YOU KNOW, CLEAR SENSE
THAT HE IS ACCEPTED AS THE
FATHER IN THIS FAMILY THAT HE IS ACCEPTED AS THE
FATHER IN THIS FAMILY
STRUCTURE. FATHER IN THIS FAMILY
STRUCTURE.
IT WAS RUMORED BY MANY, MANY STRUCTURE.
IT WAS RUMORED BY MANY, MANY
PEOPLE IN WASHINGTON AT THE IT WAS RUMORED BY MANY, MANY
PEOPLE IN WASHINGTON AT THE
TIME, AND YOU KNOW, I DON’T PEOPLE IN WASHINGTON AT THE
TIME, AND YOU KNOW, I DON’T
THINK THAT WE INTENDED TO SAY TIME, AND YOU KNOW, I DON’T
THINK THAT WE INTENDED TO SAY
THAT HIS INCREDIBLY ADVANCED THINK THAT WE INTENDED TO SAY
THAT HIS INCREDIBLY ADVANCED
FOR THE TIME RACIAL POLITICS THAT HIS INCREDIBLY ADVANCED
FOR THE TIME RACIAL POLITICS
WERE REDUCIBLE TO THE FACT FOR THE TIME RACIAL POLITICS
WERE REDUCIBLE TO THE FACT
THAT HE LOVED A BLACK WOMAN, WERE REDUCIBLE TO THE FACT
THAT HE LOVED A BLACK WOMAN,
BUT IT SEEMED TO ME VERY THAT HE LOVED A BLACK WOMAN,
BUT IT SEEMED TO ME VERY
IMPORTANT WHEN I FOUND THAT BUT IT SEEMED TO ME VERY
IMPORTANT WHEN I FOUND THAT
ONE OF THE BIOGRAPHIES ABOUT IMPORTANT WHEN I FOUND THAT
ONE OF THE BIOGRAPHIES ABOUT
STEVENS, THAT WHEN HE DIED, ONE OF THE BIOGRAPHIES ABOUT
STEVENS, THAT WHEN HE DIED,
HE WAS BURIED IN A CEMETARY STEVENS, THAT WHEN HE DIED,
HE WAS BURIED IN A CEMETARY
IN PENNSYLVANIA, AND HIS TOMB HE WAS BURIED IN A CEMETARY
IN PENNSYLVANIA, AND HIS TOMB
STONE SAYS I’M BURIED IN THIS IN PENNSYLVANIA, AND HIS TOMB
STONE SAYS I’M BURIED IN THIS
GRAVEYARD NOT BECAUSE I THINK STONE SAYS I’M BURIED IN THIS
GRAVEYARD NOT BECAUSE I THINK
IT’S A PARTICULARLY NICE GRAVEYARD NOT BECAUSE I THINK
IT’S A PARTICULARLY NICE
GRAVEYARD BUT IT’S THE ONLY IT’S A PARTICULARLY NICE
GRAVEYARD BUT IT’S THE ONLY
GRAVEYARD IN THE STATE OF GRAVEYARD BUT IT’S THE ONLY
GRAVEYARD IN THE STATE OF
PENNSYLVANIA WHERE BLACK GRAVEYARD IN THE STATE OF
PENNSYLVANIA WHERE BLACK
PEOPLE AND WHITE PEOPLE CAN PENNSYLVANIA WHERE BLACK
PEOPLE AND WHITE PEOPLE CAN
BE BURIED SIDE BY SIDE. PEOPLE AND WHITE PEOPLE CAN
BE BURIED SIDE BY SIDE.
SO THERE IS A VERY DEEP BE BURIED SIDE BY SIDE.
SO THERE IS A VERY DEEP
CONNECTION. SO THERE IS A VERY DEEP
CONNECTION.
AND I THOUGHT THAT WAS AN CONNECTION.
AND I THOUGHT THAT WAS AN
IMPORTANT — AND I THOUGHT THAT WAS AN
IMPORTANT —
>>W.B. DEBOISE WROTE OF IMPORTANT —
>>W.B. DEBOISE WROTE OF
THADDEUS STEVENS, WROTE A >>W.B. DEBOISE WROTE OF
THADDEUS STEVENS, WROTE A
CHAPTER OF IT OF THE LARGEST THADDEUS STEVENS, WROTE A
CHAPTER OF IT OF THE LARGEST
FUNERAL ATTENDED BY BLACKS OF CHAPTER OF IT OF THE LARGEST
FUNERAL ATTENDED BY BLACKS OF
ANY TIME, UNTIL THE PASSING FUNERAL ATTENDED BY BLACKS OF
ANY TIME, UNTIL THE PASSING
OF DR. KING. ANY TIME, UNTIL THE PASSING
OF DR. KING.
>>WHEN LINCOLN’S TRAIN WAS OF DR. KING.
>>WHEN LINCOLN’S TRAIN WAS
GOING THROUGH PENNSYLVANIA, >>WHEN LINCOLN’S TRAIN WAS
GOING THROUGH PENNSYLVANIA,
THE FUNERAL TRAIN ON THE WAY GOING THROUGH PENNSYLVANIA,
THE FUNERAL TRAIN ON THE WAY
TO SPRINGFIELD FOR THE FINAL THE FUNERAL TRAIN ON THE WAY
TO SPRINGFIELD FOR THE FINAL
RESTING PLACE, FOR LINCOLN’S TO SPRINGFIELD FOR THE FINAL
RESTING PLACE, FOR LINCOLN’S
BODY, STEVENS WASN’T HOME IN RESTING PLACE, FOR LINCOLN’S
BODY, STEVENS WASN’T HOME IN
THE TOWN OF PENNSYLVANIA, AND BODY, STEVENS WASN’T HOME IN
THE TOWN OF PENNSYLVANIA, AND
HE WAS 70 YEARS OLD I THINK THE TOWN OF PENNSYLVANIA, AND
HE WAS 70 YEARS OLD I THINK
AT THAT POINT AND HE WAS HE WAS 70 YEARS OLD I THINK
AT THAT POINT AND HE WAS
QUITE ILL, HE HAD GOTTEN A AT THAT POINT AND HE WAS
QUITE ILL, HE HAD GOTTEN A
BAD FLU, AND IT WAS A QUITE ILL, HE HAD GOTTEN A
BAD FLU, AND IT WAS A
TERRIBLY COLD, RAINY DAY IN BAD FLU, AND IT WAS A
TERRIBLY COLD, RAINY DAY IN
APRIL, AND HE GOT OUT OF HIS TERRIBLY COLD, RAINY DAY IN
APRIL, AND HE GOT OUT OF HIS
SICK BED AND WALKED TO THE APRIL, AND HE GOT OUT OF HIS
SICK BED AND WALKED TO THE
RAILROAD TRACKS, AND STOOD IN SICK BED AND WALKED TO THE
RAILROAD TRACKS, AND STOOD IN
THE FREEZING RAIN FOR LIKE RAILROAD TRACKS, AND STOOD IN
THE FREEZING RAIN FOR LIKE
TWO OR THREE HOURS UNTIL THE THE FREEZING RAIN FOR LIKE
TWO OR THREE HOURS UNTIL THE
TRAIN CAME BUT AND TOOK HIS TWO OR THREE HOURS UNTIL THE
TRAIN CAME BUT AND TOOK HIS
HAT OFF TO PAY HIS RESPECTS. TRAIN CAME BUT AND TOOK HIS
HAT OFF TO PAY HIS RESPECTS.
>>I THINK WHAT YOU CAPTURED HAT OFF TO PAY HIS RESPECTS.
>>I THINK WHAT YOU CAPTURED
IMPORTANTLY ABOUT THADDEUS >>I THINK WHAT YOU CAPTURED
IMPORTANTLY ABOUT THADDEUS
STEVENS AND ALSO PERHAPS IMPORTANTLY ABOUT THADDEUS
STEVENS AND ALSO PERHAPS
ABOUT A CERTAIN RADICAL STEVENS AND ALSO PERHAPS
ABOUT A CERTAIN RADICAL
FIGURE, WHEN YOU WERE ABLE TO ABOUT A CERTAIN RADICAL
FIGURE, WHEN YOU WERE ABLE TO
SHOW HE WAS RIGHT, HIS VISION FIGURE, WHEN YOU WERE ABLE TO
SHOW HE WAS RIGHT, HIS VISION
WAS RIGHT, WHAT HE WANTED WAS SHOW HE WAS RIGHT, HIS VISION
WAS RIGHT, WHAT HE WANTED WAS
RIGHT, BUT HE DIDN’T REALLY WAS RIGHT, WHAT HE WANTED WAS
RIGHT, BUT HE DIDN’T REALLY
CARE WHETHER THE PEOPLE RIGHT, BUT HE DIDN’T REALLY
CARE WHETHER THE PEOPLE
ACCEPTED IT. CARE WHETHER THE PEOPLE
ACCEPTED IT.
HE WAS LIKE WHO CARES ABOUT ACCEPTED IT.
HE WAS LIKE WHO CARES ABOUT
THE PEOPLE. HE WAS LIKE WHO CARES ABOUT
THE PEOPLE.
>>HE SAID I DON’T GIVE A — THE PEOPLE.
>>HE SAID I DON’T GIVE A —
ABOUT THE PEOPLE! >>HE SAID I DON’T GIVE A —
ABOUT THE PEOPLE!
>> THAT’S WHAT HE SAID. ABOUT THE PEOPLE!
>> THAT’S WHAT HE SAID.
>>I WORKED ON THAT LONG AND >> THAT’S WHAT HE SAID.
>>I WORKED ON THAT LONG AND
HARD FOR THE PEOPLE, WITHOUT >>I WORKED ON THAT LONG AND
HARD FOR THE PEOPLE, WITHOUT
CARING MUCH FOR ANY OF THEM. HARD FOR THE PEOPLE, WITHOUT
CARING MUCH FOR ANY OF THEM.
>>THAT’S EXACTLY RIGHT AND CARING MUCH FOR ANY OF THEM.
>>THAT’S EXACTLY RIGHT AND
THE THING IS, THAT’S THE >>THAT’S EXACTLY RIGHT AND
THE THING IS, THAT’S THE
DIFFERENCE WITH LINCOLN. THE THING IS, THAT’S THE
DIFFERENCE WITH LINCOLN.
LINCOLN, AND IT’S SHOWN IN DIFFERENCE WITH LINCOLN.
LINCOLN, AND IT’S SHOWN IN
THE FILM, HE SAID I HAVE LINCOLN, AND IT’S SHOWN IN
THE FILM, HE SAID I HAVE
THESE PUBLIC OPINION BATHS THE FILM, HE SAID I HAVE
THESE PUBLIC OPINION BATHS
EVERY MORNING, ALL THE PEOPLE THESE PUBLIC OPINION BATHS
EVERY MORNING, ALL THE PEOPLE
THAT KEPT COMING IN TO SEE EVERY MORNING, ALL THE PEOPLE
THAT KEPT COMING IN TO SEE
HIM AND AFTER A WHILE JOHN THAT KEPT COMING IN TO SEE
HIM AND AFTER A WHILE JOHN
HAY AND NICK LAY SAID YOU HIM AND AFTER A WHILE JOHN
HAY AND NICK LAY SAID YOU
DON’T HAVE TIME FOR THIS AND HAY AND NICK LAY SAID YOU
DON’T HAVE TIME FOR THIS AND
HE SAID THAT’S WRONG, IT’S MY DON’T HAVE TIME FOR THIS AND
HE SAID THAT’S WRONG, IT’S MY
PUBLIC OPINION BATH AND I HE SAID THAT’S WRONG, IT’S MY
PUBLIC OPINION BATH AND I
NEVER FORGET FROM WHERE I’VE PUBLIC OPINION BATH AND I
NEVER FORGET FROM WHERE I’VE
COME, AND IT WAS THAT TOUCH, NEVER FORGET FROM WHERE I’VE
COME, AND IT WAS THAT TOUCH,
THAT HE LOVED THE PEOPLE. COME, AND IT WAS THAT TOUCH,
THAT HE LOVED THE PEOPLE.
AND THIS WONDERFUL DREAM HE THAT HE LOVED THE PEOPLE.
AND THIS WONDERFUL DREAM HE
HAD ONE TIME, HE SAID HE WAS AND THIS WONDERFUL DREAM HE
HAD ONE TIME, HE SAID HE WAS
DREAMING THAT SOMEBODY WAS HAD ONE TIME, HE SAID HE WAS
DREAMING THAT SOMEBODY WAS
TALKING ABOUT HIM AND SAYING DREAMING THAT SOMEBODY WAS
TALKING ABOUT HIM AND SAYING
THAT HE WAS UGLY, YOU KNOW, TALKING ABOUT HIM AND SAYING
THAT HE WAS UGLY, YOU KNOW,
HE WAS AT A PARTY, AND HIS THAT HE WAS UGLY, YOU KNOW,
HE WAS AT A PARTY, AND HIS
ANSWER TO THE PERSON IN THE HE WAS AT A PARTY, AND HIS
ANSWER TO THE PERSON IN THE
DREAM WAS WELL — THEY SAID ANSWER TO THE PERSON IN THE
DREAM WAS WELL — THEY SAID
HE LOOKED COMMON OR SOMETHING DREAM WAS WELL — THEY SAID
HE LOOKED COMMON OR SOMETHING
LIKE THAT OF THE HE WAS UGLY HE LOOKED COMMON OR SOMETHING
LIKE THAT OF THE HE WAS UGLY
AND COMMON. LIKE THAT OF THE HE WAS UGLY
AND COMMON.
AND HE SAID WELL, GOD MADE AND COMMON.
AND HE SAID WELL, GOD MADE
MORE OF US THAN BEAUTIFUL AND HE SAID WELL, GOD MADE
MORE OF US THAN BEAUTIFUL
PEOPLE, OR MUST HAVE LOVED MORE OF US THAN BEAUTIFUL
PEOPLE, OR MUST HAVE LOVED
US. PEOPLE, OR MUST HAVE LOVED
US.
IT’S NOT THAT, I’VE SCREWED US.
IT’S NOT THAT, I’VE SCREWED
IT UP, BUT IT WAS BETTER THAN IT’S NOT THAT, I’VE SCREWED
IT UP, BUT IT WAS BETTER THAN
THAT. IT UP, BUT IT WAS BETTER THAN
THAT.
>>I THINK THAT, JUST TO ADD THAT.
>>I THINK THAT, JUST TO ADD
ONE LAST THING, I REMEMBER >>I THINK THAT, JUST TO ADD
ONE LAST THING, I REMEMBER
WHEN I WAS READING KING OF ONE LAST THING, I REMEMBER
WHEN I WAS READING KING OF
RIVALS FOR THE FIRST TIME, WHEN I WAS READING KING OF
RIVALS FOR THE FIRST TIME,
THE QUOTE THAT YOU — YOU RIVALS FOR THE FIRST TIME,
THE QUOTE THAT YOU — YOU
MAYBE EVEN USED IT AS PART OF THE QUOTE THAT YOU — YOU
MAYBE EVEN USED IT AS PART OF
A CHAPTER HEADING, THAT MAYBE EVEN USED IT AS PART OF
A CHAPTER HEADING, THAT
LINCOLN SAYS ABOUT THE A CHAPTER HEADING, THAT
LINCOLN SAYS ABOUT THE
RADICALS, WHO WERE ALWAYS IN LINCOLN SAYS ABOUT THE
RADICALS, WHO WERE ALWAYS IN
JUST SORT OF DISMISSED AS RADICALS, WHO WERE ALWAYS IN
JUST SORT OF DISMISSED AS
GREAT ADVERSARIES BECAUSE JUST SORT OF DISMISSED AS
GREAT ADVERSARIES BECAUSE
THEY REALLY DID GIVE HIM A GREAT ADVERSARIES BECAUSE
THEY REALLY DID GIVE HIM A
VERY HARD TIME, BUT THE THEY REALLY DID GIVE HIM A
VERY HARD TIME, BUT THE
UNHANDIEST DEVILS IN THE VERY HARD TIME, BUT THE
UNHANDIEST DEVILS IN THE
WORLD BUT HIS EYES ARE UNHANDIEST DEVILS IN THE
WORLD BUT HIS EYES ARE
POINTING ZIONWARD AND HE HAD WORLD BUT HIS EYES ARE
POINTING ZIONWARD AND HE HAD
THE SENSE THAT THE REPUBLICAN POINTING ZIONWARD AND HE HAD
THE SENSE THAT THE REPUBLICAN
PARTY WAS A CENTRIST LEFT THE SENSE THAT THE REPUBLICAN
PARTY WAS A CENTRIST LEFT
PARTY AND WHEN SUE YARD PARTY WAS A CENTRIST LEFT
PARTY AND WHEN SUE YARD
PROPOSED TO LINCOLN THEY GET PARTY AND WHEN SUE YARD
PROPOSED TO LINCOLN THEY GET
RID OF THE CONSERVATIVE AND PROPOSED TO LINCOLN THEY GET
RID OF THE CONSERVATIVE AND
RADICAL ELEMENT OF THE RID OF THE CONSERVATIVE AND
RADICAL ELEMENT OF THE
REPUBLICAN PARTY AND FORM A RADICAL ELEMENT OF THE
REPUBLICAN PARTY AND FORM A
PURELY CENTERED PARTY, REPUBLICAN PARTY AND FORM A
PURELY CENTERED PARTY,
LINCOLN WASN’T INTERESTED IN PURELY CENTERED PARTY,
LINCOLN WASN’T INTERESTED IN
IT AT ALL, AND IN MANY LINCOLN WASN’T INTERESTED IN
IT AT ALL, AND IN MANY
PLACES, HE TALKS ABOUT THE IT AT ALL, AND IN MANY
PLACES, HE TALKS ABOUT THE
FACT THAT HE FEELS A GREAT PLACES, HE TALKS ABOUT THE
FACT THAT HE FEELS A GREAT
AFFINITY, A NECESSITY FOR FACT THAT HE FEELS A GREAT
AFFINITY, A NECESSITY FOR
MAKING AN ALLIANCE WITH AFFINITY, A NECESSITY FOR
MAKING AN ALLIANCE WITH
PEOPLE OF THE RADICAL LEFT MAKING AN ALLIANCE WITH
PEOPLE OF THE RADICAL LEFT
AND HE CALLS HIMSELF A PEOPLE OF THE RADICAL LEFT
AND HE CALLS HIMSELF A
CONSERVATIVE BECAUSE HE SAYS AND HE CALLS HIMSELF A
CONSERVATIVE BECAUSE HE SAYS
THEY’RE MORE IN POWER THAN CONSERVATIVE BECAUSE HE SAYS
THEY’RE MORE IN POWER THAN
IDEALS. THEY’RE MORE IN POWER THAN
IDEALS.
SO IT’S AN IMPORTANT THING TO IDEALS.
SO IT’S AN IMPORTANT THING TO
THINK ABOUT IN THINKING ABOUT SO IT’S AN IMPORTANT THING TO
THINK ABOUT IN THINKING ABOUT
LINCOLN. THINK ABOUT IN THINKING ABOUT
LINCOLN.
>>THE THING IS, IN TERMS OF LINCOLN.
>>THE THING IS, IN TERMS OF
ALL THE LESSONS THAT WE COULD >>THE THING IS, IN TERMS OF
ALL THE LESSONS THAT WE COULD
LEARN TODAY, JUST BY LOOKING ALL THE LESSONS THAT WE COULD
LEARN TODAY, JUST BY LOOKING
BACK IN HISTORY, YOU KNOW, IS LEARN TODAY, JUST BY LOOKING
BACK IN HISTORY, YOU KNOW, IS
THAT THAT DOGMATIC NECESSITY BACK IN HISTORY, YOU KNOW, IS
THAT THAT DOGMATIC NECESSITY
OF NOT GIVING AN INCH TO A THAT THAT DOGMATIC NECESSITY
OF NOT GIVING AN INCH TO A
GOOD IDEA, THAT EVERYBODY OF NOT GIVING AN INCH TO A
GOOD IDEA, THAT EVERYBODY
MIGHT EMBRACE, BECAUSE IT’S GOOD IDEA, THAT EVERYBODY
MIGHT EMBRACE, BECAUSE IT’S
NOT THE PARTY LINE, AND YOU MIGHT EMBRACE, BECAUSE IT’S
NOT THE PARTY LINE, AND YOU
WOULD BE BETRAYING YOUR PARTY NOT THE PARTY LINE, AND YOU
WOULD BE BETRAYING YOUR PARTY
MUCH IN THE WAY, I GUESS, YOU WOULD BE BETRAYING YOUR PARTY
MUCH IN THE WAY, I GUESS, YOU
KNOW, THE GOVERNOR OF NEW MUCH IN THE WAY, I GUESS, YOU
KNOW, THE GOVERNOR OF NEW
JERSEY GOT IN TROUBLE IN THE KNOW, THE GOVERNOR OF NEW
JERSEY GOT IN TROUBLE IN THE
REPUBLICAN BASE FOR PRAISING JERSEY GOT IN TROUBLE IN THE
REPUBLICAN BASE FOR PRAISING
OBAMA, BECAUSE OF THE REPUBLICAN BASE FOR PRAISING
OBAMA, BECAUSE OF THE
HURRICANE SANDY RELEASE. OBAMA, BECAUSE OF THE
HURRICANE SANDY RELEASE.
AND IT’S JUST — I THINK IT HURRICANE SANDY RELEASE.
AND IT’S JUST — I THINK IT
WAS KENNEDY WHO ACTUALLY SAID AND IT’S JUST — I THINK IT
WAS KENNEDY WHO ACTUALLY SAID
IT’S DANGEROUS TO BE TOO WAS KENNEDY WHO ACTUALLY SAID
IT’S DANGEROUS TO BE TOO
LOYAL TO YOUR PARTY WHEN IT’S DANGEROUS TO BE TOO
LOYAL TO YOUR PARTY WHEN
THERE’S A GOOD IDEA OUT THERE LOYAL TO YOUR PARTY WHEN
THERE’S A GOOD IDEA OUT THERE
THAT EVERYBODY COULD EMBRACE THERE’S A GOOD IDEA OUT THERE
THAT EVERYBODY COULD EMBRACE
BUT IT’S JUST NOT THE WAY YOU THAT EVERYBODY COULD EMBRACE
BUT IT’S JUST NOT THE WAY YOU
WERE BROUGHT UP, IT’S NOT THE BUT IT’S JUST NOT THE WAY YOU
WERE BROUGHT UP, IT’S NOT THE
WAY YOU WERE RAISED, AND THAT WERE BROUGHT UP, IT’S NOT THE
WAY YOU WERE RAISED, AND THAT
WAS THE DIFFERENCE, I THINK. WAY YOU WERE RAISED, AND THAT
WAS THE DIFFERENCE, I THINK.
>>[APPLAUSE] WAS THE DIFFERENCE, I THINK.
>>[APPLAUSE]
>> >>[APPLAUSE]
>>
>>THIS IS FOR YOU, THE >>
>>THIS IS FOR YOU, THE
WRITERS. >>THIS IS FOR YOU, THE
WRITERS.
WHAT IS THE PROCESS OF WRITERS.
WHAT IS THE PROCESS OF
WRITING? WHAT IS THE PROCESS OF
WRITING?
UP IN THE MORNING, AT THE WRITING?
UP IN THE MORNING, AT THE
STKPHEFBG HOW ABOUT YOU? UP IN THE MORNING, AT THE
STKPHEFBG HOW ABOUT YOU?
DO YOU — AT THE DESK? STKPHEFBG HOW ABOUT YOU?
DO YOU — AT THE DESK?
HOW ABOUT YOU, DORIS, DO YOU DO YOU — AT THE DESK?
HOW ABOUT YOU, DORIS, DO YOU
HAVE A RITUAL AS A WRITER? HOW ABOUT YOU, DORIS, DO YOU
HAVE A RITUAL AS A WRITER?
>>YES. HAVE A RITUAL AS A WRITER?
>>YES.
THE MORNINGS ARE THE BEST >>YES.
THE MORNINGS ARE THE BEST
LINE. THE MORNINGS ARE THE BEST
LINE.
BECAUSE I HAVE A DEADLINE ON LINE.
BECAUSE I HAVE A DEADLINE ON
A BOOK I’M WORKING ON NOW ON BECAUSE I HAVE A DEADLINE ON
A BOOK I’M WORKING ON NOW ON
THEY’DER ROOSEVELT AND HOWARD A BOOK I’M WORKING ON NOW ON
THEY’DER ROOSEVELT AND HOWARD
TAFT’S FRIENDSHIP AND IT HAS THEY’DER ROOSEVELT AND HOWARD
TAFT’S FRIENDSHIP AND IT HAS
TO BE DONE IN THE SUMMER, SO TAFT’S FRIENDSHIP AND IT HAS
TO BE DONE IN THE SUMMER, SO
I’M WAKING UP, 5:30, SO I TO BE DONE IN THE SUMMER, SO
I’M WAKING UP, 5:30, SO I
HAVE A COUPLE OF HOURS BEFORE I’M WAKING UP, 5:30, SO I
HAVE A COUPLE OF HOURS BEFORE
MY HUSBAND YELLS DORIS, WHERE HAVE A COUPLE OF HOURS BEFORE
MY HUSBAND YELLS DORIS, WHERE
ARE YOU! MY HUSBAND YELLS DORIS, WHERE
ARE YOU!
>> ARE YOU FILM RIGHTS ARE YOU!
>> ARE YOU FILM RIGHTS
AVAILABLE? >> ARE YOU FILM RIGHTS
AVAILABLE?
>>[APPLAUSE] AVAILABLE?
>>[APPLAUSE]
>>SHAKE ON IT! >>[APPLAUSE]
>>SHAKE ON IT!
>> SO TO MAKE IT QUICK, I >>SHAKE ON IT!
>> SO TO MAKE IT QUICK, I
WORK IN THE MORNINGS AND HE >> SO TO MAKE IT QUICK, I
WORK IN THE MORNINGS AND HE
COMES DOWN AND I MAKE WORK IN THE MORNINGS AND HE
COMES DOWN AND I MAKE
BREAKFAST AND HE READS AND I COMES DOWN AND I MAKE
BREAKFAST AND HE READS AND I
READ AND WE WORK UNTIL 1:00 BREAKFAST AND HE READS AND I
READ AND WE WORK UNTIL 1:00
AND WE OFTEN GO AND HAVE READ AND WE WORK UNTIL 1:00
AND WE OFTEN GO AND HAVE
LUNCH TOGETHER IN THE HOUSE AND WE OFTEN GO AND HAVE
LUNCH TOGETHER IN THE HOUSE
AND READ THE NEWSPAPER THEN. LUNCH TOGETHER IN THE HOUSE
AND READ THE NEWSPAPER THEN.
PHI START READING THEM IN THE AND READ THE NEWSPAPER THEN.
PHI START READING THEM IN THE
MORNING, I WON’T GET INTO THE PHI START READING THEM IN THE
MORNING, I WON’T GET INTO THE
MODE OF BEING BACK IN THE MORNING, I WON’T GET INTO THE
MODE OF BEING BACK IN THE
EARLY 1900S. MODE OF BEING BACK IN THE
EARLY 1900S.
AND THEN WORK A COUPLE MORE EARLY 1900S.
AND THEN WORK A COUPLE MORE
HOURS IN THE AFTERNOON, AND AND THEN WORK A COUPLE MORE
HOURS IN THE AFTERNOON, AND
THEN WE GO EVERY SINGLE NIGHT HOURS IN THE AFTERNOON, AND
THEN WE GO EVERY SINGLE NIGHT
TO THE SAME BAR, RESTAURANT, THEN WE GO EVERY SINGLE NIGHT
TO THE SAME BAR, RESTAURANT,
IN CONCORD, MASSACHUSETTS, TO THE SAME BAR, RESTAURANT,
IN CONCORD, MASSACHUSETTS,
WHERE WE LIVE, UNLESS WE HAVE IN CONCORD, MASSACHUSETTS,
WHERE WE LIVE, UNLESS WE HAVE
A SOCIAL OBLIGATION, AND IT’S WHERE WE LIVE, UNLESS WE HAVE
A SOCIAL OBLIGATION, AND IT’S
THE SAME 10 OR 15 PEOPLE A SOCIAL OBLIGATION, AND IT’S
THE SAME 10 OR 15 PEOPLE
THERE, AND I DON’T THINK ANY THE SAME 10 OR 15 PEOPLE
THERE, AND I DON’T THINK ANY
MORE ABOUT LINCOLN OR I DON’T THERE, AND I DON’T THINK ANY
MORE ABOUT LINCOLN OR I DON’T
THINK ABOUT TEDDY ROOSEVELT MORE ABOUT LINCOLN OR I DON’T
THINK ABOUT TEDDY ROOSEVELT
AND I NEVER WORK AT NIGHT. THINK ABOUT TEDDY ROOSEVELT
AND I NEVER WORK AT NIGHT.
I USED TO WHEN I WAS SINGLE, AND I NEVER WORK AT NIGHT.
I USED TO WHEN I WAS SINGLE,
WHEN I WAS AT HARVARD, I I USED TO WHEN I WAS SINGLE,
WHEN I WAS AT HARVARD, I
COULD WORK ALL NIGHT. WHEN I WAS AT HARVARD, I
COULD WORK ALL NIGHT.
ONCE I HAD KIDS, THAT WAS COULD WORK ALL NIGHT.
ONCE I HAD KIDS, THAT WAS
GONE. ONCE I HAD KIDS, THAT WAS
GONE.
SO MORNINGS. GONE.
SO MORNINGS.
ARE YOU A MORNING PERSON? SO MORNINGS.
ARE YOU A MORNING PERSON?
YOU SEEM LIKE A — ARE YOU A MORNING PERSON?
YOU SEEM LIKE A —
>>MY WRITING RITUAL IS I GET YOU SEEM LIKE A —
>>MY WRITING RITUAL IS I GET
UP IN THE MORNING AND I SEND >>MY WRITING RITUAL IS I GET
UP IN THE MORNING AND I SEND
AN E-MAIL TO STEVEN UP IN THE MORNING AND I SEND
AN E-MAIL TO STEVEN
APOLOGIZING FOR BEING LATE. AN E-MAIL TO STEVEN
APOLOGIZING FOR BEING LATE.
>>[LAUGHTER] APOLOGIZING FOR BEING LATE.
>>[LAUGHTER]
>>THIS IS TRUE! >>[LAUGHTER]
>>THIS IS TRUE!
>> REALLY? >>THIS IS TRUE!
>> REALLY?
>>DAILY. >> REALLY?
>>DAILY.
>>DAILY. >>DAILY.
>>DAILY.
>>THAT WAS MY DAILY SHOW. >>DAILY.
>>THAT WAS MY DAILY SHOW.
>>WELL, I GUESS — >>THAT WAS MY DAILY SHOW.
>>WELL, I GUESS —
>>DO YOU WORK IN THE >>WELL, I GUESS —
>>DO YOU WORK IN THE
MORNINGS, THOUGH? >>DO YOU WORK IN THE
MORNINGS, THOUGH?
>>YEAH, I DO. MORNINGS, THOUGH?
>>YEAH, I DO.
WE JUST GOT A PUPPY, AND — >>YEAH, I DO.
WE JUST GOT A PUPPY, AND —
>>[LAUGHTER] WE JUST GOT A PUPPY, AND —
>>[LAUGHTER]
>>MY WIFE — I DON’T HAVE A >>[LAUGHTER]
>>MY WIFE — I DON’T HAVE A
MORNING ANYMORE. >>MY WIFE — I DON’T HAVE A
MORNING ANYMORE.
SO I’M RUNNING AROUND, MORNING ANYMORE.
SO I’M RUNNING AROUND,
CHASING THIS ANIMAL AROUND SO I’M RUNNING AROUND,
CHASING THIS ANIMAL AROUND
THE HOUSE, AND I JUST HEAR MY CHASING THIS ANIMAL AROUND
THE HOUSE, AND I JUST HEAR MY
GRANDMOTHER, WHO CAME TO, YOU THE HOUSE, AND I JUST HEAR MY
GRANDMOTHER, WHO CAME TO, YOU
KNOW — FROM EASTERN EUROPE, GRANDMOTHER, WHO CAME TO, YOU
KNOW — FROM EASTERN EUROPE,
WHO DIDN’T CALL THEM DOGS, KNOW — FROM EASTERN EUROPE,
WHO DIDN’T CALL THEM DOGS,
SHE CALLED THEM ANIMALS, AND WHO DIDN’T CALL THEM DOGS,
SHE CALLED THEM ANIMALS, AND
SHE GOES I DON’T UNDERSTAND, SHE CALLED THEM ANIMALS, AND
SHE GOES I DON’T UNDERSTAND,
WHY DO YOU HAVE AN ANIMAL IN SHE GOES I DON’T UNDERSTAND,
WHY DO YOU HAVE AN ANIMAL IN
THE HOUSE! WHY DO YOU HAVE AN ANIMAL IN
THE HOUSE!
>> BUT SHE WAS RIGHT! THE HOUSE!
>> BUT SHE WAS RIGHT!
>>THE PROBLEM IS, TONY, WHEN >> BUT SHE WAS RIGHT!
>>THE PROBLEM IS, TONY, WHEN
THE PUPPY GROWS UP, YOU CAN’T >>THE PROBLEM IS, TONY, WHEN
THE PUPPY GROWS UP, YOU CAN’T
SEND HIM TO PRESCHOOL! THE PUPPY GROWS UP, YOU CAN’T
SEND HIM TO PRESCHOOL!
HE WILL ALWAYS BE WITH YOU! SEND HIM TO PRESCHOOL!
HE WILL ALWAYS BE WITH YOU!
>> SO I GUESS FUTURE WRITERS HE WILL ALWAYS BE WITH YOU!
>> SO I GUESS FUTURE WRITERS
CAN LEARN FROM THIS. >> SO I GUESS FUTURE WRITERS
CAN LEARN FROM THIS.
DON’T GET A DOG! CAN LEARN FROM THIS.
DON’T GET A DOG!
>> AND FIND A GOOD BAR! DON’T GET A DOG!
>> AND FIND A GOOD BAR!
>> [LAUGHTER] >> AND FIND A GOOD BAR!
>> [LAUGHTER]
>>HERE’S A QUESTION THAT >> [LAUGHTER]
>>HERE’S A QUESTION THAT
SAYS WHAT OTHER EVENTS OR >>HERE’S A QUESTION THAT
SAYS WHAT OTHER EVENTS OR
PERIODS WOULD BE DEPICT IN SAYS WHAT OTHER EVENTS OR
PERIODS WOULD BE DEPICT IN
LINCOLN II, THE SEQUEL. PERIODS WOULD BE DEPICT IN
LINCOLN II, THE SEQUEL.
IT WOULD HAVE TO THE PREQUEL LINCOLN II, THE SEQUEL.
IT WOULD HAVE TO THE PREQUEL
IN THIS CASE. IT WOULD HAVE TO THE PREQUEL
IN THIS CASE.
WHAT WOULD THE EVENT COVER? IN THIS CASE.
WHAT WOULD THE EVENT COVER?
>>MY GOODNESS. WHAT WOULD THE EVENT COVER?
>>MY GOODNESS.
I HAVE NO INTENTION OF GOING >>MY GOODNESS.
I HAVE NO INTENTION OF GOING
BACK INTO THE LINCOLN WORLD I HAVE NO INTENTION OF GOING
BACK INTO THE LINCOLN WORLD
AGAIN BECAUSE I JUST FEEL SO BACK INTO THE LINCOLN WORLD
AGAIN BECAUSE I JUST FEEL SO
COMPLETE BECAUSE OF THE WORK AGAIN BECAUSE I JUST FEEL SO
COMPLETE BECAUSE OF THE WORK
THAT EVERYBODY AROUND ME HAS COMPLETE BECAUSE OF THE WORK
THAT EVERYBODY AROUND ME HAS
DONE AND ALL THE ACTORS. THAT EVERYBODY AROUND ME HAS
DONE AND ALL THE ACTORS.
I DON’T FEEL COMPELLED TO GO DONE AND ALL THE ACTORS.
I DON’T FEEL COMPELLED TO GO
BACK THERE AGAIN. I DON’T FEEL COMPELLED TO GO
BACK THERE AGAIN.
IF SOMEBODY ELSE WAS MAKING A BACK THERE AGAIN.
IF SOMEBODY ELSE WAS MAKING A
LINCOLN STORY, AND I KNOW A IF SOMEBODY ELSE WAS MAKING A
LINCOLN STORY, AND I KNOW A
FEW PEOPLE WHO ARE DOING LINCOLN STORY, AND I KNOW A
FEW PEOPLE WHO ARE DOING
THIS, AROUND THE LINCOLN FEW PEOPLE WHO ARE DOING
THIS, AROUND THE LINCOLN
YEARS, I WOULD REALLY, AND I THIS, AROUND THE LINCOLN
YEARS, I WOULD REALLY, AND I
SAID THIS BEFORE TONIGHT AND YEARS, I WOULD REALLY, AND I
SAID THIS BEFORE TONIGHT AND
I’VE SAID THIS PRIVATELY TO SAID THIS BEFORE TONIGHT AND
I’VE SAID THIS PRIVATELY TO
BOTH DORIS AND TONY, I WOULD I’VE SAID THIS PRIVATELY TO
BOTH DORIS AND TONY, I WOULD
LOVE TO SEE THIS STORY OF BOTH DORIS AND TONY, I WOULD
LOVE TO SEE THIS STORY OF
FREDERICK DOUGLAS. LOVE TO SEE THIS STORY OF
FREDERICK DOUGLAS.
I WOULD LOVE TO SEE ABOUT HIS FREDERICK DOUGLAS.
I WOULD LOVE TO SEE ABOUT HIS
NEWSPAPER AND HIS SONS AND I WOULD LOVE TO SEE ABOUT HIS
NEWSPAPER AND HIS SONS AND
WHAT HE DID IN TERMS OF EQUAL NEWSPAPER AND HIS SONS AND
WHAT HE DID IN TERMS OF EQUAL
PAY, AND IT JUST — IT’S A WHAT HE DID IN TERMS OF EQUAL
PAY, AND IT JUST — IT’S A
RICH, RICH, DETAILED STORY PAY, AND IT JUST — IT’S A
RICH, RICH, DETAILED STORY
THAT SHOULD BE TOLD BY RICH, RICH, DETAILED STORY
THAT SHOULD BE TOLD BY
SOMEONE. THAT SHOULD BE TOLD BY
SOMEONE.
>>WHAT WERE SOME INSTANCES SOMEONE.
>>WHAT WERE SOME INSTANCES
IN LINCOLN’S CREATIVE LIFE, >>WHAT WERE SOME INSTANCES
IN LINCOLN’S CREATIVE LIFE,
IN ORDER TO CREATE A BETTER IN LINCOLN’S CREATIVE LIFE,
IN ORDER TO CREATE A BETTER
FILM? IN ORDER TO CREATE A BETTER
FILM?
>> THE RULE THAT WE SORT OF FILM?
>> THE RULE THAT WE SORT OF
FOLLOWED IS THAT WE HAVE >> THE RULE THAT WE SORT OF
FOLLOWED IS THAT WE HAVE
LICENSE TO STAY WHAT HAPPENS FOLLOWED IS THAT WE HAVE
LICENSE TO STAY WHAT HAPPENS
ON THE WAY TO WHAT HAPPENED, LICENSE TO STAY WHAT HAPPENS
ON THE WAY TO WHAT HAPPENED,
THAT YOU CAN — AS LONG AS ON THE WAY TO WHAT HAPPENED,
THAT YOU CAN — AS LONG AS
YOU DON’T IN ANY WAY THAT YOU CAN — AS LONG AS
YOU DON’T IN ANY WAY
SIGNIFICANTLY ALTAR — YOU YOU DON’T IN ANY WAY
SIGNIFICANTLY ALTAR — YOU
KNOW — ALTER — IF WE HAD SIGNIFICANTLY ALTAR — YOU
KNOW — ALTER — IF WE HAD
CLAIMED, FOR INSTANCE, THAT KNOW — ALTER — IF WE HAD
CLAIMED, FOR INSTANCE, THAT
THE ELDPASSED BY TWO VOTES AS CLAIMED, FOR INSTANCE, THAT
THE ELDPASSED BY TWO VOTES AS
IN THE FILM AND IN ACTUALITY THE ELDPASSED BY TWO VOTES AS
IN THE FILM AND IN ACTUALITY
IT PASSED BY 40 VOTES, THAT IN THE FILM AND IN ACTUALITY
IT PASSED BY 40 VOTES, THAT
WOULD BE A BETRAYAL OF IT PASSED BY 40 VOTES, THAT
WOULD BE A BETRAYAL OF
HISTORY AND DISTORTION OF WOULD BE A BETRAYAL OF
HISTORY AND DISTORTION OF
HISTORY AND WE DON’T DO THAT. HISTORY AND DISTORTION OF
HISTORY AND WE DON’T DO THAT.
FOR INSTANCE, GEORGE SHEAMAN HISTORY AND WE DON’T DO THAT.
FOR INSTANCE, GEORGE SHEAMAN
WAS PLAYED BY MICHAEL, HE WAS FOR INSTANCE, GEORGE SHEAMAN
WAS PLAYED BY MICHAEL, HE WAS
NOT A DEMOCRAT. WAS PLAYED BY MICHAEL, HE WAS
NOT A DEMOCRAT.
HE CAUCUSED WITH THE NOT A DEMOCRAT.
HE CAUCUSED WITH THE
DEMOCRATS. HE CAUCUSED WITH THE
DEMOCRATS.
BUT HE WAS NOT A — GIVEN THE DEMOCRATS.
BUT HE WAS NOT A — GIVEN THE
CONFUSION THAT WE KNEW WE BUT HE WAS NOT A — GIVEN THE
CONFUSION THAT WE KNEW WE
WERE GOING TO BE FACING WITH CONFUSION THAT WE KNEW WE
WERE GOING TO BE FACING WITH
REPUBLICANS BEING LEFT CENTER WERE GOING TO BE FACING WITH
REPUBLICANS BEING LEFT CENTER
AND DEMOCRATS BEING EXTREME REPUBLICANS BEING LEFT CENTER
AND DEMOCRATS BEING EXTREME
RIGHT, WE DIDN’T WANT TO ADD AND DEMOCRATS BEING EXTREME
RIGHT, WE DIDN’T WANT TO ADD
ANY CONDITIONAL UNION, SO WE RIGHT, WE DIDN’T WANT TO ADD
ANY CONDITIONAL UNION, SO WE
TURNED HIM INTO A DEMOCRAT. ANY CONDITIONAL UNION, SO WE
TURNED HIM INTO A DEMOCRAT.
BUT WE MOSTLY, YOU KNOW, WE TURNED HIM INTO A DEMOCRAT.
BUT WE MOSTLY, YOU KNOW, WE
CHANGED THE NAME OF A NUMBER BUT WE MOSTLY, YOU KNOW, WE
CHANGED THE NAME OF A NUMBER
OF REPRESENTATIVES, BECAUSE CHANGED THE NAME OF A NUMBER
OF REPRESENTATIVES, BECAUSE
WE WANTED TO MAKE — WE OF REPRESENTATIVES, BECAUSE
WE WANTED TO MAKE — WE
WEREN’T SURE WHETHER THEY HAD WE WANTED TO MAKE — WE
WEREN’T SURE WHETHER THEY HAD
ACCEPTED JOBS AND WHETHER THE WEREN’T SURE WHETHER THEY HAD
ACCEPTED JOBS AND WHETHER THE
JOBS THEY HAD ACCEPTED — ACCEPTED JOBS AND WHETHER THE
JOBS THEY HAD ACCEPTED —
>>WERE THE ACTUAL — JOBS THEY HAD ACCEPTED —
>>WERE THE ACTUAL —
>>– WAS THE REASON THEY >>WERE THE ACTUAL —
>>– WAS THE REASON THEY
VOTED YES FOR THE 13TH >>– WAS THE REASON THEY
VOTED YES FOR THE 13TH
AMENDMENT, SO RATHER THAN VOTED YES FOR THE 13TH
AMENDMENT, SO RATHER THAN
SORT OF DEFAMEING SOMEBODY AMENDMENT, SO RATHER THAN
SORT OF DEFAMEING SOMEBODY
EVEN THOUGH THEY’VE BEEN DEAD SORT OF DEFAMEING SOMEBODY
EVEN THOUGH THEY’VE BEEN DEAD
A LONG TIME, IF THEY WERE EVEN THOUGH THEY’VE BEEN DEAD
A LONG TIME, IF THEY WERE
SMALL ENOUGH FIGURES, WE A LONG TIME, IF THEY WERE
SMALL ENOUGH FIGURES, WE
WOULD CHANGE THE NAME. SMALL ENOUGH FIGURES, WE
WOULD CHANGE THE NAME.
WE DIDN’T CHANGE THADDEUS WOULD CHANGE THE NAME.
WE DIDN’T CHANGE THADDEUS
STEVENS’ NAME, BUT THINGS WE DIDN’T CHANGE THADDEUS
STEVENS’ NAME, BUT THINGS
LIKE THAT. STEVENS’ NAME, BUT THINGS
LIKE THAT.
MOSTLY, WE FOUND WHEN WE DUG LIKE THAT.
MOSTLY, WE FOUND WHEN WE DUG
INTO THE HISTORY, THE STORY MOSTLY, WE FOUND WHEN WE DUG
INTO THE HISTORY, THE STORY
WAS SO INTERESTING AND INTO THE HISTORY, THE STORY
WAS SO INTERESTING AND
COMPELLING, WE DIDN’T NEED TO WAS SO INTERESTING AND
COMPELLING, WE DIDN’T NEED TO
MAKE UP STUFF. COMPELLING, WE DIDN’T NEED TO
MAKE UP STUFF.
>>AND WE DON’T KNOW WHETHER MAKE UP STUFF.
>>AND WE DON’T KNOW WHETHER
THAT FIGHT THAT LINCOLN AND >>AND WE DON’T KNOW WHETHER
THAT FIGHT THAT LINCOLN AND
MARY HAD EXACTLY THAT WAY. THAT FIGHT THAT LINCOLN AND
MARY HAD EXACTLY THAT WAY.
WE KNOW THERE WERE INSTANCES MARY HAD EXACTLY THAT WAY.
WE KNOW THERE WERE INSTANCES
WHEN MARY LOST HER COOL, SO WE KNOW THERE WERE INSTANCES
WHEN MARY LOST HER COOL, SO
TO SPEAK, SPEAK, WHEN SHE WENT O WHEN MARY LOST HER COOL, SO
TO SPEAK, SPEAK, WHEN SHE WENT O
THE GROUNDS TO INTRODUCE THE TO SPEAK, SPEAK, WHEN SHE WENT O
THE GROUNDS TO INTRODUCE THE
TROOPS, AND GEORGE LIFE THE GROUNDS TO INTRODUCE THE
TROOPS, AND GEORGE LIFE
DECIDED TO RIDE A HORSE WITH TROOPS, AND GEORGE LIFE
DECIDED TO RIDE A HORSE WITH
THE PRESIDENT TO THE DECIDED TO RIDE A HORSE WITH
THE PRESIDENT TO THE
PLAYGROUNDS, WELL, MARY WAS THE PRESIDENT TO THE
PLAYGROUNDS, WELL, MARY WAS
IN THIS BUGGY, BEING BUCKED PLAYGROUNDS, WELL, MARY WAS
IN THIS BUGGY, BEING BUCKED
ABOUT AND SHE HAD ALREADY HAD IN THIS BUGGY, BEING BUCKED
ABOUT AND SHE HAD ALREADY HAD
A CARRIAGE ACCIDENT AND SHE ABOUT AND SHE HAD ALREADY HAD
A CARRIAGE ACCIDENT AND SHE
KEPT HIKING THE TOP OF THE A CARRIAGE ACCIDENT AND SHE
KEPT HIKING THE TOP OF THE
CLOSED CARRIAGE. KEPT HIKING THE TOP OF THE
CLOSED CARRIAGE.
BY THE TIME SHE GOT TO THE CLOSED CARRIAGE.
BY THE TIME SHE GOT TO THE
PARADE GROUNDS, SHE HAD A BY THE TIME SHE GOT TO THE
PARADE GROUNDS, SHE HAD A
COMPLETE AND MODERN-DAY PARADE GROUNDS, SHE HAD A
COMPLETE AND MODERN-DAY
MELTDOWN. COMPLETE AND MODERN-DAY
MELTDOWN.
IT’S WIDELY REPORTED. MELTDOWN.
IT’S WIDELY REPORTED.
THERE WERE THOUSANDS OF IT’S WIDELY REPORTED.
THERE WERE THOUSANDS OF
TROOPS WITNESSING THIS. THERE WERE THOUSANDS OF
TROOPS WITNESSING THIS.
IT WAS IN YOUR BOOK, IT WAS TROOPS WITNESSING THIS.
IT WAS IN YOUR BOOK, IT WAS
IN TONY’S VERY FIRST DRAFT, IT WAS IN YOUR BOOK, IT WAS
IN TONY’S VERY FIRST DRAFT,
AND WE TOOK SOME OF THE IN TONY’S VERY FIRST DRAFT,
AND WE TOOK SOME OF THE
HISTORICAL RECORD, PERSONAL AND WE TOOK SOME OF THE
HISTORICAL RECORD, PERSONAL
HISTORICAL RECORD, ABOUT THE HISTORICAL RECORD, PERSONAL
HISTORICAL RECORD, ABOUT THE
MARY LINCOLN RELATIONSHIP AND HISTORICAL RECORD, ABOUT THE
MARY LINCOLN RELATIONSHIP AND
TONY WAS ABLE TO FIND A MARY LINCOLN RELATIONSHIP AND
TONY WAS ABLE TO FIND A
MOMENT IN THE FILM BASED ON TONY WAS ABLE TO FIND A
MOMENT IN THE FILM BASED ON
MARY’S FEAR THAT SHE MIGHT MOMENT IN THE FILM BASED ON
MARY’S FEAR THAT SHE MIGHT
LOSE ROBERT IN BATTLE, TO MARY’S FEAR THAT SHE MIGHT
LOSE ROBERT IN BATTLE, TO
BRING THAT ARGUMENT TO A LOSE ROBERT IN BATTLE, TO
BRING THAT ARGUMENT TO A
CRISIS, TO A HEAD. BRING THAT ARGUMENT TO A
CRISIS, TO A HEAD.
>>I DON’T KNOW — ONE THING CRISIS, TO A HEAD.
>>I DON’T KNOW — ONE THING
THAT I DON’T KNOW — I MEAN, >>I DON’T KNOW — ONE THING
THAT I DON’T KNOW — I MEAN,
IN FACT, I’M PRETTY SURE THAT THAT I DON’T KNOW — I MEAN,
IN FACT, I’M PRETTY SURE THAT
THADDEUS STEVENS DIDN’T TAKE IN FACT, I’M PRETTY SURE THAT
THADDEUS STEVENS DIDN’T TAKE
THE ACTUAL BILL FROM THE THADDEUS STEVENS DIDN’T TAKE
THE ACTUAL BILL FROM THE
CLERK AND BRING IT HOME TO THE ACTUAL BILL FROM THE
CLERK AND BRING IT HOME TO
LIDIA SMITH. CLERK AND BRING IT HOME TO
LIDIA SMITH.
WE KNOW THAT SHE WASN’T IN LIDIA SMITH.
WE KNOW THAT SHE WASN’T IN
THE HOUSE ON THE DAY OF THE WE KNOW THAT SHE WASN’T IN
THE HOUSE ON THE DAY OF THE
VOTE. THE HOUSE ON THE DAY OF THE
VOTE.
AND HE WENT HOME. VOTE.
AND HE WENT HOME.
SO THAT’S LICENSE — IT AND HE WENT HOME.
SO THAT’S LICENSE — IT
SEEMED LIKE A GOOD WAY TO SO THAT’S LICENSE — IT
SEEMED LIKE A GOOD WAY TO
HEAR THE TEXT OF THE SEEMED LIKE A GOOD WAY TO
HEAR THE TEXT OF THE
AMENDMENT. HEAR THE TEXT OF THE
AMENDMENT.
>>AND THAT GREAT LINE IN THE AMENDMENT.
>>AND THAT GREAT LINE IN THE
GETTYSBURG SPEECH, THOUGH, >>AND THAT GREAT LINE IN THE
GETTYSBURG SPEECH, THOUGH,
ABOUT WHERE IMAGINATION HAD GETTYSBURG SPEECH, THOUGH,
ABOUT WHERE IMAGINATION HAD
TO FILL IN THE BLANKS. ABOUT WHERE IMAGINATION HAD
TO FILL IN THE BLANKS.
>>YES, IF I SAID THAT, THAT TO FILL IN THE BLANKS.
>>YES, IF I SAID THAT, THAT
MUST HAVE BEEN ANOTHER TIME >>YES, IF I SAID THAT, THAT
MUST HAVE BEEN ANOTHER TIME
IN MY LIFE WHEN I REMEMBERED MUST HAVE BEEN ANOTHER TIME
IN MY LIFE WHEN I REMEMBERED
EXACTLY WHAT I SAID. IN MY LIFE WHEN I REMEMBERED
EXACTLY WHAT I SAID.
>>[LAUGHTER] EXACTLY WHAT I SAID.
>>[LAUGHTER]
>>IF YOU COULD HELP ME OUT >>[LAUGHTER]
>>IF YOU COULD HELP ME OUT
HERE. >>IF YOU COULD HELP ME OUT
HERE.
>>YOU KNOW WHAT IT IS! HERE.
>>YOU KNOW WHAT IT IS!
>> HE DOES THIS GREAT THING >>YOU KNOW WHAT IT IS!
>> HE DOES THIS GREAT THING
IF YOU REDEAD RATED — >> HE DOES THIS GREAT THING
IF YOU REDEAD RATED —
REDEDICATED — IF YOU REDEAD RATED —
REDEDICATED —
>>SORT OF THE IDEA THAT THE REDEDICATED —
>>SORT OF THE IDEA THAT THE
HISTORY — THAT REALLY GOOD, >>SORT OF THE IDEA THAT THE
HISTORY — THAT REALLY GOOD,
RESPONSIBLE HISTORY IS HISTORY — THAT REALLY GOOD,
RESPONSIBLE HISTORY IS
PARTIALLY ABOUT TELLING US RESPONSIBLE HISTORY IS
PARTIALLY ABOUT TELLING US
WHAT WE CAN RECOVER, WHAT WE PARTIALLY ABOUT TELLING US
WHAT WE CAN RECOVER, WHAT WE
CAN REMEMBER, BUT ALSO, WHAT WE CAN RECOVER, WHAT WE
CAN REMEMBER, BUT ALSO,
RESPONSIBLE HISTORY ADMITS CAN REMEMBER, BUT ALSO,
RESPONSIBLE HISTORY ADMITS
WHAT IS LOST FOREVER. RESPONSIBLE HISTORY ADMITS
WHAT IS LOST FOREVER.
AND THAT — SO HISTORY HAS A WHAT IS LOST FOREVER.
AND THAT — SO HISTORY HAS A
WAY OF US BOTH BELIEVING THAT AND THAT — SO HISTORY HAS A
WAY OF US BOTH BELIEVING THAT
THE PAST CAN BE RETURNED AND WAY OF US BOTH BELIEVING THAT
THE PAST CAN BE RETURNED AND
ALSO, A WAY OF US CONFRONTING THE PAST CAN BE RETURNED AND
ALSO, A WAY OF US CONFRONTING
THE FACT THAT THINGS DIE AND ALSO, A WAY OF US CONFRONTING
THE FACT THAT THINGS DIE AND
GO AWAY AND THAT WE’LL NEVER THE FACT THAT THINGS DIE AND
GO AWAY AND THAT WE’LL NEVER
KNOW WITH CERTAINTY — GO AWAY AND THAT WE’LL NEVER
KNOW WITH CERTAINTY —
>>IMAGINATION FILLS IN. KNOW WITH CERTAINTY —
>>IMAGINATION FILLS IN.
FILLS IN THE BLANKS. >>IMAGINATION FILLS IN.
FILLS IN THE BLANKS.
AND THAT’S THE COMBINATION OF FILLS IN THE BLANKS.
AND THAT’S THE COMBINATION OF
ART AND — AND THAT’S THE COMBINATION OF
ART AND —
>>I’M SAY, IT’S WHAT THE ART AND —
>>I’M SAY, IT’S WHAT THE
HISTORIANS CANNOT AFFORD TO >>I’M SAY, IT’S WHAT THE
HISTORIANS CANNOT AFFORD TO
DO. HISTORIANS CANNOT AFFORD TO
DO.
YOU CANNOT BE AN HISTORIAN, A DO.
YOU CANNOT BE AN HISTORIAN, A
CIVIL WAR LINCOLN SCHOLAR AND YOU CANNOT BE AN HISTORIAN, A
CIVIL WAR LINCOLN SCHOLAR AND
USE YOUR IMAGINATION. CIVIL WAR LINCOLN SCHOLAR AND
USE YOUR IMAGINATION.
>>IT’S SO ANNOYING. USE YOUR IMAGINATION.
>>IT’S SO ANNOYING.
I MEAN, I SORT OF KNOW — >>IT’S SO ANNOYING.
I MEAN, I SORT OF KNOW —
IT’S TRUE. I MEAN, I SORT OF KNOW —
IT’S TRUE.
I KNOW WHAT MY GUYS WERE IT’S TRUE.
I KNOW WHAT MY GUYS WERE
THINKING SOMETIMES. I KNOW WHAT MY GUYS WERE
THINKING SOMETIMES.
I JUST KNOW WHAT THEY’RE THINKING SOMETIMES.
I JUST KNOW WHAT THEY’RE
FEELING, AND PHI DON’T HAVE A I JUST KNOW WHAT THEY’RE
FEELING, AND PHI DON’T HAVE A
DIARY OR SOME EVIDENCE OF IT, FEELING, AND PHI DON’T HAVE A
DIARY OR SOME EVIDENCE OF IT,
I CAN’T GO OVER THAT LINE. DIARY OR SOME EVIDENCE OF IT,
I CAN’T GO OVER THAT LINE.
YOU GUYS CAN. I CAN’T GO OVER THAT LINE.
YOU GUYS CAN.
I’M JEALOUS. YOU GUYS CAN.
I’M JEALOUS.
>>[LAUGHTER] I’M JEALOUS.
>>[LAUGHTER]
>>ANOTHER QUESTION, IS IT >>[LAUGHTER]
>>ANOTHER QUESTION, IS IT
TRUE YOU STARTED BEING >>ANOTHER QUESTION, IS IT
TRUE YOU STARTED BEING
INTERESTED, SPEAKING OF THE TRUE YOU STARTED BEING
INTERESTED, SPEAKING OF THE
KNIFE THAT YOU LOST, IN MOVIE INTERESTED, SPEAKING OF THE
KNIFE THAT YOU LOST, IN MOVIE
MAKING, WHEN YOU WERE A BOY KNIFE THAT YOU LOST, IN MOVIE
MAKING, WHEN YOU WERE A BOY
WORKING ON A MERIT BADGE FOR MAKING, WHEN YOU WERE A BOY
WORKING ON A MERIT BADGE FOR
THE BOY SCOUTS ON MAKING A WORKING ON A MERIT BADGE FOR
THE BOY SCOUTS ON MAKING A
FILM? THE BOY SCOUTS ON MAKING A
FILM?
>>YEAH, I DID. FILM?
>>YEAH, I DID.
I WAS GOING OUT FOR THE >>YEAH, I DID.
I WAS GOING OUT FOR THE
PHOTOGRAPHY MERIT BADGE WHICH I WAS GOING OUT FOR THE
PHOTOGRAPHY MERIT BADGE WHICH
THEY WERE OFFERING IN THE PHOTOGRAPHY MERIT BADGE WHICH
THEY WERE OFFERING IN THE
EARLY ’50S — I FORGOT WHEN I THEY WERE OFFERING IN THE
EARLY ’50S — I FORGOT WHEN I
WAS A BOY SCOUT, BUT I WAS AN EARLY ’50S — I FORGOT WHEN I
WAS A BOY SCOUT, BUT I WAS AN
EAGLE SCOUT, WENT THROUGH THE WAS A BOY SCOUT, BUT I WAS AN
EAGLE SCOUT, WENT THROUGH THE
WHOLE PROGRAM, AND — EAGLE SCOUT, WENT THROUGH THE
WHOLE PROGRAM, AND —
>>[APPLAUSE] WHOLE PROGRAM, AND —
>>[APPLAUSE]
>>THANK YOU. >>[APPLAUSE]
>>THANK YOU.
AND I DID WANT TO GET THE >>THANK YOU.
AND I DID WANT TO GET THE
PHOTOGRAPHY MERIT BADGE AND AND I DID WANT TO GET THE
PHOTOGRAPHY MERIT BADGE AND
THERE WAS A PART IN THE HAND PHOTOGRAPHY MERIT BADGE AND
THERE WAS A PART IN THE HAND
BOOK THAT SAYS YOU HAVE TO THERE WAS A PART IN THE HAND
BOOK THAT SAYS YOU HAVE TO
TELL A STORY WITH STILL BOOK THAT SAYS YOU HAVE TO
TELL A STORY WITH STILL
PHOTOGRAPHS AND I WENT HOME TELL A STORY WITH STILL
PHOTOGRAPHS AND I WENT HOME
TO GET MY DAD’S CAMERA AND MY PHOTOGRAPHS AND I WENT HOME
TO GET MY DAD’S CAMERA AND MY
DAD SAID IT WAS BROKEN, IT TO GET MY DAD’S CAMERA AND MY
DAD SAID IT WAS BROKEN, IT
WAS OUT IN THE REPAIR SHOP DAD SAID IT WAS BROKEN, IT
WAS OUT IN THE REPAIR SHOP
GETTING FIXED AND I WANTED WAS OUT IN THE REPAIR SHOP
GETTING FIXED AND I WANTED
THE MERIT BADGE NOW, I DIDN’T GETTING FIXED AND I WANTED
THE MERIT BADGE NOW, I DIDN’T
WANT TO WAIT, SO WE HAD AN THE MERIT BADGE NOW, I DIDN’T
WANT TO WAIT, SO WE HAD AN
8-MILLIMETER HOME MOVIE WANT TO WAIT, SO WE HAD AN
8-MILLIMETER HOME MOVIE
CAMERA, KODAK MOVIE CAMERA 8-MILLIMETER HOME MOVIE
CAMERA, KODAK MOVIE CAMERA
AND I WENT TO THE SCOUT MAST CAMERA, KODAK MOVIE CAMERA
AND I WENT TO THE SCOUT MAST
HE AND SAID WHAT IF I TOLD AND I WENT TO THE SCOUT MAST
HE AND SAID WHAT IF I TOLD
THE STORY WITH THE HE AND SAID WHAT IF I TOLD
THE STORY WITH THE
8-MILLIMETER MOVIE CAMERA, THE STORY WITH THE
8-MILLIMETER MOVIE CAMERA,
CAN I STILL GET THE MERIT 8-MILLIMETER MOVIE CAMERA,
CAN I STILL GET THE MERIT
BADGE AND HE AHEAD GO AHEAD. CAN I STILL GET THE MERIT
BADGE AND HE AHEAD GO AHEAD.
HAD HE IN ORDER TOLD ME IT BADGE AND HE AHEAD GO AHEAD.
HAD HE IN ORDER TOLD ME IT
WAS OKAY TO USE THE MOVIE HAD HE IN ORDER TOLD ME IT
WAS OKAY TO USE THE MOVIE
CAMERA, I DON’T KNOW WHAT WAS OKAY TO USE THE MOVIE
CAMERA, I DON’T KNOW WHAT
WOULD HAVE BECOME OF ME! CAMERA, I DON’T KNOW WHAT
WOULD HAVE BECOME OF ME!
BUT HE RELEASED ME TO MAKE WOULD HAVE BECOME OF ME!
BUT HE RELEASED ME TO MAKE
THE FILM MOVIE. BUT HE RELEASED ME TO MAKE
THE FILM MOVIE.
I TOOK ALL MY FRIENDS OUT TO THE FILM MOVIE.
I TOOK ALL MY FRIENDS OUT TO
THE DESERT — I WAS RAISED IN I TOOK ALL MY FRIENDS OUT TO
THE DESERT — I WAS RAISED IN
ARIZONA, PHOENIX, ARIZONA, THE DESERT — I WAS RAISED IN
ARIZONA, PHOENIX, ARIZONA,
WHICH IS A GREAT WESTERN ARIZONA, PHOENIX, ARIZONA,
WHICH IS A GREAT WESTERN
COWBOY COUNTRY, AND MADE THIS WHICH IS A GREAT WESTERN
COWBOY COUNTRY, AND MADE THIS
MOVIE, CALLED GUN SMOG. COWBOY COUNTRY, AND MADE THIS
MOVIE, CALLED GUN SMOG.
>>[LAUGHTER] MOVIE, CALLED GUN SMOG.
>>[LAUGHTER]
>>THREE MINUTES LONG, NO >>[LAUGHTER]
>>THREE MINUTES LONG, NO
EDITING EQUIPMENT. >>THREE MINUTES LONG, NO
EDITING EQUIPMENT.
I CUT THE WHOLE THING IN THE EDITING EQUIPMENT.
I CUT THE WHOLE THING IN THE
CAMERA, A SHOT OF THE GOOD I CUT THE WHOLE THING IN THE
CAMERA, A SHOT OF THE GOOD
GUY FIRING HIS GUN, STOPPED CAMERA, A SHOT OF THE GOOD
GUY FIRING HIS GUN, STOPPED
THE CAMERA, SHOT OF THE BAD GUY FIRING HIS GUN, STOPPED
THE CAMERA, SHOT OF THE BAD
GUY FIRING HIS GUN, STOP THE THE CAMERA, SHOT OF THE BAD
GUY FIRING HIS GUN, STOP THE
CAMERA, RUN BACK 20 YARDS, GUY FIRING HIS GUN, STOP THE
CAMERA, RUN BACK 20 YARDS,
GOT THEM BOTH IN THE SHOT, CAMERA, RUN BACK 20 YARDS,
GOT THEM BOTH IN THE SHOT,
THEY BOTH FALL DEAD. GOT THEM BOTH IN THE SHOT,
THEY BOTH FALL DEAD.
THAT’S IT. THEY BOTH FALL DEAD.
THAT’S IT.
TOOK THE FILM, SHOWED IT TO THAT’S IT.
TOOK THE FILM, SHOWED IT TO
THE ENTIRE TROOP, BECAUSE WE TOOK THE FILM, SHOWED IT TO
THE ENTIRE TROOP, BECAUSE WE
HAD OUR TROOP MEETINGS ON THE ENTIRE TROOP, BECAUSE WE
HAD OUR TROOP MEETINGS ON
FRIDAY NIGHTS, DEVOTED TO ALL HAD OUR TROOP MEETINGS ON
FRIDAY NIGHTS, DEVOTED TO ALL
— SHOWED IT TO ALL 60 BOY FRIDAY NIGHTS, DEVOTED TO ALL
— SHOWED IT TO ALL 60 BOY
SCOUTS AND THEY APHRAU — SHOWED IT TO ALL 60 BOY
SCOUTS AND THEY APHRAU
DOLLARS, THEY LAUGHED AND SCOUTS AND THEY APHRAU
DOLLARS, THEY LAUGHED AND
THAT WAS THE END OF ME AS A DOLLARS, THEY LAUGHED AND
THAT WAS THE END OF ME AS A
CIVILIAN. THAT WAS THE END OF ME AS A
CIVILIAN.
>>[LAUGHTER] CIVILIAN.
>>[LAUGHTER]
>>THAT WAS THE END OF THAT. >>[LAUGHTER]
>>THAT WAS THE END OF THAT.
THAT’S TRUE. >>THAT WAS THE END OF THAT.
THAT’S TRUE.
>>WHAT IS ONE STORY FROM THE THAT’S TRUE.
>>WHAT IS ONE STORY FROM THE
LINCOLN SET THAT YOU WILL >>WHAT IS ONE STORY FROM THE
LINCOLN SET THAT YOU WILL
TELL PEOPLE FOR THE REST OF LINCOLN SET THAT YOU WILL
TELL PEOPLE FOR THE REST OF
YOUR LIFE? TELL PEOPLE FOR THE REST OF
YOUR LIFE?
IS THERE ANYTHING FROM THE YOUR LIFE?
IS THERE ANYTHING FROM THE
PROCESS, DORIS, THE WHOLE IS THERE ANYTHING FROM THE
PROCESS, DORIS, THE WHOLE
PROCESS THAT YOU CHERISH OR PROCESS, DORIS, THE WHOLE
PROCESS THAT YOU CHERISH OR
REMEMBER? PROCESS THAT YOU CHERISH OR
REMEMBER?
>>I THINK WHAT I’VE WATCHED REMEMBER?
>>I THINK WHAT I’VE WATCHED
HAPPEN — WRITING ITSELF IS A >>I THINK WHAT I’VE WATCHED
HAPPEN — WRITING ITSELF IS A
MORE SOLITARY EXPERIENCE, AND HAPPEN — WRITING ITSELF IS A
MORE SOLITARY EXPERIENCE, AND
I’M LUCKY THAT MY HUSBAND IS MORE SOLITARY EXPERIENCE, AND
I’M LUCKY THAT MY HUSBAND IS
ALSO A WRITER SO WE CAN BOTH I’M LUCKY THAT MY HUSBAND IS
ALSO A WRITER SO WE CAN BOTH
BE WRITING IN VARIOUS PARTS ALSO A WRITER SO WE CAN BOTH
BE WRITING IN VARIOUS PARTS
OF THE HOUSE. BE WRITING IN VARIOUS PARTS
OF THE HOUSE.
BUT WHAT I SEE HAPPENING WITH OF THE HOUSE.
BUT WHAT I SEE HAPPENING WITH
THE MOVIE MAKING EXPERIENCE BUT WHAT I SEE HAPPENING WITH
THE MOVIE MAKING EXPERIENCE
IS HOW COLLABORATIVE IT IS. THE MOVIE MAKING EXPERIENCE
IS HOW COLLABORATIVE IT IS.
AND TO HAVE BEEN A PART OF A IS HOW COLLABORATIVE IT IS.
AND TO HAVE BEEN A PART OF A
TEAM AND TO HAVE HAD TONY AND AND TO HAVE BEEN A PART OF A
TEAM AND TO HAVE HAD TONY AND
STEVEN AND DANIEL AND CHRISTY TEAM AND TO HAVE HAD TONY AND
STEVEN AND DANIEL AND CHRISTY
ALLOW ME TO BE PART OF IT, IT STEVEN AND DANIEL AND CHRISTY
ALLOW ME TO BE PART OF IT, IT
MADE ME REALIZE I WASN’T ALLOW ME TO BE PART OF IT, IT
MADE ME REALIZE I WASN’T
TEASING TOTALLY WHEN I SAID MADE ME REALIZE I WASN’T
TEASING TOTALLY WHEN I SAID
JEALOUS, BECAUSE THERE’S TEASING TOTALLY WHEN I SAID
JEALOUS, BECAUSE THERE’S
SOMETHING ABOUT THAT GROUP JEALOUS, BECAUSE THERE’S
SOMETHING ABOUT THAT GROUP
EXPERIENCE. SOMETHING ABOUT THAT GROUP
EXPERIENCE.
I MEAN, MY PERSONALITY IS EXPERIENCE.
I MEAN, MY PERSONALITY IS
MUCH MORE SUITED FOR THAT I MEAN, MY PERSONALITY IS
MUCH MORE SUITED FOR THAT
THAN — I NEVER WOULD HAVE MUCH MORE SUITED FOR THAT
THAN — I NEVER WOULD HAVE
IMAGINED MYSELF A WRITER, TO THAN — I NEVER WOULD HAVE
IMAGINED MYSELF A WRITER, TO
GO BACK TO THE QUESTION. IMAGINED MYSELF A WRITER, TO
GO BACK TO THE QUESTION.
I TOO MUCH WANT TO BE WITH GO BACK TO THE QUESTION.
I TOO MUCH WANT TO BE WITH
PEOPLE ALL THE TIME BUT I SIT I TOO MUCH WANT TO BE WITH
PEOPLE ALL THE TIME BUT I SIT
THERE BY MYSELF BECAUSE MY PEOPLE ALL THE TIME BUT I SIT
THERE BY MYSELF BECAUSE MY
HUSBAND IS IN THE OTHER ROOM THERE BY MYSELF BECAUSE MY
HUSBAND IS IN THE OTHER ROOM
SITTING BY MYSELF, BUT THAT’S HUSBAND IS IN THE OTHER ROOM
SITTING BY MYSELF, BUT THAT’S
WHAT I WILL TREASURE, THE SITTING BY MYSELF, BUT THAT’S
WHAT I WILL TREASURE, THE
FACT THAT I WAS ABLE TO BE WHAT I WILL TREASURE, THE
FACT THAT I WAS ABLE TO BE
PART OF SOMETHING THAT FACT THAT I WAS ABLE TO BE
PART OF SOMETHING THAT
PRODUCED SOMETHING THAT I PART OF SOMETHING THAT
PRODUCED SOMETHING THAT I
COULD HAVE NEVER PRODUCED PRODUCED SOMETHING THAT I
COULD HAVE NEVER PRODUCED
ALONE, AND THAT’S AN COULD HAVE NEVER PRODUCED
ALONE, AND THAT’S AN
INCREDIBLE FEELING, AND ALONE, AND THAT’S AN
INCREDIBLE FEELING, AND
THAT’S WHAT — IF I WANT TO INCREDIBLE FEELING, AND
THAT’S WHAT — IF I WANT TO
GET MAUDLIN NOW, THAT’S WHAT THAT’S WHAT — IF I WANT TO
GET MAUDLIN NOW, THAT’S WHAT
THE FILM WAS ABOUT. GET MAUDLIN NOW, THAT’S WHAT
THE FILM WAS ABOUT.
IN A CERTAIN SENSE, LINCOLN THE FILM WAS ABOUT.
IN A CERTAIN SENSE, LINCOLN
WAS ABLE TO MAKE THESE PEOPLE IN A CERTAIN SENSE, LINCOLN
WAS ABLE TO MAKE THESE PEOPLE
DO SOMETHING THAT THEY WAS ABLE TO MAKE THESE PEOPLE
DO SOMETHING THAT THEY
COULDN’T DO INDIVIDUALLY. DO SOMETHING THAT THEY
COULDN’T DO INDIVIDUALLY.
THAT’S THE MYSTERY OF COULDN’T DO INDIVIDUALLY.
THAT’S THE MYSTERY OF
LEADERSHIP. THAT’S THE MYSTERY OF
LEADERSHIP.
AND THEY PERFORMED TOGETHER LEADERSHIP.
AND THEY PERFORMED TOGETHER
AND THE COUNTRY WITH PERFORM AND THEY PERFORMED TOGETHER
AND THE COUNTRY WITH PERFORM
— CAN PERFORM TOGETHER AND AND THE COUNTRY WITH PERFORM
— CAN PERFORM TOGETHER AND
FOR GOD’S SAKE, IF THERE IS — CAN PERFORM TOGETHER AND
FOR GOD’S SAKE, IF THERE IS
ANYTHING THAT CAN BE A SYMBOL FOR GOD’S SAKE, IF THERE IS
ANYTHING THAT CAN BE A SYMBOL
TO THE FUTURE IS WE’VE GOT TO ANYTHING THAT CAN BE A SYMBOL
TO THE FUTURE IS WE’VE GOT TO
DO IT AGAIN. TO THE FUTURE IS WE’VE GOT TO
DO IT AGAIN.
>>[APPLAUSE] DO IT AGAIN.
>>[APPLAUSE]
>>TONY, ANYTHING FROM YOUR >>[APPLAUSE]
>>TONY, ANYTHING FROM YOUR
RESEARCH THAT YOU CAN LAY OUT >>TONY, ANYTHING FROM YOUR
RESEARCH THAT YOU CAN LAY OUT
AS ADVICE FOR TODAY’S RESEARCH THAT YOU CAN LAY OUT
AS ADVICE FOR TODAY’S
POLITICIANS? AS ADVICE FOR TODAY’S
POLITICIANS?
>>CAN I TELL MY STORY FROM POLITICIANS?
>>CAN I TELL MY STORY FROM
THE SET? >>CAN I TELL MY STORY FROM
THE SET?
>>[LAUGHTER] THE SET?
>>[LAUGHTER]
>>FOR ME, THE THING THAT I >>[LAUGHTER]
>>FOR ME, THE THING THAT I
— I WAS THERE THE WHOLE >>FOR ME, THE THING THAT I
— I WAS THERE THE WHOLE
TIME, BUT I DIDN’T TALK TO — I WAS THERE THE WHOLE
TIME, BUT I DIDN’T TALK TO
DANIEL, BECAUSE I WAS THE TIME, BUT I DIDN’T TALK TO
DANIEL, BECAUSE I WAS THE
WRITER, AND YOU KNOW, WE DANIEL, BECAUSE I WAS THE
WRITER, AND YOU KNOW, WE
TEXTED WITH ONE ANOTHER AND I WRITER, AND YOU KNOW, WE
TEXTED WITH ONE ANOTHER AND I
CALLED MYSELF YOUR META TEXTED WITH ONE ANOTHER AND I
CALLED MYSELF YOUR META
PHYSICAL CONUNDRUM BECAUSE I CALLED MYSELF YOUR META
PHYSICAL CONUNDRUM BECAUSE I
SHOULDN’T HAVE EXISTED, AND I PHYSICAL CONUNDRUM BECAUSE I
SHOULDN’T HAVE EXISTED, AND I
TRIED MOSTLY TO STAY OUT OF SHOULDN’T HAVE EXISTED, AND I
TRIED MOSTLY TO STAY OUT OF
HIS WAY DURING THE FILMING. TRIED MOSTLY TO STAY OUT OF
HIS WAY DURING THE FILMING.
WE WORKED REALLY CLOSELY FOR HIS WAY DURING THE FILMING.
WE WORKED REALLY CLOSELY FOR
THE WEEK BEFORE, BUT THEN WE WE WORKED REALLY CLOSELY FOR
THE WEEK BEFORE, BUT THEN WE
SORT OF AGREED THAT I WOULD THE WEEK BEFORE, BUT THEN WE
SORT OF AGREED THAT I WOULD
NOT, YOU KNOW — WE PUT A SORT OF AGREED THAT I WOULD
NOT, YOU KNOW — WE PUT A
TEXT THAT I WOULDN’T LIKE GO NOT, YOU KNOW — WE PUT A
TEXT THAT I WOULDN’T LIKE GO
UP TO HIM AND WHEN WE WERE TEXT THAT I WOULDN’T LIKE GO
UP TO HIM AND WHEN WE WERE
FILMING IN PETERSBURG ONE UP TO HIM AND WHEN WE WERE
FILMING IN PETERSBURG ONE
DAY, IT’S HARD TO DESCRIBE, FILMING IN PETERSBURG ONE
DAY, IT’S HARD TO DESCRIBE,
BUT I WAS WALKING’ THE STREET DAY, IT’S HARD TO DESCRIBE,
BUT I WAS WALKING’ THE STREET
AND THERE WERE ALL THESE GUYS BUT I WAS WALKING’ THE STREET
AND THERE WERE ALL THESE GUYS
STANDING AROUND, PLAYING AND THERE WERE ALL THESE GUYS
STANDING AROUND, PLAYING
UNION SOLDIERS, AND THEY WERE STANDING AROUND, PLAYING
UNION SOLDIERS, AND THEY WERE
SORT OF LINING THE STREET AND UNION SOLDIERS, AND THEY WERE
SORT OF LINING THE STREET AND
I WAS WALKING UP THE STREET SORT OF LINING THE STREET AND
I WAS WALKING UP THE STREET
WITH MY CUP OF COFFEE AND I WAS WALKING UP THE STREET
WITH MY CUP OF COFFEE AND
DANIEL TURNED THE CORNER, WITH MY CUP OF COFFEE AND
DANIEL TURNED THE CORNER,
DRESSED AS ABRAHAM LINCOLN, DANIEL TURNED THE CORNER,
DRESSED AS ABRAHAM LINCOLN,
COMING AT ME AND I HAD TO DRESSED AS ABRAHAM LINCOLN,
COMING AT ME AND I HAD TO
HIDE, SO I DUCKED BEHIND ONE COMING AT ME AND I HAD TO
HIDE, SO I DUCKED BEHIND ONE
OF THE EXTRAS, THIS KID, AND HIDE, SO I DUCKED BEHIND ONE
OF THE EXTRAS, THIS KID, AND
I SORT OF DUCKED DOWN, AND HE OF THE EXTRAS, THIS KID, AND
I SORT OF DUCKED DOWN, AND HE
TURNED AROUND AND SAID WHAT’S I SORT OF DUCKED DOWN, AND HE
TURNED AROUND AND SAID WHAT’S
WRONG, AND I SAID TURN TURNED AROUND AND SAID WHAT’S
WRONG, AND I SAID TURN
AROUND, TURN AROUND, FACE WRONG, AND I SAID TURN
AROUND, TURN AROUND, FACE
FORWARD, AND HE SAID WELL, AROUND, TURN AROUND, FACE
FORWARD, AND HE SAID WELL,
WHY, WHAT DID YOU — WHAT DID FORWARD, AND HE SAID WELL,
WHY, WHAT DID YOU — WHAT DID
YOU DO, WHAT’S WRONG? WHY, WHAT DID YOU — WHAT DID
YOU DO, WHAT’S WRONG?
>>I SAID I DON’T WANT TO BE YOU DO, WHAT’S WRONG?
>>I SAID I DON’T WANT TO BE
SEEN. >>I SAID I DON’T WANT TO BE
SEEN.
I CAN’T BE SEEN BY THE SEEN.
I CAN’T BE SEEN BY THE
PRESIDENT. I CAN’T BE SEEN BY THE
PRESIDENT.
>>HE SAID WHY, WHAT DID YOU PRESIDENT.
>>HE SAID WHY, WHAT DID YOU
DO? >>HE SAID WHY, WHAT DID YOU
DO?
>>I SAID I WROTE THE SCRIPT. DO?
>>I SAID I WROTE THE SCRIPT.
>>[LAUGHTER] >>I SAID I WROTE THE SCRIPT.
>>[LAUGHTER]
>>I THINK OF THE MOMENT THAT >>[LAUGHTER]
>>I THINK OF THE MOMENT THAT
I WOULD LIKE TO SEE REPEATED >>I THINK OF THE MOMENT THAT
I WOULD LIKE TO SEE REPEATED
AND I THINK I HAVE SEEN IT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE REPEATED
AND I THINK I HAVE SEEN IT
REPEATED, IT’S ALSO ONE OF MY AND I THINK I HAVE SEEN IT
REPEATED, IT’S ALSO ONE OF MY
FAVORITE MOMENTS, IS MICHAEL REPEATED, IT’S ALSO ONE OF MY
FAVORITE MOMENTS, IS MICHAEL
STULBACH, WHO — THE GORGEOUS FAVORITE MOMENTS, IS MICHAEL
STULBACH, WHO — THE GORGEOUS
THING HE DOES, HE STARTS STULBACH, WHO — THE GORGEOUS
THING HE DOES, HE STARTS
TALKING TO HIMSELF BEFORE HE THING HE DOES, HE STARTS
TALKING TO HIMSELF BEFORE HE
TELLS AYE, AND THEN THAT TALKING TO HIMSELF BEFORE HE
TELLS AYE, AND THEN THAT
MOMENT, WHEN THEY’RE ALL TELLS AYE, AND THEN THAT
MOMENT, WHEN THEY’RE ALL
SINGING THE BATTLE CRY OF MOMENT, WHEN THEY’RE ALL
SINGING THE BATTLE CRY OF
FREEDOM AFTER THE AMENDMENT SINGING THE BATTLE CRY OF
FREEDOM AFTER THE AMENDMENT
PASSES, AND HE SORT OF IS FREEDOM AFTER THE AMENDMENT
PASSES, AND HE SORT OF IS
WALKING AROUND, LOOKING LIKE PASSES, AND HE SORT OF IS
WALKING AROUND, LOOKING LIKE
HE HAS JUST BEEN TRANSPORTED WALKING AROUND, LOOKING LIKE
HE HAS JUST BEEN TRANSPORTED
TO PARADISE OR SOME STRANGE HE HAS JUST BEEN TRANSPORTED
TO PARADISE OR SOME STRANGE
— HE LOOKS COMPLETELY TO PARADISE OR SOME STRANGE
— HE LOOKS COMPLETELY
ASTOUNDED AND DELIGHTED AND — HE LOOKS COMPLETELY
ASTOUNDED AND DELIGHTED AND
YOU GET A GORGEOUS PORTRAIT ASTOUNDED AND DELIGHTED AND
YOU GET A GORGEOUS PORTRAIT
OF SOMEBODY TAKING A DEEP YOU GET A GORGEOUS PORTRAIT
OF SOMEBODY TAKING A DEEP
BREATH AND STEPPING INTO THE OF SOMEBODY TAKING A DEEP
BREATH AND STEPPING INTO THE
UNKNOWN, SURPRISING HIMSELF, BREATH AND STEPPING INTO THE
UNKNOWN, SURPRISING HIMSELF,
LETTING GO, STEVEN, AS YOU UNKNOWN, SURPRISING HIMSELF,
LETTING GO, STEVEN, AS YOU
WERE SAYING, IDEOLOGICAL LETTING GO, STEVEN, AS YOU
WERE SAYING, IDEOLOGICAL
STACKELS AND FOLLOWING THE WERE SAYING, IDEOLOGICAL
STACKELS AND FOLLOWING THE
BETTER ANGEL, HIS NATURE, AND STACKELS AND FOLLOWING THE
BETTER ANGEL, HIS NATURE, AND
DARING BE AFRAID AND IN A NEW BETTER ANGEL, HIS NATURE, AND
DARING BE AFRAID AND IN A NEW
WORLD, IN THE INTEREST OF DARING BE AFRAID AND IN A NEW
WORLD, IN THE INTEREST OF
JUSTICE. WORLD, IN THE INTEREST OF
JUSTICE.
AND ADVANCING HUMAN DIGNITY. JUSTICE.
AND ADVANCING HUMAN DIGNITY.
I THINK THAT’S A LOVELY AND ADVANCING HUMAN DIGNITY.
I THINK THAT’S A LOVELY
MOMENT, AND I DON’T THINK I THINK THAT’S A LOVELY
MOMENT, AND I DON’T THINK
IT’S SENTIMENTAL. MOMENT, AND I DON’T THINK
IT’S SENTIMENTAL.
I THINK THAT IN OUR COUNTRY’S IT’S SENTIMENTAL.
I THINK THAT IN OUR COUNTRY’S
HISTORY, PEOPLE HAVE DONE I THINK THAT IN OUR COUNTRY’S
HISTORY, PEOPLE HAVE DONE
THAT OVER AND OVER AGAIN, HISTORY, PEOPLE HAVE DONE
THAT OVER AND OVER AGAIN,
THEY’VE SURPRISED THEMSELVES, THAT OVER AND OVER AGAIN,
THEY’VE SURPRISED THEMSELVES,
THEY’VE SURRENDERED PRIVILEGE THEY’VE SURPRISED THEMSELVES,
THEY’VE SURRENDERED PRIVILEGE
IN THE NAME OF FAIRNESS AND THEY’VE SURRENDERED PRIVILEGE
IN THE NAME OF FAIRNESS AND
DECENCY AND DEMOCRACY, AND I IN THE NAME OF FAIRNESS AND
DECENCY AND DEMOCRACY, AND I
THINK THAT THAT’S ONE OF MY DECENCY AND DEMOCRACY, AND I
THINK THAT THAT’S ONE OF MY
FAVORITE MOMENTS IN THE MOVIE THINK THAT THAT’S ONE OF MY
FAVORITE MOMENTS IN THE MOVIE
AND SOMETHING THAT I’D LIKE FAVORITE MOMENTS IN THE MOVIE
AND SOMETHING THAT I’D LIKE
TO SEE REPEATED MORE. AND SOMETHING THAT I’D LIKE
TO SEE REPEATED MORE.
>>[APPLAUSE] TO SEE REPEATED MORE.
>>[APPLAUSE]
>>OKAY. >>[APPLAUSE]
>>OKAY.
AND THIS IS THE LAST QUESTION >>OKAY.
AND THIS IS THE LAST QUESTION
I HAVE HERE, IT SAYS WHEN AND THIS IS THE LAST QUESTION
I HAVE HERE, IT SAYS WHEN
YOU’RE PICKING UP YOUR I HAVE HERE, IT SAYS WHEN
YOU’RE PICKING UP YOUR
WELL-DESERVED GOLDEN GLOBE YOU’RE PICKING UP YOUR
WELL-DESERVED GOLDEN GLOBE
AND OSCARS, HOW ABOUT A SHOUT WELL-DESERVED GOLDEN GLOBE
AND OSCARS, HOW ABOUT A SHOUT
OUT TO OUR FRIENDS IN AND OSCARS, HOW ABOUT A SHOUT
OUT TO OUR FRIENDS IN
RICHMOND! OUT TO OUR FRIENDS IN
RICHMOND!
>> [APPLAUSE] RICHMOND!
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