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republican lawmakers in illinois are
also launching this republican war against women now they’re trying to pass
legislation that would force them into use look an ultrasound if they want to
get an abortion and also it would make it nearly impossible to meet these uh…
safety requirements at the abortion facilities uh… you know that the pain
has to be a certain color of the width of the doorway teeth to be a certain way
just crazy requirements that make absolutely no sense they just like shut
down all the facilities outlaw anyway there’s a democratic representative in
illinois bending with kelly cassidy and she wants to respond to all of these
republican lawmakers with an amendment to the bills right and the amended would
basically up call for uh… all those who want to get by agra to look at a video that tells them about
our potential side effects before they get prescribe backtrack now she sees this as a way to kind of
like again strikes back you know tried at teach these republicans a lesson
except i can’t even anything that people would care less about than watching
video on the side effects before getting the prescription i hear you so i’d like to do you want
separate because in this horrible bill the in illinois which is why we’re
called one of the bills is called the
ultrasound opportunity what is not only to give you an
opportunity to do an officer there is a one way you get out of it and that is if you sign a statement
documenting reasons for refusing the whole process record a so very invasive getting into your
private life and tell me why you wanna know persona satirist right i would you like wise with fire i would say i’d need you to sign a
document tommy what’s wrong with your day months okay that does sound harsh but you’re
absolutely right about that because there’s no stigma attached to getting up
lewbel explana like oh yeah i think i can get it up it’s not a big deal he
just did some by agra but when it comes to abortion there’s huge statement to
that so it’s a way of intimidating women making them feel thirty making them feel
bad about it make and i’m watching video about the side-effects doesn’t make them
feel battered guilty rat works yet the so that’s what i want to be one step
further and so the few in my gay life or death situation for the woman but she’s
still got a lot of one man tells why should that come in so if you want to
buy address which is certainly not a light heard a situation wesleyan to do what it was a very simple
tell me what’s wrong with your bank birthday new and we think all of that
right than any of the california and sarah somebody chartres okay of what is the judge and the proms you
have with your peeps motivational spread that without declined general storyline
buffer that bill i think people should really
fill that out with before you left course not right and is there anyone
with a buyer of course not right but there’s also a nothing that would be
available to us at and apparently for guys who just can’t figure out what it feels like for a
woman at all like they don’t care is not their concern they have made women do whatever they
want with their bodies whatever the guys want with their bodies and it’s not as the service well let’s make it a little personal so
you understand the personal things that they have a
good to hear and you know so that you get a sense of of what they have to go through that
salaams try to make it fair i think that that speaks volumes as
opposed to the video that she is proposing to she comes from a great
place bile and one other thing that i want to
know these bills were introduced by the illinois house agriculture committee and
then just post a focus on life supplies are conforming issues bringing up abortion well we do know why of course and that’s
because uh… the agriculture committee in
illinois have risen to the most conservative one it’s like a bunch of
uh… white one of the mails plus uh… kelly has to have severe listed
them words of fascinate committed if you dont
right and uh… and i love the review rallies
our springfield uh… with signs that say women are not
livestock okay so get out of our businesses and
called the committee does crazy they view legislation on guns on tues
all these random things that have nothing to with taps right and why
drizzle here on weekend it’s not technically illegal so rich and all over a bill so this
agriculture committee were there any do with it or not nightline up by a turbo fan

100 Comments

  • upabittoolate

    Toi, where are you now? You wanted to tax strippers to generate revenue "for the grater good". It's now time to fight the morons you have for peers. Do THAT for the greater good.

  • SixPack Shakur (Rep5281)

    @TheCarambah I can drone endlessly about whatever I please in the same way you can use made up words and look like a moron.

  • doublecrosserfm

    @Yaarrr OH MY FUCK. So terminating your own child due to an unwanted pregnancy is equal stigma to not being able to get hard? How sensitive and pathetic are you. idiot.

  • Chaoitcme

    @Yaarrr I do not see any stigma with taking Viagra. There is a huge stigma with abortion due to the fact that many groups of people classify it as murder. What stigma is there with being impotent?

  • gev2323

    @TheCarambah Thing they are informed. That's why they want to have an abortion. They know they are pregnant. They know they can't go through with the pregnancy. They don't need someone shaming them about an already VERY tough decision. Women aren't stupid. They know what it means to be pregnant. A ultrasound doesn't inform anyone of anything.

  • gev2323

    @TheCarambah Some may. But some also may not appreciate seeing the ultrasound. Having a child in a hospital can cost up to 10k. That doesn't include situations where the mother has to stay in the hospital for several days, special procedures, time off of work, c-section recovery time, medication for pain or postpartum depression etc. If a woman cant afford it, abortion is the best and most logical choice.

  • gev2323

    @gev2323 Then there are episiotomies (slicing from vagina to anus) which may lead to permanent incontinence in some cases which will also need medical maintenance.

  • Z'Q

    @ActaNonVerba71 She's the one that has to carry it around

    A guy just has to stick it in her and cum

    She has to carry it for 9 months with all of the discomfort, lost opportunities and potential health complications that can cause.

  • gev2323

    @TheCarambah I don't think it's good. A woman who feels shamed into not getting an abortion might not be making the best decision for herself. And episiotomies are not loosely connected – they are a direct result of childbirth. Same with PPD, and C-sections (those are very common). I don't think guilting a woman into a choice she didn't want to make isn't going to help anyone.

  • gev2323

    @TheCarambah Very realistic situations is a better term. And your idea of what "informing" means is very demeaning to women. You assume that they can't make decisions without visual aids. That or you want to traumatize people who are already in a bad place in their lives. I do NOT agree that an ultrasound is a way to have a woman make an "informed decision" as you put it. Informing is the very least of what this does. The whole concept is very emotionally damaging.

  • gev2323

    @TheCarambah No they aren't and yes, there are thousands done a day to look for cysts, cancer, or fetuses that a family is eagerly awaiting. There is NO reason to FORCE someone to have an unnecessary procedure they don't want to do. This is about force. This is about making someone feel bad about something they feel they have to do. This is about forcing someone to do what another group of people wants them to do with their bodies. Overdramatizing it? Stop trivializing it.

  • gev2323

    @TheCarambah No they aren't and yes, there are thousands done a day to look for cysts, cancer, or fetuses that a family is eagerly awaiting. There is NO reason to FORCE someone to have an unnecessary procedure they don't want to do. This is about force. This is about making someone feel bad about something they feel they have to do. This is about forcing someone to do what another group of people wants them to do with their bodies. Overdramatizing it? Stop trivializing it.

  • Z'Q

    @ActaNonVerba71 I believe it should be almost totally unilateral

    If a guy knocks a girlfriend up (from now on IAGKAGU) and is breaking up with her then forcing her to carry it to term would destroy her job prospects or chance of higher education

    I don't think any woman gets an abortion to punish men, that's one of the things I hear anti abortion people say and I think it's nuts

    In the 1 in a billion chance it happens then maybe bringing it to a family court and asking fo

    TBC

  • Z'Q

    @ActaNonVerba71 P2 an evaluation or counseling of some kind would be fair and something I wouldnt find abhorrent

    But I really can't picture any woman doing a punitive abortion

    I also don't think guys have a say in it if they break up or divorce the girl/woman

    The problem with giving men veto power over reproductive rights would let religious men say "even though there's a high chance of my wife/child/both dying from complications my religion says they have to risk it so I veto

  • James Stevens

    @gev2323 But that conclusion rests on the presumption that the cells belong to the mother and father. I propose they belong to the person they are making, the fetus, regardless of their origin.

  • Z'Q

    @ActaNonVerba71 P3 Apparently there are guys that wear condoms but slip them off while they're fucking so they can get a better sensation

    If a couple (married or otherwise) is screwing and the guy does that on what he thinks is a safe day but knocks the girlfriend who has no intention of having kids (hence the condom) up do you think the guy should have veto power over the birth?

    If a guys cheating on his wife, she finds out he might divorce her and she gets rid of the zygo TBC

  • Z'Q

    @ActaNonVerba71 P4 te because she doesn't want to risk going poor when they break up should he have veto power?

    Like I said before, the only reason I could see for the state intervening would be if there's a legitimate mental illness or some psychological problem

    Sorry if I rambled

  • Z'Q

    @ActaNonVerba71 It would matter whether they were a couple or not

    If they were divorced/broken up then I don't see any reason whatsoever to tell him

    Only if they're in a committed relationship would I think that a notification would be necessary

    There are other situations like being a victim of rape (I'd be against notification) or if there are serious possible life risking complications (notification after she gets away so he can't keep her past the whatever week deadline)

  • Z'Q

    @ActaNonVerba71 P2 you might think it's abhorrent but there are plenty of guys in videos about abortion that say stuff like "it's in gods hands she has no right to interfere" when talking about life risking birth complications

    I remember some guy saying (elected official!) that he'd be against abortion even if the baby would be stillborn…so she'd have to carry a farking CORPSE to term.

    I don't think nutters like that should be able to have a say in it

  • Z'Q

    @GHZealot Everyone who says that lacks critical thinking skills.

    The people voting in favor of this are old men who probably use viagra, they don't give a shit about women so they have no problem doing stuff like transvaginal ultrasounds and shit like that

    The goal is to make voting for this bill poisonous

    I think it would be better to include something like raising corporate taxes to 99.999%

    That's as ridiculous as some of the other stuff the AGRICULTURE COMMITTEE wants

  • Martin

    @doublecrosserfm Didn't say it was equal, but it's still a stigma. Plus, erectile dysfunction isn't necessarily something you can control, whereas pregnancy is.

  • Z'Q

    @ActaNonVerba71 No it isn't

    If he doesn't want to stay with her he shouldn't have a say because the relationships over

    If she has it he should help pay for what he helped make

    There is no double standard there

  • Z'Q

    @ActaNonVerba71 What are you talking about? Everything on this …(comment tree??? -_- fucking youtube) is between you and me

    The one this is a reply to was in response to a comment I got from you so I really have no idea what you're talking about

  • Z'Q

    @ActaNonVerba71 You were talking about how they should have a say in whether the childs kept or not

    When their stance is make the woman give birth even if it kills mother and child or even if she has a corpse in her womb then they have an obvious disregard for the life of the mother and will force a birth no matter what

    They'd veto even in the most extreme life and death circumstances and even when births pointless

    TBC

  • Z'Q

    @ActaNonVerba71 Part 2

    Giving THOSE people prior warning would lead to them imprisoning women until the deadline for an abortions passed

    They have no problem with "pro lifers" that murder people so they would stop at nothing to keep an abortion from happening even resorting to imprisonment

    People like that shouldn't have a say because it would provoke acts of extreme violence

  • Trevor Patton

    @OneKidChanges What point? You don't have a fucking point! You say you want to "give the child a chance", but people who think JUST LIKE YOU don't give a flying FUCK about what happens to a kid once he's born! It never ceases to amaze me that the same people bitching and crying about abortion are the same fuckwitted fuckhead fucks who applaud the idea of a poor single mother having WIC or GA cut off, or denial of healthcare for not earning enough to afford it! FUCK YOU HYPOCRITE!

  • Z'Q

    @ActaNonVerba71 Youre right there isnt a militant wing of the antichoice movement that cheers and celebrates the deaths of abortion doctors

    There isnt a militant anti abortion group that vandalizes clinics and harasses patients

    Abortion doctors dont get massive amounts of death threats

    Just bringing it up is hate speech and insane demogoguery

    We should ignore how anti abortion groups radicalize unstable members hoping a few go off on killing sprees

    Im done with you

  • OhHongLe

    …Why is everyone so focus on abortion? Its really annoying. its a personal choice I don't understand why other people want to get involved in sonething they have no business with.

  • David O'Hara

    Future over population, lack of resources. The human right to choose and the lack of the right for anyone, elected official or not, to choose for them through legislation. The right time – financially, emotionally. Choice is THE option. End of discussion.

  • Trevor Patton

    @TheCarambah There you go again answering questions with the same information already contained in the questions asked. You're talking in circles -just like "Who's of first?" lmao XD Look numb nuts, the procedure obviously calls for women SEEING THE IMAGES and obviously the IMAGES ARE INFORMATION and obviously INFORMATION HELPS PEOPLE MAKE INFORMED DECISIONS. But, what is it about THIS particular information that you find to be so beneficial? Try to think critically this time.

  • gev2323

    @TheCarambah No, my scenarios are related to birth, pregnancy, and motherhood – the things that a born from a guilt trip given to a person from their doctor. They are not off topic at all. And if it's about "informing" a person, why not give them literature to read? Literature is easier to understand and more informational than a fuzzy looking picture. The ultrasound is meant to play towards a person's emotions. It's not about informing.

  • hellshade2

    too me if a women wants to have an abortion it's her body and her business. but for government to make a law mandating that a woman must go thru a medical procedure that is not in the interests of her own health is unconstitutional. are women slaves that you can force them to reauire a medical procedure they don't need? this is preposterous. i suppose next that the republitalibans will be reqquiring women wear burkhas too…

  • Trevor Patton

    @OneKidChanges Because you view yourself as some kind of philanthropist, you think it gives you a right to tell women what to do with their own bodies? I don't know what kind of self-righteous trip you're on, but not every situation falls into your cookie cutter solution machine. So you give a few people some canned goods, a few clothes, and some blankets. BFD! It doesn't do shit to change the statistical probability of those kids rising from poverty. Are you really that clueless?

  • Trevor Patton

    @TheCarambah FALSE EQUIVALENCE. X-rays for broken bones are MEDICALLY NECESSARY because how else will the doctor know how to set the bone? Transvaginal ultrasounds ARE NOT MEDICALLY NECESSARY; therefore, invasive! The fact that a broken bone patient has the option to view the x-ray of his broken bone does ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to inform his decision to have it put in a cast: he's having it treated regardless! Thanks for defeating your own argument.

  • Trevor Patton

    @TheCarambah I think I need to re-word my last point to ensure you understand it (because I think you may have a learning disorder – no offense). lol
    Transvaginal ultrasounds serve no medical purpose for abortions. They can do the abortions without them as they have done for decades! Broken bones on the other hand, MUST BE VIEWED via x-ray BY THE DOCTOR in order to know how the bone should be set. The patient's option to view the x-ray is negligible.

  • gev2323

    @JesusChristsDick The cells do belong to the parents. That's why it is their child. And that's why the child has no say what happens to it or it's body up until it is 17 – 18.

  • gev2323

    @TheCarambah See if you were sincere in your interest in them making "informed decisions" you would offer the written information first, and the stupid pointless ultrasound second, or not at all. Ultrasounds don't tell a person anything they don't already know. It's useless information. The ultrasound is there to cause emotional damage to sway the mother into doing what society wants them to do, and not what is best for them.

  • gev2323

    @HisEmptyHouse I agree. The personhood argument seems to take away personhood from the mother instead and transferring to someone who isn't even fully formed or fully alive.

  • crackerkiller89

    @Smilefriendly1 And yet her option in case a condom breaks is to keep or abort the child. What is his? Its all based on hers. A man does not have any options when it comes to children and abortions. Men who are lied to and tricked into pregnancies by devious women should have the option of an "abortion" too just as women do in cases of rape or unlucky circumstances. You should support the paper abortion whereby men can walk away from a woman who has tricked him into fatherhood.

  • Trevor Patton

    @OneKidChanges A fertilized egg is NOT a child. A zygote is NOT a child. An embryo is NOT a child. A fetus is NOT a child, although close to becoming one – it's still NOT a child. I know you think I'm a heartless S.O.B., but I just don't see the point in ruining two lives when, technically, only one is a person. If a woman feels she needs to have an abortion, the last thing she needs is a government mandated guilt trip. It should be her decision alone.

  • Trevor Patton

    @OneKid On a lighter note, I think we should recycle the dead to use as biofuel and compost. Progress is always inhibited by silly dogmatic notions and rituals. To me, it seems logical that if God exists, he, she, or it would want us to utilize the intelligence he has endowed us with to be progressive, and make use of everything at our disposal to take care of our planet – NOT OVERPOPULATE IT and drain it of it's resources, destroying ourselves in the process. Makes ジャスト sense.

  • gev2323

    @JesusChristsDick It's all within legal realms. It's the parents' DNA from the start they have free reign over what to do with it before it's born since they are legally able to make the choice. The fetus doesn't have a say as it is neither alive nor dead.

  • gev2323

    @TheCarambah My point is, your view point (the one behind this proposal) is mean spirited and shows no compassion to the woman in trouble. The woman knows what is happening, she is already informed as she knows she is pregnant, she does not need an ultrasound. The ultrasound does not inform a woman of any additional information. What you are proposing is not designed to help someone make a decision, it is designed to manipulate a person into doing what another person wants them to do.

  • Jose Martinez

    @upabittoolate VOTE OBAMA 2012!
    It is the same as tipping a RAPIST!
    Fight the morons. That would be you.
    Any children get molested in the Denver School District today?
    IDIOT FAIL!!!!

  • Lisa T

    It is a woman's body, should she be raped whether it be a stranger, acquaintance or family, she shouldn't be forced to have the child, nor should she be forced to die because she has a medical necessity to have an abortion, a tubal pregnancy is a death sentence for a woman and so is uterian scar tissue. This doesn't mean I think a woman should use abortion as birth control, but it is her right as it is her body.

  • James Stevens

    @gev2323 First, we're debating what the law should be. Don't cite the law that already exists. That's like anti-pot people saying pot is bad because it's illegal. It's a circular argument. Second, it's that "Neither dead not alive" assertion that you have to support. You can't simply keep reasserting that YOU think it's not alive, that YOU think it belongs to the parents. People are entitled to disagree with you. They think it is alive, and they think its life belongs to itself. Then what?

  • gev2323

    @TheCarambah The ultrasound doesn't provide "additional" information. If the woman knows she is pregnant there is no new useful information an ultrasound will provide.

  • CmdrTobs

    @Try2MakeSenseOrSTFU "Progress is always inhibited by silly dogmatic notions and rituals" Not always and rituals are really the point of living. Be it mediation in a temple or a Whisky and coke. I don't believe in progress(increasing energy & technology) at the expense of enjoyment. <- In fact I want progress so we can spend less time on progress.

    A scientist.

  • CmdrTobs

    @gev2323 Depends- Only if your view of personhood is being able to do whatever you like whenever you like.

    Quite a few soldiers who are AWOL are facing series chargers. I don't see people thinking that lack of choice as to whether you go back to getting shot at as the taking away personhood.

  • gev2323

    @TheCarambah And you have repeated that it does but you fail to tell me how – I have at least told you how it doesn't. You're free to disagree with me but know that the position you support is very intrusive to the private lives of others.

  • gev2323

    @CmdrTobs It does take away personhood. A solider is essentially meat to be filled with bullets. A women are starting to become meat to be filled with more people. Personhood isn't about "doing whatever you like whenever you like" it's about living the life you feel you are meant to live.

  • CmdrTobs

    @gev2323 I don't disagree, but where's your logical contention? You're essentially saying a piece of information (A Visualisation of a foetus/Zygote) should not be shown because it's too compelling and It would change there mind from there original resolve?

    I see your point in that it could cause grief if they stick by their decision to abort but you can't argue that something is so persuading it's bad! The counter argument I think is that it's not worth legislation and the ultrasound costs.

  • CmdrTobs

    @gev2323 "And that's why the child has no say what happens to it or it's body up until it is 17 – 18" – Not really. That's mere current convention and even that is filled with stipulations. Genetic material has never been used as argument for ownership of anyone. Merely supposed guardianship at birth.

  • Leo Buzalsky

    @Try2MakeSenseOrSTFU Well, it's all a sham. Whether @OneKidChanges is aware of the sham or not is another question, as they may truly be convinced of these arguments. The truth is that it is about punishing people for having sex. (Much the same goes for resistance to gay marriage.) The Xian theology is that people are sinners, but to *prove* this, bad things need to happen to people when they sin. If there is no punishment for sex (like pregnancy), they lose the argument.

  • gev2323

    @CmdrTobs I think it is, people are choosing to abort for a reason, whatever the reason is isn't our business. And it's not our business to try and change their minds if we don't know them personally. That's for family, friends, and or the father to do those people are a better judge of what's good for their loved one. But yes I agree it's not worth legislation.

  • gev2323

    @TheCarambah How is it not an invasion of privacy? You're trying to get into someone's head. It's force. And then there are transvaginal ultrasounds? It's a cold plastic rod that gets lubed up goes into someone's vagina and from my experience it's painful. So this is all to guilt someone about aborting a visibly healthy fetus? That's not an invasion of privacy? It's beyond fucked up. It's mental rape and it's stupid to make this a law. I'm offended that anyone can support it.

  • oORockMyHoleOo

    Viagra screening : 1. Why can't you get it up? 2. Is NOT getting it up affecting your partners happiness? 3. Have you tried other forms of trying to get it up?

  • CmdrTobs

    @gev2323 " I think it is, people are choosing to abort for a reason, whatever the reason is isn't our business" – Perhaps, but I can't agree with that as I am all for showing people the affects of alcohol, recreative drugs, smoking, pollution. I'd call weak source if you told me not to show a smokers tarred up lungs because it might make them reconsider.

    I'm all for the public showing of gratuitous imagery and I'll speculate that you are too except in this situation…

  • ojisama8

    @TheCarambah
    If a woman chooses RU486 (chemical abortion pill) they will not have anything inserted. This is an option often chosen by women who have been raped so that they don't have to be violated again.

  • ojisama8

    @TheCarambah
    They are already making an informed choice. If they don't want to see an image, who are you to say that they need to?

  • Trevor Patton

    @TheCarambah False Equivalence is a logical fallacy which describes a situation where there is a logical and apparent equivalence, but when IN FACT THERE IS NONE.
    The following statements are examples of False Equivalence:
    "They're both soft, cuddly pets, there's no difference between a cat and a dog."
    "We're all born naked, we're all no different from each other."
    "X-rays and trans-vaginal ultrasounds give information, trans-vaginal ultrasounds are no different than x-rays."

  • CmdrTobs

    @HisEmptyHouse I'd say about 22wks. – Seriously that whole argument is tin, you make out all opposition to abortion is from irrational faith. This is simply not the case.

    "traumatic and potentially dangerous." – I'm not sure how seriously people mean this. To be completely consistent you'd take the same view of the 1000's of military deserters. After all it's their body and battle is "traumatic and potentially dangerous."

    Some appeal to misogyny, that does not mean the view stems from it.

  • Trevor Patton

    @TheCarambah FACT: Ultrasounds are used to check for medical problems, whether they're used to check a women's reproductive health or the health of a baby she intends to give birth to. FACT: Ultrasounds for abortions are NOT medically necessary, because the woman's reproductive health isn't in question, nor is the health of the zygote, embryo, or fetus to be aborted, ie. killed, flushed, and forgotten.
    If you can't understand these 2 simple facts, that's YOUR problem not mine.

  • Trevor Patton

    @TheCarambah You are so fucking dumb it's mind boggling. How could anyone be so content for being so ignorant? It wouldn't be so bad if you would you'd stop conflating the utility of x-rays and LEGITIMATE reasons for implementing ultrasounds with medically unnecessary ultrasounds for abortions. But like most stupid fucks, instead of using your internet to actually learn something, you'd rather make an ass of yourself for all the world to see. I'm sympathetically embarrassed for you.

  • blechtic

    @mcrichierich Do they ask for a reason why in abortion forms? That would be a riot when giving a birth. And what if the reason isn't found good enough?

  • tctheunbeliever

    What's important about the males on the committee being white? Almost all the atheists that I know are white. We're not all neocons.

  • gev2323

    @JesusChristsDick I don't think it's alive or dead. I think its in the making. And people are entitled to disagree with me that's ok, but they shouldn't be making choices for other people based on their personal disagreement with something.

  • gev2323

    @CmdrTobs I am not for the public showing gratuitous imagery. It's not needed. Most of the time showing smokers a nasty lung doesn't really stop them from smoking. I know my friends who are smokers are unphased by it. But really, why does it matter to anyone what another person does with their body if it is within legal bounds? Why must we be peeking in our neighbors windows to make sure they are living by our rules?

  • CmdrTobs

    @gev2323 "I am not f..gratuitous imagery" – I am.

    "Most of the time showing smokers a nasty lung doesn't really stop them from smoking" – Not the best case for denying evidence.

    " But really, why does it matter to anyone what another person does with their body" – That's the thing, people are bothered because it's not quite only their own body. There is a foetus. By extension would you be fine with a pregnant women swigging Vodka in a park ?

    Why must we be peeking?" Cause we are a society.

  • gev2323

    @CmdrTobs I wouldn't bother the woman with vodka, it's her child, SHE should worry about Fetal Alch. Syndrome, not me. Also there was a study on teen smokers, they found they don't really worry about illness from smoking because it's in the future. I don't think peeking is a very good thing. It leads people to believe they have the whole story when they don't. We used to be like that back in the puritan colonies and many people died as a result of what other people thought about them.

  • CmdrTobs

    @gev2323 "it's her child" – It's actually not. That phrase is just a historical colloquialism. Nobody owns anyone. It's really Society's child if anyone's. Society will have to maintain that brain damaged child. You don't really believe what you said as I doubt you'd support a decision to starve that child after birth

    "… they found they don't really worry about illness…" That's goes against your point. If you think it won't work, then the proposals to show ultrasounds is fair compromise.

  • Opinunate ted

    However, there is no reason that random men with ED should have to suffer for the actions of a few ultra-conservative religious legislators.
    How about if only The men who voted for women to have invasive proceders have to get invasive stuff done to them to get theire health care needs met.

  • ProjectORION89

    Watch a video about side effects before we get a prescription for viagra (or any other drug)? As a man, I honestly have no problem with that proposal. I actually WANT to know all the potential side-effects or problems that could occur with any medication I might end up taking.

    That's logical and sensible.

  • Rin Aldrin

    Other names for the forum would be "What's wrong with your schlong", "What's the dilly with your willy" and "What's wronsin with your Johnson" to name a few.

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