What if the South Won the American Civil War?
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What if the South Won the American Civil War?


The Civil War was the most devastating conflict in America’s history. Roughly 640,000 Americans died in the four-year fighting between the Union and Confederates which eventually resulted in a Southern defeat, keeping the United States, well, United. But what if in an alternate timeline, the South won the Civil War? “What?” many ask. “What would even be the outcome had the Confederates [won]? “What would be the possible scenarios of a Southern victory?” Well, dear viewer, stop interrupting me; it’s quite rude. That is what this video is about. By looking at facts and historical events, we can get a few rough ideas about what this Confederate independence might look like. What if the South won the Civil War? I’m not here to make an argument over whether the South could have won the War. The Union definitely had a significant advantage with a higher population, more industry, and larger army. But in this alternate timeline, things go right for the South. The future in this Confederate victory would depend on two factors: the peace negotiations with the Union and the size of the conflict. Being smaller and less developed, the South would only have a successful existence if the Union simply gave up on their war effort. There were people in the North who would have went into a treaty with the independent CSA. George McClellan, a Union General-turned Presidential candidate even spoke of going into peace talks with the South, so it wouldn’t be too crazy if this did happen. In this alternate timeline, it does, effectively letting the South win the War. If the South won early into the conflict, relations wouldn’t be too damaged with the former Americans. Each nation would control themselves and trade with one another. Just as in our timeline, Northern textiles use Southern cotton to create products, which makes the South wealthy. This economic relationship could easily continue if both were separate nations, at least for a little while. One thing we need to discuss [about] an independent CSA is just how long slavery would have actually lasted. Slavery was a essential part to Southern economics and social hierarchy. It was the main reason the South seceded from the Union in the first place. The Southern aristocrats feared that the election of Lincoln would take away their main economic power. Of course they would secede to save their fortune. Slavery was even protected by the CSA Constitution because of this fact. However, with the rise of abolition in Europe and the North, perhaps boycotting of Southern cotton could have encouraged them to disband their practice. Britain could have gotten their cotton from India or Egypt anyway, so they could afford to take a moral stance. Just as South Africa was slowly forced from the international community to disband apartheid, so would the South be forced to give up its slave-based economy. Combined with increased industrialization, less economic profit, and a need to compete with Western nations, opinion could be forced to change slavery in the South. Slavery would have been disbanded only in the face of complete economic collapse, but eventually, it had to be abolished, or I sure hope it would have. With this, possible abolition enrages Southern whites as they fear competition with blacks in the job market. We could see an alternate parallel of the KKK be born inside the South but fighting against the anti-slavery Confederate government and free blacks. Even if the South disbanded slavery, that doesn’t mean they allow equal rights to blacks. With a massive black population in the CSA – almost 50% in some states – an undemocratic government would be put into place to keep black citizens from gaining political power. Much like an apartheid government in South Africa, however with a sizable white population, the government maintains support. Uprisings, protests, and rebellions could become common place against the Southern government. Politics inside the Union are drastically shifted as Lincoln and the Republican Party are remembered as the people who lost the South. Because Washington, D.C. is so close to the Confederates, and it was built as a compromise between North and South, the capital of the US is moved probably to a city such as New York or Philadelphia. Internationally, the United States and CSA would remain adversaries for the next few decades. Competition out West and in the Great Plains could even bring mini-skirmishes between militias and citizens. The CSA had ambitions to expand after the War and even during it. It sought small destabilization efforts in Mexico Had the South won the Civil War and solved its internal struggles, they would have attempted to expand into Latin America. Whether or not they could have accomplished this is up to you. Confederates did set up colonies in our timeline, though, including 20,000 Southerners who fled to Brazil. With the Industrial Revolution and rise of European colonies, the South would need to transform itself to compete with the rest of the Western world. It’s hard to say if this could happen, since Southern life was based around agriculture. The South could have industrialized, but [many aspects of Southern life must change]. If the Confederacy won, the United States would never have been the nation it is today – no suprise. The mindset of what makes us American would change as well. Before the War, people identified more with their state than nation. The conflict changed all of that. With the Union victory, America was united as one people. However, if the Southern states broke away, this American unity is now difficult. Secession is a precedent that has been proven to work. The effect of this would have larger consequences for the United States. This alternate US is less of a country and more [like] the European Union. Both American countries wouldn’t have the influence they had united in our timeline. Having to compete with a new neighbor brings international conflicts closer to home. Odds are that American influence – both Confederate and Union – never spread as far. Europe would remain the dominant force into the 21st century. There are many different scenarios for how the CSA would be had it won the Civil War. This is just one alternate timeline. There is no way to 100% predict how the world would be had events been changed but its fun to analyze the possibilities. What do you think the world would be like had the South won the Civil War? Say in the comments! Like us on Facebook and subscribe if you have not done so. This is Cody from the AlternateHistoryHub. Outro Music: HolFix – Mystery

100 Comments

  • MJ 12

    Some of this isn’t the truth some of this is total out right lie but we would’ve been better off if the southside of one

  • Stevan Edwards

    A lesson of history for the ignorant

    MYTH – The War of 1861 – 1865 was waged by slavery.

    FACT – terribly false. The North fought the war for money. Clear and simple. When the South began Secession, Lincoln was asked, "Why not let the South go in peace?" To which he replied, "I can not let them go. Who would pay for the government?" Feeling the total financial ruin of the North, Lincoln fought a war in the south. The south fought the war to repel the aggression and invasion of the north.

    MYTH – Only Southerners owned slaves.

    FACT – Entirely false. Many civilians from the north owned slaves. Before, during and even after the Northern Assault War.

    Surprisingly, for many individuals with history deficiencies, most Union generals and officials had slaves to serve them! William T. Sherman had many slaves who served him well after the end of the war and only released them in 1865.

    The US also had several slaves, who were only released after the 13th amendment in December 1865. When asked why he had not freed his slaves before, Grant stated that "good help is so hard to find nowadays."

    Contrariwise, Confederate General Robert E. Lee freed his slaves (which he never bought – they were inherited) in 1862 !!! Lee freed his slaves several years before the end of the war and considerably earlier than his northern counterparts. And during the ferocious first days of the war, when the south was destroying the Yankee armies!

    Finally, and more importantly, why did the Northern States prohibit slavery AFTER the war is over? Lincoln's so-called "Emancipation Proclamation" only gave freedom to the southern slaves! NOT in the north! This becksniffery even went so far as to find the state of Delaware rejecting the 13th Amendment in December 1865 and did not ratify it (13th Amendment / releases the slaves) until 1901!

    MYTH – The Confederate battle flag was used on slave ships.

    FACT – None of the Confederate or Southern Nation flags flew over a slave ship. Neither did the South own or operate slave ships. The English, the Dutch, and the Portuguese brought slaves to this country, not to the southern nation.

    BUT, even more monumental, it is also very important to know and understand that the Union, Yankee, and Union ships brought slaves to America! These ships were from the states of New England and their hypocrisy is atrocious.

    These feds were the ones who ended up crying louder about slavery. But without their ships, many of the slaves would never have gotten here. They made numerous fortunes in the delivery of slaves, as well as products made from raw materials such as cotton and tobacco in the south.

    This is the problem with the history of the Yankees. The story is overwhelmingly portrayed incorrectly by most federal and Yankee books and media.

    MYTH – The Confederate Battle Flag represented the Southern Nation.

    FACT – Not true. While the flag of the Battle of the South was taken to battle, the South Nation had 3 different national flags during the course of the war.

    The first national flag was changed due to a similarity of the US flag.

    The second national flag was later modified due to the resemblance to a flag of truce.

    The third national flag was the adopted flag of the Confederation.

    The Confederate Battle Flag was never a national flag of the Confederacy. He was taken into battle by various armies, such as the Northern Army of Virginia and the Army of Tennessee. It was also used as a Naval Jack by the Confederate Navy.

    MYTH – The Confederate battle flag is known as "Stars and Bars".

    FACT – A common misconception. The First National Confederate Flag is correctly known as "Stars and Bars". The Confederate battle flag is known as the "Southern Cross".

    MYTH – The Confederate Battle Flag represents racism today.

    FACT – The Confederate Battle Flag today is at the center of much controversy and turmoil in several states. The cry to bring down this flag is unjustified. It is very important to keep in mind that the Confederate Battle Flag was simply that. A battle flag. It was never even a national flag, so how could a slave nation have flown over or represented slavery or racism? This myth is continued by lack of education and ignorance. Those who boast the Confederate Battle Flag are very confused about the story and have jumped in a movement with loose wheels.

    MYTH – The United States flag represented freedom.

    FACT – No chance

  • Stevan Edwards

    A lesson of history for the ignorant

    MYTH – The War of 1861 – 1865 was waged by slavery.

    FACT – terribly false. The North fought the war for money. Clear and simple. When the South began Secession, Lincoln was asked, "Why not let the South go in peace?" To which he replied, "I can not let them go. Who would pay for the government?" Feeling the total financial ruin of the North, Lincoln fought a war in the south. The south fought the war to repel the aggression and invasion of the north.

    MYTH – Only Southerners owned slaves.

    FACT – Entirely false. Many civilians from the north owned slaves. Before, during and even after the Northern Assault War.

    Surprisingly, for many individuals with history deficiencies, most Union generals and officials had slaves to serve them! William T. Sherman had many slaves who served him well after the end of the war and only released them in 1865.

    The US also had several slaves, who were only released after the 13th amendment in December 1865. When asked why he had not freed his slaves before, Grant stated that "good help is so hard to find nowadays."

    Contrariwise, Confederate General Robert E. Lee freed his slaves (which he never bought – they were inherited) in 1862 !!! Lee freed his slaves several years before the end of the war and considerably earlier than his northern counterparts. And during the ferocious first days of the war, when the south was destroying the Yankee armies!

    Finally, and more importantly, why did the Northern States prohibit slavery AFTER the war is over? Lincoln's so-called "Emancipation Proclamation" only gave freedom to the southern slaves! NOT in the north! This becksniffery even went so far as to find the state of Delaware rejecting the 13th Amendment in December 1865 and did not ratify it (13th Amendment / releases the slaves) until 1901!

    MYTH – The Confederate battle flag was used on slave ships.

    FACT – None of the Confederate or Southern Nation flags flew over a slave ship. Neither did the South own or operate slave ships. The English, the Dutch, and the Portuguese brought slaves to this country, not to the southern nation.

    BUT, even more monumental, it is also very important to know and understand that the Union, Yankee, and Union ships brought slaves to America! These ships were from the states of New England and their hypocrisy is atrocious.

    These feds were the ones who ended up crying louder about slavery. But without their ships, many of the slaves would never have gotten here. They made numerous fortunes in the delivery of slaves, as well as products made from raw materials such as cotton and tobacco in the south.

    This is the problem with the history of the Yankees. The story is overwhelmingly portrayed incorrectly by most federal and Yankee books and media.

    MYTH – The Confederate Battle Flag represented the Southern Nation.

    FACT – Not true. While the flag of the Battle of the South was taken to battle, the South Nation had 3 different national flags during the course of the war.

    The first national flag was changed due to a similarity of the US flag.

    The second national flag was later modified due to the resemblance to a flag of truce.

    The third national flag was the adopted flag of the Confederation.

    The Confederate Battle Flag was never a national flag of the Confederacy. He was taken into battle by various armies, such as the Northern Army of Virginia and the Army of Tennessee. It was also used as a Naval Jack by the Confederate Navy.

    MYTH – The Confederate battle flag is known as "Stars and Bars".

    FACT – A common misconception. The First National Confederate Flag is correctly known as "Stars and Bars". The Confederate battle flag is known as the "Southern Cross".

    MYTH – The Confederate Battle Flag represents racism today.

    FACT – The Confederate Battle Flag today is at the center of much controversy and turmoil in several states. The cry to bring down this flag is unjustified. It is very important to keep in mind that the Confederate Battle Flag was simply that. A battle flag. It was never even a national flag, so how could a slave nation have flown over or represented slavery or racism? This myth is continued by lack of education and ignorance. Those who boast the Confederate Battle Flag are very confused about the story and have jumped in a movement with loose wheels.

    MYTH – The United States flag represented freedom.

    FACT – No chance

  • Ninurta Thrice Majestic

    Slavery is all you hear about, you never here about the high taxes forced on the south. This guy is a retard from university.

  • IvanGames101

    If they would have won. 99% sure slavery would not exist today. But I do think jim crow laws would in the south

  • Evin Chester

    Sadly, while they mean well…I could if I wanted to rip this all apart…and the first place I'd state would be the US Congressional Record..but …that is history. The "popular" view wins…not..the truth. The Civil War is very complex and how we got to that point is just as complex. In 1858 if you asked your congressmen if the country was going to tear itself in two, they would have said, "No"…Two year later it was a different world.

  • Landsraad

    First of all slavery will never end. I'm not talking about Black slavery. That's dumb. Every race has been enslaved. Eventually, the government's of the world will each financially collapse and then the mega corporations will take over.
    Everyone will become an indentured servant, slave. You will be billed for every resource you've taken since birth then spend a lifetime fighting interest you can't beat. Not every dystopian future is zombies and fire and ice. The more likely is just plain dull indentured servitude.

  • spence

    Here's an important thing you're forgetting here: The plan (for both the north and the south) was ALWAYS to deport blacks back to africa after ending slavery. Look into the American Colonization Society, freed blacks were to be deported to liberia.

  • chanse sievert

    itd be pretty nice if you would use factual information. the south had already started the end of slavery before the end of the war of northern aggression. the south integrated barracks unlike the tyrannical north. we didnt fear lincon for his 'ban on slavery' even though he was racist himself, we feared him because of the fact that he was trying to cripple the southern economy with unlawful taxes on the south and giving us no say so in American political decisions. stop being brainwashed.

  • Tyler Riggan

    Hold on now before the civil war Southern people were Americans and even while the civil war was raging you could say they were American CSA stands for Confederate States of AMERICA. The civil war wasn't just all about slavery you know. just because someone has a different opinion doesn't make them a bad person all round. The north did some bad things too.like Sherman's march to the sea were he burned down many homes and farms of which many non slave owners lived. Most Southern people couldn't even afford a slave. The only people who could afford slaves were plantation owners and very wealthy farmers. But the most screwed up part of it is that everyone wants to blame the white man for owning slaves but probably around 85% of Confederate solders were not even slave owners and just fighting to keep there land, family, rights and freedom safe . There was many many freed black people who went and purchased land,slaves and crops and started a plantation. I know what you guys are going to say "They purchased the slaves to let them free" but no they put them to work just like like white plantation owners. And we all need to keep in mind that in the South there wasn't many wealthy people at all and that means only a small percentage of southern people owned slaves. Sure slavery was a very bad thing and and i'm glad the Union won but what i'm not glad about is the men who fought to protect there rights.

  • Christopher Cook

    It's interesting to think about how this would have affected Mormon colonies. (e.g. Utah, Wyoming and half of Idaho). These were settled before the civil war and were essentially their own country until the US reigned them in in the late 1800's by striking down polygamy. It's possible that polygamy would have never been abolished if Mormons were able to leverage the two's competing interests to make a deal with one that allowed them to continue the practice.

  • Georgi Slavov

    On the slavery issue:there was a plan to have blacks shipped back to Africa ,which were stopped by the outbreak of the civ. war.Some nevertheless were transported there and founded their own countries.But the majority had to stay bc of the naval blockade.Ironicly the war prevented them to be liberated bc they continued to be discriminated even with the North winning.Anyway the supposed tensions in the South would not have happened – industrialisation would make slavery unnecessary
    in a war winning CSA and since blacks would no longer be needed as a slave working force they would have been allowed to migrate to the very tolerant North where every body was waiting for them.

  • Stephen Scott

    While it may be interesting to discuss “what if the CSA had won,” there is no way they could have. No way. How can any American even fathom the thought? The racist ideals that the South worshipped as a necessity of their agricultural based economy is nothing but pure hate and evil. Slavery is America’s greatest sin ( along with the treatment of the Indians). The Union was far to strong.

  • Sherri Molnar

    Even if the South would it worm the union would have had other countries to boycott them eventually the South would be a third world country maybe France would break the blockade but most countries would boycott the South like they did South Africa but right now in South Africa whites are second-class citizens

  • robert moore

    Watch a video on the dreams of a bunch of white supremacists who represent a minority of the country winning.
    And besides the Trump ad, there was a thing on an alternate Civil War ending.

  • Doug Bevins

    If the Confederacy had won the Civil War, slavery would be the law of the land today. The Confederate traitors lost the war and still imposed Jim Crow apartheid on African Americans by terror–night raids and lynchings. I was an adult before Jim Crow was taken down in America, that is how long Jim Crow lasted………..and the Confederates lost the war.

    If the Confederates had won the war, the US's history would have been that of the Balkans, with two antithetical American nations fighting over the territories until one side or the other won them all. More likely, Lincoln was right: the whole of what is now America would have either become all of one thing or the other.

    If the Confederates had won the war, the principle that a rule of law and a peaceful political system should resolve political questions would have been displaced by the principle that might makes right and taking up weapons and fighting to resolve political issues would be the norm.

    If the Confederates had won the war, white supremacy would be enshrined at the principle value for organizing law and society.

    If the Confederates had won the war, we'd all be white trash instead of just scores of millions of us.

  • Scooterbug1234

    The South didn’t secede from the Union just because of Slavery, in fact from a slaver owner’s perspective it would make more sense for them to stay in because the slave laws passed by Congress in 1790-1850 that would be enforced by the A. Lincoln.

    He even stated in his inaugural speech that he “ I have no purpose, directly or indirectly, interfere with the institution of slavery where it exists, I believe I have no lawful right to do so and have no inclination to do so.”

    Even at the time new technology would be putting slaves out of commission with the cotton-gin being able to produce 10 times as much Cotten as a slave.

    It was more of an economical problem that drew the South to secede.
    With tariffs on the Souther States dating back to the 1820’s. For it was unconstitutional to tariff the anyone in the Union. Souther States were paying up to approximately 80 percent of the nations tariffs at the time and there was no corporate or personal income tax.

    The civil war wasn’t about slavery but the loss of millions in tax revenue.
    Hell it wasn’t even a civil war, it was a revolutionary war, a war for independence from the Union.

    Over all after all that I must say that slavery was still an important matter, and with the following emancipation proclamation thus making slavery against the law it was a decision that impacted The United States in a wonderful way, freeing people that didn’t deserve to be enslaved.

  • luyi xie

    Then only 50 years later CSA sided with the conservative central alliance, as Entente cannot accept a highly segregated military regime CSA, however USA joined Entente, 4-5 Millions died in the process but USA rekt CSA in total war. Treaty of Versailles finally sought the devastating reunification of the Americas

  • Spider-Flash

    Though the US is far better off than it would be split, it is always important that both sides had their faults.
    1.) Lincoln acted much like a dictator throughout the war and committed crimes.
    2.) Until the war began, the North had consistently broken promises they gave the South.
    3.) Abe didn't think blacks were equal either; in fact he planned to send them to Africa after the war.
    4.) Union troops raped Southern women, stole things from people's houses, and ate and burned their food.

  • Brandon Cooney

    LINCOLN’S WAR CRIMES

    1. Lincoln waged a war that cost the lives of 620,000 Americans. Including the murder of 50,000 innocent Southern civilians.

    2. He arrested several thousand Marylanders suspected of Southern sympathies, including 30 members of the State legislature, a US Congressman representing Maryland, the mayor and police commissioner of Baltimore, and most of the Baltimore city council. These political detainees were imprisoned in Fort McHenry and Point Lookout without trial, in many cases, for several years.

    3. He suspended the writ of habeas corpus without the consent of Congress (as required by the Constitution).

    4. He illegally shut down and confiscated the printing presses of dozens of newspapers that had spoken out against him.

    5. He re-instated and summarily promoted an Army officer who had been court martialed and cashiered by the US Army for war crimes.

    6. He even had an arrest warrant issued for the Chief Justice of the US Supreme Court because said justice refused to back his illegal actions.

    7. Chief Justice Roger B Taney ruled that Lincolns actions were illegal, criminal and unconstitutional.

    8. He invaded the South without the consent of Congress as required by the Constitution.

    9. He blockaded Southern ports without a declaration of war, as required by the Constitution.

    10. He imprisoned without trial, hundreds of newspaper editors and owners and censored all newspaper and telegraph communication.

    11. He created two new states without the consent of the citizens of those states in order to artificially inflate the Republican Partys electoral vote.

    12. He ordered Federal troops to interfere with Northern elections to assure his Parties victories.

    13. He confiscated private property, including firearms, in violation of the Second Amendment; and effectively gutted the Tenth and Ninth Amendments as well.

    14. He had his Generals attack US cities full of women and children and burn them to the ground.

  • George Vreeland Hill

    I grew up in the North, but when you look at the country today, well, we would be better off if the South had won.

  • Tucker Norwood

    I don’t know about the North being overpowered the confederates just had to defend and persist there were multiple times especially in the beginning of the war where the north may have tried to sue for peace

  • Melvina Smith

    I'm glad the song applause because if they hadn't we still be fighting the black would still be fighting and it's been more catastrophic than it was then

  • C0D

    What would have happened would be that the United States and the Confederate States would sign peace, but only for a couple of years, for then the United States would declare war once again, but this time with prepared help of Britain and other European anti-slavery countries.

  • Mordred C

    Wait wait wait
    Undemocratic government? Did you just refer to the CSA as undemocratic? Their mother fucking confederates, a confederacy by its own standards has a very weak centralized government, also they held elections and shit as a Presidential republic

  • Po Diddly

    Your facts are wrong, the south wanted independence due to a tax bill Lincoln passed taxing the south more than the north, slavery was not in anyway a reason for the war. In fact the first slave owners in America where Black men from Africa who started the slave trade to America. Read a book..

  • eeM Gee

    Those saying that slavery had nothing to do with the civil war or that it played a minor role rather than anything else are complete fools. The main argument by this cohort is that it was about states rights being trampled on and a federal government that was out of control. Yeah, simply put, they were going to essentially outlaw slavery and this didn't sit well with the lazy southerners that had grown accustomed to having the slaves do there backbreaking work. These idiots always say something like, 'read a history book', or 'you don't know anything about history'…. yeah, those are all quite rich and meaningful comments.

  • eeM Gee

    Also, on another note and speaking entirely hypothetically; If the south won and indeed was its own country, at least the partisan politics wouldn't exist or rather the severity wouldn't be what they are today. The CSA could have Donald Trump for their president and spare us all from the scourge and the nastiness. Unfortunately the CSA would not have lasted very long unless they managed to adopt a more industrial economy which would've involved forward thinking (something that may have proved challenging for the filthy, unbathed, toothless southerners).

  • Drecq

    Was going good until the content creator decided to interject false information. The Civil War was not based on Slavery, it was actually based on the separation of power between the growing Federalist Government and the Rights of the States. Slavery was only one part of the Civil War, but many Generals including Robert E Lee stated that the freeing of the slaves would benefit the South overall maybe not at first but in the long run. Jefferson Davis even stated that should the CSA gain victory that before he was removed from the Presidency of the CSA he would have abolished Slavery. Also, there is a 3rd Condition that wasn't mentioned that could have led to a Southern Victory. The CSA government was in talks with other foreign powers including Germany and France to obtain assistance through the use of better weapons, munitions, medical supplies, and other supplies to assist them in their war against the Union. They also were asking for Troop assistance from Germany which believed in the Economic power of the Southern States and wanted access to its vast Farming products. Had the Germans sent supplies and troops to assist the CSA they would have gained the upper hand and could have won the war.

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