Your Legislators: Legacy Amendment Issues (March 6, 2014)
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Your Legislators: Legacy Amendment Issues (March 6, 2014)


THE ENVIRONMENTAL COMMITTEE,
ENERGY COMMITTEE AND WAYS AND   ENERGY COMMITTEE AND WAYS AND
MEANS.   MEANS.
>>I THINK WE’RE GOING TO  >>I THINK WE’RE GOING TO
START, IF YOU DON’T MIND,   START, IF YOU DON’T MIND,
REPRESENTATIVE HARKBARTH,   REPRESENTATIVE HARKBARTH,
THAT WAS WHETHER OR NOT THE   THAT WAS WHETHER OR NOT THE
LEGISLATURE IS GOING TO BE   LEGISLATURE IS GOING TO BE
DEALING WITH ANY LEGACY   DEALING WITH ANY LEGACY
AMENDMENT ISSUES.   AMENDMENT ISSUES.
THERE WERE SOME CONCERNS   THERE WERE SOME CONCERNS
ABOUT THE WAY THE COMMITTEE   ABOUT THE WAY THE COMMITTEE
IS ORGANIZED, MAYBE STATUTORY   IS ORGANIZED, MAYBE STATUTORY
ISSUES, AND WE DIDN’T VA   ISSUES, AND WE DIDN’T VA
CHANCE TO GET TO THAT AND I   CHANCE TO GET TO THAT AND I
KNOW YOU HAD INTEREST IN   KNOW YOU HAD INTEREST IN
THOSE TOPICS.   THOSE TOPICS.
LET’S START WITH YOU AND TELL   LET’S START WITH YOU AND TELL
ME WHAT YOU THINK ABOUT THAT.   ME WHAT YOU THINK ABOUT THAT.
>>I AM ON THE ENVIRONMENTAL,  >>I AM ON THE ENVIRONMENTAL,
NATURAL RESOURCES POLICY   NATURAL RESOURCES POLICY
COMMITTEE AND FINANCE   COMMITTEE AND FINANCE
COMMITTEE BUT NOT ON THE   COMMITTEE BUT NOT ON THE
LEGACY COMMITTEE.   LEGACY COMMITTEE.
HOWEVER, WE DID HAVE A   HOWEVER, WE DID HAVE A
HEARING ON THE LEGACY BILL   HEARING ON THE LEGACY BILL
JUST THE OTHER DAY.   JUST THE OTHER DAY.
AND REPRESENTATIVE HANSON IS   AND REPRESENTATIVE HANSON IS
CARRYING THE BILL AND I’M   CARRYING THE BILL AND I’M
SURE IT’S GOING TO MOVE   SURE IT’S GOING TO MOVE
THROUGH THE HOUSE AND THROUGH   THROUGH THE HOUSE AND THROUGH
THE SENATE AND IT’S NOT GOING   THE SENATE AND IT’S NOT GOING
TO BE QUITE AS CONTENTIOUS AS   TO BE QUITE AS CONTENTIOUS AS
IT WAS LAST YEAR.   IT WAS LAST YEAR.
I THINK THEY’VE WORKED OUT   I THINK THEY’VE WORKED OUT
SOME DEALS WITH HOW THE   SOME DEALS WITH HOW THE
FUNDING WORKS AND HOW SOME OF   FUNDING WORKS AND HOW SOME OF
THAT FUNDING IS GOING TO   THAT FUNDING IS GOING TO
HAPPEN, PARTICULARLY IN THE   HAPPEN, PARTICULARLY IN THE
METRO AREA WITH METRO PARKS.   METRO AREA WITH METRO PARKS.
I THINK THAT WAS THE   I THINK THAT WAS THE
CONTENTIOUSi] ISSUE LAST TIME.   CONTENTIOUSi] ISSUE LAST TIME.
BUT THERE ARE SOME   BUT THERE ARE SOME
CONTROVERSIAL ISSUES IN THAT   CONTROVERSIAL ISSUES IN THAT
BILL, AND ONE OF THE   BILL, AND ONE OF THE
CONTROVERSIAL ISSUES WAS THAT   CONTROVERSIAL ISSUES WAS THAT
THEY ARE TAKING SOME MONEY   THEY ARE TAKING SOME MONEY
AND GIVING IT TO THE DNR,   AND GIVING IT TO THE DNR,
THEN SAYING THAT TO THE DNR,   THEN SAYING THAT TO THE DNR,
GIVE THIS MONEY TO THE   GIVE THIS MONEY TO THE
FONDOLYTE TRIBE AND THEY ARE   FONDOLYTE TRIBE AND THEY ARE
GOING TO PURCHASE LAND NEAR   GOING TO PURCHASE LAND NEAR
THEIR RESERVATION AND PUT   THEIR RESERVATION AND PUT
THAT INTO THEIR RESERVATION.   THAT INTO THEIR RESERVATION.
SO THAT IS A CONTENTIOUS   SO THAT IS A CONTENTIOUS
ISSUE THAT I THINK THAT WE   ISSUE THAT I THINK THAT WE
MIGHT HEAR ABOUT MAYBE ON THE   MIGHT HEAR ABOUT MAYBE ON THE
HOUSE FLOOR OR IN THE SENATE,   HOUSE FLOOR OR IN THE SENATE,
AS WELL.   AS WELL.
I HAD AN AMENDMENT TO TAKE IT   I HAD AN AMENDMENT TO TAKE IT
OUT OF THE BILL, AND I ALSO   OUT OF THE BILL, AND I ALSO
HAD AN AMENDMENT THAT WOULD   HAD AN AMENDMENT THAT WOULD
SAY WE’RE GOING TO LET THE —   SAY WE’RE GOING TO LET THE —
WE’RE GOING TO BUY THE LAND   WE’RE GOING TO BUY THE LAND
WITH THE MONEY, BUT LET’S   WITH THE MONEY, BUT LET’S
TURN IT INTO A WMA.   TURN IT INTO A WMA.
IF THE PURPOSE OF THE LEGACY   IF THE PURPOSE OF THE LEGACY
MONEY IS TO PRESERVE AND   MONEY IS TO PRESERVE AND
PROTECT AND ENHANCE, THEN   PROTECT AND ENHANCE, THEN
LET’S DO THAT, IF THAT LAND   LET’S DO THAT, IF THAT LAND
JUSTIFIABLE FOR KEEPING AND   JUSTIFIABLE FOR KEEPING AND
ENHANCING AND PROTECTING.   ENHANCING AND PROTECTING.
LET’S DO IT BUT DO IT AS A   LET’S DO IT BUT DO IT AS A
WMA.   WMA.
I DON’T THINK THAT IT WAS   I DON’T THINK THAT IT WAS
EVER MEANT BY THE VOTERS FOR   EVER MEANT BY THE VOTERS FOR
THAT MONEY TO GO TO A   THAT MONEY TO GO TO A
SEPARATE SOVEREIGN NATION.   SEPARATE SOVEREIGN NATION.
SO WE’LL GET MORE DEBATE.   SO WE’LL GET MORE DEBATE.
>>REPRESENTATIVE DAHMS?  >>REPRESENTATIVE DAHMS?
>>I DON’T SIT ON THE  >>I DON’T SIT ON THE
ENVIRONMENTAL COMMITTEE THIS   ENVIRONMENTAL COMMITTEE THIS
YEAR, AND I HAVE NOT BEEN ON   YEAR, AND I HAVE NOT BEEN ON
THE LEGACY, POLICY OR FINANCE   THE LEGACY, POLICY OR FINANCE
LEGACY COMMITTEE, SO I   LEGACY COMMITTEE, SO I
HAVEN’T SEEN THE BILL THAT’S   HAVEN’T SEEN THE BILL THAT’S
COMING FORWARD THIS YEAR, BUT   COMING FORWARD THIS YEAR, BUT
IN THE PAST, THE PARKS HAS   IN THE PAST, THE PARKS HAS
BEEN A VERY CONTENTIOUS   BEEN A VERY CONTENTIOUS
ISSUE.   ISSUE.
HOPEFULLY WE GOT THAT   HOPEFULLY WE GOT THAT
PROBABLY PUT TO BED LAST YEAR   PROBABLY PUT TO BED LAST YEAR
AND I HOPE THAT THAT DOESN’T   AND I HOPE THAT THAT DOESN’T
CONTINUE TO BE AN ISSUE, BUT   CONTINUE TO BE AN ISSUE, BUT
THAT’S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT   THAT’S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT
DOES SEEM TO BE   DOES SEEM TO BE
CONTROVERSIAL.   CONTROVERSIAL.
AS FAR AS THE STRUCTURE OF   AS FAR AS THE STRUCTURE OF
THE COMMITTEE, I’M NOT AWARE   THE COMMITTEE, I’M NOT AWARE
OF ANY CHANGES THAT ARE BEING   OF ANY CHANGES THAT ARE BEING
MADE THERE, BUT LIKE I SAY,   MADE THERE, BUT LIKE I SAY,
I’M NOT ON THE INNER CIRCLE   I’M NOT ON THE INNER CIRCLE
OF THOSE COMMITTEES SO IF   OF THOSE COMMITTEES SO IF
THERE ARE CHANGES, WE’LL FIND   THERE ARE CHANGES, WE’LL FIND
OUT ABOUT THEM WHEN THEY GET   OUT ABOUT THEM WHEN THEY GET
TO THE SENATE FLOOR.   TO THE SENATE FLOOR.
>>SENATOR FRANZ THEN.  >>SENATOR FRANZ THEN.
>>I DON’T SERVE ON THOSE  >>I DON’T SERVE ON THOSE
POLICES, I SERVE ON THE   POLICES, I SERVE ON THE
EDUCATION, HEALTH AND HUMAN   EDUCATION, HEALTH AND HUMAN
SERVICES BUT THE DEBATE HAS   SERVICES BUT THE DEBATE HAS
BEEN AROUND THE ISSUE OF PARK   BEEN AROUND THE ISSUE OF PARK
AND THE METRO VERSUS RURAL   AND THE METRO VERSUS RURAL
MINNESOTA.   MINNESOTA.
I WISH IT WAS MORE ABOUT WHAT   I WISH IT WAS MORE ABOUT WHAT
WE NEED TO DO ABOUT THE STATE   WE NEED TO DO ABOUT THE STATE
AS A WHOLE, VERSUS RURAL   AS A WHOLE, VERSUS RURAL
VERSUS METRO.   VERSUS METRO.
IT SEEMS TO BE A THEME.   IT SEEMS TO BE A THEME.
BUT THAT WAS AN ISSUE OF   BUT THAT WAS AN ISSUE OF
CONTENTION, ALSO, WHAT WE   CONTENTION, ALSO, WHAT WE
WITH FUNDING FOR POTENTIALLY   WITH FUNDING FOR POTENTIALLY
ZIN VADING SPECIES.   ZIN VADING SPECIES.
I REMEMBER THAT WAS PART OF   I REMEMBER THAT WAS PART OF
THE INFORMATION.   THE INFORMATION.
>> I WAS ON THE PART WITH  >> I WAS ON THE PART WITH
REPRESENTATIVE HARKBARTH AND   REPRESENTATIVE HARKBARTH AND
HIS CONCERNS ABOUT THE BILL.   HIS CONCERNS ABOUT THE BILL.
I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS HAD   I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS HAD
TO DO WITH THE DECISION   TO DO WITH THE DECISION
MAKING PROCESS AND WHETHER OR   MAKING PROCESS AND WHETHER OR
NOT THE LEGISLATURE SHOULD   NOT THE LEGISLATURE SHOULD
JUST ADOPT WHAT SUGGESTIONS   JUST ADOPT WHAT SUGGESTIONS
WERE OR IF THEY SHOULD WEIGH   WERE OR IF THEY SHOULD WEIGH
IN ON WHAT SOME OF THEM ARE   IN ON WHAT SOME OF THEM ARE
AND I THINK THAT’S WHERE SOME   AND I THINK THAT’S WHERE SOME
OF THE DISAGREEMENT HAPPENED   OF THE DISAGREEMENT HAPPENED
LAST TIME.   LAST TIME.
I THINK THE FONDELAC ISSUE   I THINK THE FONDELAC ISSUE
WAS IN THE BILL LAST TIME BUT   WAS IN THE BILL LAST TIME BUT
CAME OUT IN THE END.   CAME OUT IN THE END.
YOU KNOW, I THINK THERE ARE   YOU KNOW, I THINK THERE ARE
DIFFERENT WAYS OF LOOKING AT   DIFFERENT WAYS OF LOOKING AT
THIS PARTICULAR ISSUE.   THIS PARTICULAR ISSUE.
I KNOW THAT — I KNOW   I KNOW THAT — I KNOW
REPRESENTATIVE HARKBARTH HAS   REPRESENTATIVE HARKBARTH HAS
AN OPINION ABOUT IT.   AN OPINION ABOUT IT.
I THINK EVEN THOUGH WE THINK   I THINK EVEN THOUGH WE THINK
OF THE NATIVE FOLKS AS A   OF THE NATIVE FOLKS AS A
SOVEREIGN NATION, WE ALSO   SOVEREIGN NATION, WE ALSO
THINK OF THEM AS MINNESOTANS   THINK OF THEM AS MINNESOTANS
AND AMERICANS, AND THEY HAVE   AND AMERICANS, AND THEY HAVE
SERVED, AND I THINK THAT AS A   SERVED, AND I THINK THAT AS A
PART OF WANTING TO PRESERVE   PART OF WANTING TO PRESERVE
LAND IN MINNESOTA, IT’S NOT   LAND IN MINNESOTA, IT’S NOT
NECESSARILY OUT OF THE   NECESSARILY OUT OF THE
QUESTION TO THINK WE SHOULD   QUESTION TO THINK WE SHOULD
ASSIST THEM IN PRESERVING   ASSIST THEM IN PRESERVING
THAT LAND AS WELL.   THAT LAND AS WELL.
SO I DON’T SHARE THE SAME   SO I DON’T SHARE THE SAME
CONCERNS THAT REPRESENTATIVE   CONCERNS THAT REPRESENTATIVE
HARKBARTH DOES BUT I CAN HEAR   HARKBARTH DOES BUT I CAN HEAR
HIS PERSPECTIVE.   HIS PERSPECTIVE.
>>I’D JUST LIKE TO ADD TO  >>I’D JUST LIKE TO ADD TO
THAT.   THAT.
PART OF THIS WHOLE THING   PART OF THIS WHOLE THING
ABOUT THE LEGACY MONEY IS   ABOUT THE LEGACY MONEY IS
THAT THE LAND IS SUPPOSED TO   THAT THE LAND IS SUPPOSED TO
BE OPEN FOR HUNDRED   BE OPEN FOR HUNDRED
DOLLARSING — HUNTING AND   DOLLARSING — HUNTING AND
FISHING AND THAT’S NOT UP FOR   FISHING AND THAT’S NOT UP FOR
DEBATE, THAT’S JUST THE WAY   DEBATE, THAT’S JUST THE WAY
IT’S SUPPOSED TO BE, SO   IT’S SUPPOSED TO BE, SO
THERE’S CONCERN ONCE THIS IS   THERE’S CONCERN ONCE THIS IS
TURNED OVER TO THE FONDELAC   TURNED OVER TO THE FONDELAC
TRIBE, THAT HUNTING AND   TRIBE, THAT HUNTING AND
FISHING WILL BE ABLE TO   FISHING WILL BE ABLE TO
CONTINUE ON THAT PROPERTY,   CONTINUE ON THAT PROPERTY,
APP THAT’S NOT — AND THAT’S   APP THAT’S NOT — AND THAT’S
NOT NECESSARILY THE CASE.   NOT NECESSARILY THE CASE.
THERE IS AN AGREEMENT AS TO   THERE IS AN AGREEMENT AS TO
WHAT THEY’VE COME TO, BUT   WHAT THEY’VE COME TO, BUT
THEY DON’T HAVE TO ABIDE BY   THEY DON’T HAVE TO ABIDE BY
IT.   IT.
THEY’RE A SEPARATE NATION,   THEY’RE A SEPARATE NATION,
THEY DON’T HAVE TO ABIDE BY   THEY DON’T HAVE TO ABIDE BY
AN AGREEMENT WE MADE WITH   AN AGREEMENT WE MADE WITH
THEM THAT YES, THEY ARE GOING   THEM THAT YES, THEY ARE GOING
TO GET PEOPLE HUNT AND FISH   TO GET PEOPLE HUNT AND FISH
ON THE PROPERTY, BUT THAT’S   ON THE PROPERTY, BUT THAT’S
JUST, YOU KNOW, A CONTRACT   JUST, YOU KNOW, A CONTRACT
THAT THEY HAVE THAT THEY  

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